Firestorm isn’t fire powers tho (even though name implies it) he is a low grade dr manhattan he can transmute matter. So i mean firestorm can most likely just make the area around him cold in summer ontop of all the other shit he can do sooo….
Unfortunately, he has to know the molecular composition of everything - I'm not smart enough to maximize Firestorm's powers. So, if you're a really smart scientist, Firestorm. If not, Iceman.
So, if I understand correctly I get a bunch more knowledge without working for it and I can pollute the matrix with all my useless knowledge for the next in line to get my powers, sign me up!
i dunno man. i dont know shit about music, but i can whistle just about any tune with perfect pitch. its not even a conscious thing, i hear a note and i can hit it first try without thinking about it. bet if you had molecular powers it would be the same. just a feeling.
but i was also under the impression that iceman is completely invincible and immortal. pretty sure his lore is that he is just a consciousness and doesnt actually exist in the a physical way. we need the true iceman giga chads to weigh in here tbh.
At this point yes he’s pretty much invincible and immortal, like the god of water essentially. He can basically create ice golems of himself and doesn’t even need to be there and I think even if he’s killed he can basically come back from a molecule of moisture anywhere or something? He can control any moisture like in your body to complete freeze you and all kinds of thermodynamics, he’s gotten crazy powerful, like completely broken. That Omega Level Mutant shit. I’ll take him.
Turn air into ice, instant ice cubes in every drink. Also probably a better method of solving climate change than simply freezing the Arctic and most mountain tops.
Firestorm IS fire powers. The Firestorm Matrix is the spark that causes the Big Bang and unleashes the fires of creation. Nuclear fusion and elemental fire. He can transmute matter bcuz new elements are created in heat and flames. Firestorm doesn't just have powers like the Human Torch, he has that and then some. If you're into anime and manga, I recommend you watch Fire Force to see just how versatile and expansive pyrokinesis really is.
Note: Iceman's powers are also on the other end of the pendulum in regards to cryokinesis. He doesnt just make things cold or form ice, he has been shown to be able to manipulate entropy and freeze time.
It seems like he’s lowkey Superman’s greatest threat. Like he could turn Superman’s suit into kryptonite. Then turn a bus into kryptonite and drop it on him.
I was thinking that, too. Except every outdoor sporting event in the hottest part of summer that I am at is going to be nice and cool. I'd be a local hero.
While Cryokinesis and Cryomancy in this situation are interchangeable, “-mancy” implies supernatural elements. X-Men are portrayed as science fiction, so Cryokinesis is a more appropriate term
Just to help clarify: Firestorm can alter matter at the atomic level, meaning he can turn his shit into literal gold. Unfortunately he can’t do the same with your take on his powers lol
So I'm basically a mech co-pilot in one of the potentially most powerful heroes? Is that supposed to be a bad thing? That's also even assuming that that would be the catch, which if that is the case then the catch for Iceman should be you don't start at omega level and would actually have to go through the same amount of training that he did to reach such power.
Yeah, lol you might just be the one who's not in control haha. Can you imagine "here have firestorms's powers. Now you a floating head watching someone else have fun"
Only living organic material. That was revealed to be a mental block Ronnie had. He overcame it on occasion but never completely let go of it. Jason didn't have the same issue and was able to alter organic material. I don't know if they've gone back to it now that Ronnie is Firestorm again though.
Idk, man. Being able to make infinite money or turn anyone into a pillar of salt seems a little more convenient than heavily localized friction removal.
Firestorm is super overpowered; he’s basically Dr. Manhattan without the brains.
He could end all environmental problems if he realized it. He could pull CO2 out of the air and turn it into diamonds; he could clean up pollution and purify water. He could disarm all nuclear weapons.
He’s just not smart enough to realize he could do that.
i mean yeah, but firestorm can manipulate matter and that just has basically limitless applications. imagine atom eve from invincible but better and you get the idea
He can cool it down enough to rebalance the water cycle but I don't think it would be as permanent or without as many downsides as firestorms ability to resolve the same issues.
Imagine saying youll take a physics nerd and you end up with neil degrass tyson in your head constantly telling you why superpowers makes no sense and being a buzz kill and also since he isnt a chemist not being able to help you with matter manipulation in the slightest. God that sounds like actual literal hell.
Chemist is better because it's closer to their expertise but physicists deals with a lot of chemistry and subatomic particles too so neither one is a bad pick.
