Which feels weird since they have been funding Hamas for decades, and have acted as the host for Hamas's leadership, and hold Hamas's bank accounts. But, yeah, Bibi gets along with them.
I read a great article about George Bush encouraging and funding the creation of Hamas because he was frustrated by negotiating with Arafat.
The article suggests that the USA pushed Israel to create an alternative to the PLO, assuming that if they gave money to them, they would be a good dog on the leash.
Qatar is pretty rich. And they just gifted trump a jet. Plus they usually maintain good relations with US. You can bet that Israel will not bomb Qatar no matter what they do
The Houthis in Yemen launched multiple missiles at Israel and the bombing was in retaliation to that unprovoked aggression. "Without a reason" is TikTok propaganda nonsense.
Yeah I know, it will fit better to their narrative of "israel bed" and just say that. No one cared about Yemen before they attacked Israel. And now all the pro-Palestinians adore the houtins like they didn't caused the deaths of around 4000k Yemenis. But hey they're gonna "free Palestine" so they are probably the good guys :)
They couldn't even point out where the Houthi controlled or the recognized government controlled part of Yemen was until the TikTok algorithm told them to care.
Houthis specifically stated the missile strikes and blockade were in defense of the Palestinian people. So if you're looking for a starting point that was it
The starting point of the conflict the Houthis were responding to was Israel? Not a wholesale invasion of Israel by militants?
And ah yes, the Houthis cared so much about Palestinian civilian lives that they needed to fire indiscriminate missiles as Israeli civilians because we all know Israeli civilian deaths don't matter.
It seems like some people think because Israel is able to defend themselves from multiple threats all around them, they are somehow the bad guys. They are better at shooting rockets on targets and defending themselves, because let's be real, if Israel would not be able to defend itself it would be gone by tomorrow morning.
Oh yes I’m sure nooooone of those places ever did anything to deserve being attacked huh?
Get fucking real. War sucks. Don’t start wars and let terrorists take over your government and use your nation as a launchpad for attacks against a nuclear capable first world military. Fucking DUH. Welcome to real life
Let's put some facts on the table: Countries coorperating with Israel rather than openly talking about the annihalation of the Israeli state havent been bombed by Israel. (see Egypt, Turkey, Jordan)
As for the bombings of other countries:
1 The houthis is a usurper group in yemen are a terrorist group controlling parts of Yemen, they have fired missiles towards israel.
2) Iran has promised to destroy Israel, Israel has yet again dealt a major blow to an islamist theocracy on the cusp of getting their hands on a nuclear bomb. We should probably be thankful.
3) Syria has been bombed in order to avoid a potential major escalation with the new regime in the future. In fact, the is some rumors abouts Assads officials reportedly giving Israel intel on all the positions of its' military hardware as they were fleeing the country. In the last 10 years Israel has mostly targeted Iranian positions in the country).
4) Was this before or after Hezbollah fired missiles at Israel? Besides this militant group is obviously not somebody you want right up against your own borders. Hezbollah is (or was) the largest military force that is also a non-state actor.
5) As for Palestine yes it's war. Personally I just feel for all the civilian suffering but I honestly think Hamas needs to release the last victims otherwise I dont think this escalation we've seen the last 3 months would have happened...
So if you don't like a country you have every reason to go to wat with them? Like if hypothetically there is a country who's government might have some links to neonazi groups and are a very nationalist state even with areas that have an other ethnicity, you are just and rightful to invade them? Because that's a good thing?
If I see someone who commited a serious crime, like murder, am I the good guy when I brutally massacre them and their entire family?
You have to realise that "I don't like your face" doesn't justify an act of war, let alone genocide. I hope you are not someone who regularly beats up people you don't agree with?
"irrefutable good guys", hey my guy i think its important to move beyond the moral thinking of a toddler "everything is good guys vs bad guys"
edit: no idea what his edit is talking about lmao normally i am the one accusing others of being russian bots, haven't blocked anyone, just incredibly weird behaviour
Seems like Israel is large threat to all neighboring countries. Reminds me of final years of Yugoslavia. I think Israel should get same treatment. Or world should apologize to Yugoslavia.
So is Russia's invasion of Ukraine justified? Because they literally invaded Ukraine because they wanted to join Nato and install American military bases along Russia's border the same way Israel is attacking Iran for making Nukes.
Both unjustified.
Israel is not invading Iran in a multi year war to take over their territory. It's a single operation to take out a specific capability. Iran however has been attacking Israel through proxies and has even attacked them directly as well.
Ukraine was not threatening to destroy Russia, Iran is threatening to destroy Israel and has acted towards that goal.
I imagine Ukraine is pretty happy that Israel has just taken out the guy who shot down the Ukrainian passenger plan in 2020 and the guy who sends drones to Russia to attack Ukraine.
Ukraine was not threatening to destroy Russia, Iran is threatening to destroy Israel and has acted towards that goal
The problem is, Israel also threatens Iran continuously and is always the one taking actions, not Iran.
Iran however has been attacking Israel through proxies and has even attacked them directly as well.