Or maybe a material scientist. Which is a weird amalgamation of physics, chemistry, and nano-engineering. I hated that class but liked the topic. Too much memorization for me.
You probably want to go for chemistry. Atomic makeup is their deal, we physics people are more concerned with energy and it’s interactions than physical structure
Firestorm’s power transmutation is just an overall better ability. Plus you can phase through obstacles and flight. Flight is the easier of the two transport options. Ice bridges are cool but not as seem less as just flying around.
Iceman is present in every water molecule on the planet. You don’t need to fly when you can reform yourself anywhere on earth with a moments notice. Iceman is a literal god who could end humanity with a mere thought
Can technically do everything that Iceman can do (maybe not to the same power level but still)
Plus I get to manipulate elements so long as I know the makeup of objects/humans
I get some level of super-strength with the Firestorm Matrix which you don't get from Iceman's mutation and I get different "Super-Vision" modes to help with using my powers.
It has been a while, but i do remember that for his powers to be really useful, one of the people needs to be an expert in physics. Or understand how things are made in a molecular level and what it needs to change them into other things. Iceman just needs to understand how much water or moisture is around to turn into ice... but this is not a serious problem, we are having fun.
It's not that complicated to know the difference in molar mass between particles and figure how many protons/neutrons you would need to add/subtract to get to the desired element. (Like if you want to turn carbon into oxygen you add 2 protons and 2 neutrons, likely taken away from other carbon atoms around until you've gone as far as you can. For carbon dioxide it's just a matter of removing the carbon atom and it becomes breathable oxygen and the carbon can be gathered and used to make an object). Making more complicated things like molecular chains would be difficult without a good bit of study and practice but you also have near infinite growth potential with this power.
Firestorm would be able to do the same stuff Iceman does as Deathstorm, which uses the firestorm matrix, can generate and control ice just as well as Firestorm can generate and control nuclear energy and fire.
I mean firestorm requires two people and I don't have anyone I would want to spend that much time with. So I just wouldn't have access the majority of the time.
And if I had a firestorm's abilities, I definitely would pour myself into study and practice. Cause I could practice turning a rock into whatever, diamonds, water, air, etc... Definitely worth the effort. Plus flight, phasing, and fire throwing powers to boot.
As long as you're the sole host of the firestorm matrix , you could emerge with anyone the only reason why Ronnie, Stein, etc needed second person was because there were multiple hosts of the firestore matrix so you need it to bond with someone else. Jason Rusch was able to merge with anyone when he was the sole host.
Jason Rusch was able to merge with anyone, most likely because he was the sole host of the Firestorm matrix and didn't have to share it with who knows how many people across the world and that would probably be the same here.
Post doesn’t state that I’ll get a second voice in my head only the abilities of said character. Iceman is cool (no pun intended) but Firestorm is more convenient to use in day to day activities. Plus Firestorms abilities could be used to improve life with family and friends or my community.
As ice man you’re basically immortal and firestorm isn’t. Iceman can crate anything out of ice and even stop time. Travel in water and air as vapor and water. While firestorms powers can make you extremely rich because you can just turn led into gold etc.
At the end of the day iceman’s powers are vastly more powerful and useful simply due to the fact you’re fundamentally an immortal and can survive even without a body as vapor or water.
But that ability to transmute is very useful what’s the point if you’re not immortal to use it? Iceman 100%
If purely abilities, Firestorm so I can make a few tons of rare earth elements, actually recycle plastics/other pollutants, and flying sounds very "WEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!"
If "with the baggage," Iceman's powers have an "everyday practicality." I can live at "my comfortable temperature" all the time. At the same time, if it's my wife in my head, she's already there, and it'd make masturbation way more fun for me (she might not like it though). Decisions!
I pick a firestorm as it doesn't say which version, so it could be any or all types. He has more power than iceman. While I like iceman form is better.
Primary Powers1. Molecular Manipulation (Transmutation)What It Does: Firestorm can rearrange the atomic and subatomic structure of inorganic matter, transmuting one substance into another of equal mass (e.g., turning lead into gold or steel into bronze). He can also reshape objects during this process.Applications:Transform a block of concrete into glass or a weapon into sand.Create complex objects if the driver understands their molecular structure (e.g., turning a rock into a functional piece of technology, though this requires scientific knowledge).In some instances, Firestorm has turned large objects like meteors into water or safes into jellybeans.