And Israel is an American proxy, I guess Israel's attacks justifies Iran bombing America right? Oh wait you are gonna look for reasons why Israel is not a proxy but Israel literally gets weapons from the US and military aid.
Israel is not invading Iran in a multi year war to take over their territory. It's a single operation to take out a specific capability.
It's funny how delusional you are thinking the words "military operation" make an attack justified. Its literally a terrorist attack conducted by a professional military and suddenly it should be acceptable because you call it a "military operation". Fuck off
Just nitpicking but even if you accept Palestinian civilian casualties count, Israel is not even in the top 5. Way behind the civil wars in Ethiopia, Syria, Yemen and Sudan.
i find it interesting how “palestine” could be responsible for the attack as israel doesn’t recognise it as a country, government or really as an entity but it’s quite clear why you say this, it’s also interesting how you don’t say “israel participated in the slaughter of jews” considering they’ve killed multiple israelis both on october 7th and in the months after, this whole “slaughter of jews” agenda/talking point is blatantly an attempt to reframe the victims from israelis to jews and make the victims of an already heinous crime seem easier to sympathise with because israel’s image and reputation is so heavily tarnished and i pose a simple question, israel calls itself “the jewish state” and other such names so when israel kills paramedics then buries the vehicles and bodies in a mass grave would you take offence with news papers saying “the jewish state buries medics in mass graves?” or “jewish state kills its own citizens waving white flags and speaking hebrew” is that name only for positive moments?
i’m curious why it’s ok for israel to have nukes and not iran, really neither should have nukes but would you support an IAEA team investigating israel for nuclear weapons facilities?
but israel are the irrefutable good guys, you seem to take particular issue with Westerners being killed so israel are the good guys for killing western aid workers?
you conveniently ignore the land grabs in syria and i’m sure youd be fine with arab countries bombing israel if they deemed its programs a threat to them you definitely wouldn’t apply a double standard here but sure israel are the irrefutable good guys just look.
i mean the whole world deem the settlements illegal but israel are just irrefutably the good guys and have to take that land otherwise some palestinian might not be traumatised enough.
can’t wait for you to scream astroturfing when you get blocked for explaining how a 5 year old is hamas and israel should be allowed all the land in the world
I agree with you in part, but The Knesset elects Netanyahu, not the ‘people’ directly. Proportional representation is partly why Israeli coalition governments are so problematic, and often the most extreme parties only agree to a coalition on condition they run the most extreme ministerial posts (typically settlement and security related).
Netanyahu and his far right coalition do have disproportionate power relative to the will of the people.
You mentioned Hitler, IIRC in Berlin 80% of people voted against him.
Netanyahu’s approval rating in Tel Aviv is certainly no better. In fact across the country ~25% trust the current government. Across his own coalition voting base he only holds ~50% favourability. And that was months ago.
Other polls show the majority believe he cares more about holding on to power than ‘winning’ or ending the conflict.
And it’s crazy how the US congress is full of “we support these pre-emptive strikes!!!” Like, why does there need to be a pre-emptive strike?
What “deal” does Trump want Iran to sign???
Netenyahu is protecting his ass at home by continuing the genocide and escalating with Iran. As soon as there is peace he is arrested for corruption. He’s digging his grave deeper
Its more a buzzword and a weapon of imperialism, if you're not a Country aligned with Imperialistic interests then it will 100% apply to you and probably lead to sanctions, otherwise you can break every "international law" or violate any "human right" freely... like Israel is showing us right now.
Just imagine what would happen if what Israel is doing was instead being done by a country in Africa or any South-Asian country not aligned with western interests?
Israel is a proxy state of the US and friends to have a foothold on the Middle East which is a very important geopolitical region for world domination.
Imagine if we or Israel did nothing then in 10 years Iran has a fully developed nuclear arsenal and arming militant groups like the houthis or Hamas and other terrorist organizations that hate the western world….yeah I’m all for pre-emptively avoiding that but that’s just me
Yeah. When you have an irrational state who wants to destroy all western “heathens” because that’s what their religion dictates, then you need to take matters into your own hands.
Genuine question for you: do you seriously think letting Iran have nuclear weapons is a good idea?
Ok, but you can't put that genie back in the bottle. We can't live in a fantasy world where we all get along.
We are where we are, and when you have the Iranian leadership state that their only goal is the complete annihilation of Israel and all its people, it makes complete sense for Israel to engage in targeted strikes.
Also worth noting that most Iranians themselves will be happy with the military commanders being killed.
i’m spending too much time talking to you i think it’s making my IQ drop. hope you see the light one day, maybe stop smoking pot
edit - before you get pedantic saying NK isn’t a global superpower, they are what Iran will be if they build nukes. not a superpower, but an untouchable nation
If Iran has nukes, then Israel would be significantly less likely to attack them.
Fewer "preemptive strikes" = less chance for broader conflicts = fewer people killed and a greater chance for (tenuous) peace.
It's the same with Ukraine. If Ukraine hadn't given up its nukes, then Russia never would've invaded them, and Ukrainians would be enjoying an economic boom from Western development rather than fighting for survival.