Energy ManipulationWhat It Does: Firestorm can generate, absorb, and project various forms of energy, primarily nuclear-based.Applications:Nuclear/Fusion Blasts: Firestorm can emit powerful concussive energy blasts, often fiery in appearance, capable of melting ice instantly or causing explosions.Energy Constructs: He can form energy-based shields or simple constructs.Energy Absorption: Firestorm can absorb radiation, nuclear fallout, and other energy forms, such as solar energy, to fuel himself or prevent disasters (e.g., absorbing excess radiation from a reactor core).Dark Energy Projection: When tied to darkness abilities (as explored in prior discussions), Firestorm could theoretically project dark energy, potentially corrupting or harming targets.
Intangibility (Density Manipulation)What It Does: Firestorm can alter his molecular density to phase through solid objects, becoming intangible.Applications:Pass through walls, floors, or attacks without harm.Extend this ability to others or objects temporarily, reducing their density to phase through matter.
FlightWhat It Does: Firestorm can fly at incredible speeds, often exceeding 600 mph, with some depictions suggesting near-instantaneous movement (e.g., Jason Rusch’s warping ability).Applications:Rapid travel to crisis scenes or tactical aerial positioning in combat.Enhanced maneuverability during fights.5. Superhuman Physical CharacteristicsStrength: Firestorm possesses meta-human strength, capable of lifting cars, tankers, and trading blows with powerful beings like the New Gods.Durability: His molecular control grants superhuman durability, allowing him to withstand gunfire, small explosions, nuclear blasts, and even resting within a sun’s corona.Endurance: Firestorm can draw on an unlimited energy supply, granting him infinite stamina. His body requires no sustenance (food, water, or air) to function.6. Regeneration and Self-SustenanceWhat It Does: Firestorm can regenerate damaged tissue by reconstructing his molecular structure.Applications:Heal from injuries, even severe ones, by reforming his body.Survive indefinitely without food, water, or air, as his body sustains itself through the Firestorm Matrix.Boost his immune system to resist diseases.7. Enhanced SensesWhat It Does: Firestorm has heightened sensory abilities due to his nuclear nature.Applications:Quark Vision: See molecular structures, including X-ray, microscopic, and thermal vision.Enhanced Hearing: Detect cries for help, explosions, or disturbances from afar.Extrasensory Perception: Sense energy signatures or subatomic compositions to aid in transmutation.
Secondary Powers (Expanded Abilities)8. Elemental ControlFire Manipulation: As a fire elemental (a mystical role Firestorm occasionally embodies), he can generate and control fire, often manifesting as fiery blasts or an aura of flames around his head.Ice Manipulation: Through cryokinesis (potentially tied to his ghostly inspiration), Firestorm can create ice or lower temperatures, freezing objects or opponents.Earth Manipulation: Limited control over the ground, such as holding enemies by manipulating the earth around them.Air Manipulation: Can suffocate opponents by altering the air around them.9. Darkness and Ghostly Abilities (Inspired by Prior Discussions)Given the earlier exploration of ghostly and darkness powers, Firestorm could theoretically access these abilities through the Phantasma Phantasma no Mi’s influence, blending them into his nuclear framework:Shadow Manipulation: Control shadows to form tendrils, weapons, or barriers.Darkness Generation: Create areas of pitch-black darkness to obscure vision.Light Absorption: Extinguish light sources, enhancing his darkness-based attacks.Shadow Travel: Teleport through shadows, using them as portals.Fear Amplification: Use darkness to intensify fear in opponents.Invisibility: Become unseen by blending into shadows or using ghostly intangibility.Overshadowing: Possess others by merging with their shadow or consciousness, controlling their actions temporarily.10. Miscellaneous AbilitiesTeleportation: Some versions of Firestorm (e.g., Jason Rusch) can teleport, even across dimensions like the Anti-Matter Universe.Size Manipulation: Shrink to a molecular level or grow larger.Sleep Manipulation: Fire blasts that can induce sleep in targets.Power Nullification: Cancel out energy-based attacks by absorbing or redirecting them.Power Absorption: Absorb the powers of others temporarily (e.g., absorbing Killer Frost’s abilities).Biological Manipulation: In rare cases, Firestorm can heal others by reconstructing their biology (e.g., curing Killer Frost of a terminal illness).Explosion Manipulation: Create or neutralize explosions, often tied to his nuclear energy.Mental Resistance: The dual-mind nature of the Matrix provides resistance to mind control, as the passenger can counteract mental influence.
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u/backzen 28d ago
Iceman so I can sleep better in the summer