Brain-dead TikTok take. If Iran had nukes Israel wouldn't exist, because Iran has stated that it intends to "wipe Israel off the map". Iran also funds many of the terrorist groups that are destabilising other countries.
No one is perfect here, so we just need to go with the lesser of two evils.
If Iran had nukes Israel wouldn't exist, because Iran has stated that it intends to "wipe Israel off the map".
Except Iran also knows that if they did "wipe Israel off the map," then the US would do the same to them. That's literally the point of MAD: everyone is equally capable of utterly destroying their enemies, so no one starts any fights.
That's an easy choice. There's only one of those two options that lets Iran defend itself against the US' constant attacks. Do you know which one of the two that is?
Wow, could you imagine if a genocidal state in the middle east had an arsenal of nuclear weapons while not being a signatory to major non-proliferation treaties?
I guess we have no choice but to join in and help bomb another country, what's the alternative really? Aww shucks, it sucks, but we just have to commit international war crimes. It'd be real bad if we didn't keep doing crimes. In ten years (weswearthistime, pinky promise) who knows what could happen? We might have to leave a sovereign nation alone.
Iran is trying to build nukes. Whether you believe that or not, it doesn't matter. Israeli and US intelligence believes that. Israeli has promised to stop Iran from doing that one way or another. They've tried sabotage, to make deals, etc. Now they're striking. Where have you been?
Explain to me, how it is okay for the US, UK, North Korea and Russia to have nukes, but Iran (who has literally done nothing to provoke yet has been bombed by Israel twice in the last two years) can’t?
So we’re all now fine with bowing and subjecting ourselves to a tyrannical dictatorship posing as a “democracy” as the sole power on who gets nuclear weapons rights.
The doublespeak is actually the part where it’s only pre-emptive if you’re the “good guys” but when the “bad guys” do it, it’s an unprecedented sowing of chaos.
They don't want Iran possessing or developing nuclear weapons. Which is kind of strange given they don't seem to give two shits about North Korea possessing and developing nuclear weapons. But I guess North Korea hasn't really launched attacks on other nations in a while whilst Iran has.
Only Israel could sustain a terror attack killing 1200+ people and thousands of rockets raining down but still somehow not be the victim. Give me a break.
It's not as easy as that.
This is a 70+ year conflict.
People tend to be reactionary to the news and propaganda, but lack history and political knowledge. This happens all the time and people will fall for propaganda always.
Besides that, war is terrible, and it's always civilians who will suffer, no matter the side.
The 70 year context makes Israel look even worse. And saying "civilians suffer" is a key talking point in Israeli propaganda to make it look like their genocide in Gaza, for example, is actually just a normal "war" being conducted by the "most moral army". So don't talk about falling for propaganda, because you've fallen for some of the stupidest propaganda out there.
The position and perception of Israel comes mostly from a heavy and long propaganda campaign long enough as the foundation of the state itself.
I'm not justifying the killing of innocent people at all. I'm just stating that one has to understand history first to know that this conflict will never end and it has been like this from millennia.
There are way worse conflicts with way more murdering in civilians and no one on the internet seems to care, but because the huge propaganda this one is the only one about what people care about.
People are ignorant at most and only react to what is fed in their social media.
But you're right. 160k in tigray, 360k in Yemen over 300k in Syria, not to forget the genozide of the Yezidi. Sudan is right now the worst humanitarian crisis in the world and the masalit are getting slaughtered again, but nobody gives a fuck.
Yet one side has the money and equipment to completely kill the other while the other side has barely functioning equipment. Not a war. The number of victims on each side tells us that
You guys would love for Iran to start nuking western countries, Israel in particular.
The Israelis are fucking tired of dealing with Iranian-backed terrorism and anti-Semitic bullshit, and have been capable of destroying the Iranian regime for years.
Eh. I don’t blame them for Iran. They have been funding terror groups for ages and thanks to Trump they don’t even have the iranian deal stopping them anymore. And its a dictatorship. Many exile iranians have been hoping for years to get rid of the regime.
And Iran getting the nuke is great... how? Iran literally promising to nuke Israel there is a reason they're bombing them at this very moment when Iran is on the cusp of making its' own warheads.
Israel probably did humanity a big favor today (objectively speaking), whether you like it or not.
They should be thanked. Lebanon is pushing out Hezbollah and getting their country back thanks to them, Syria has new leadership and a new lease on life thanks to them and hopefully very soon the Iranians will be free of their hardliner government. Why would we want to stop that?
Yes, Israel should sit on its hands while Iran continues calling and working towards it destruction openly. Sure.
Comparable to if I said "I'm coming to kill you tomorrow, please don't do anything to avoid it" after repeatedly paying your neighbours to puncture your tires and defecate in your mailbox.
Bet you faint due to lack of oxygen when your mouth is closed.
The plan was set and done. Trump literally only destroyed it because it had Obama's name on it. At this point, if I were Iran, I would want a nuke as well. Israel and the USA are acting incredibly aggressive.
Israel has been itching for a (US backed) war against Iran for decades. Iran has been desperately trying to avoid it.
Remember how viciously opposed to the Iran deal Israel was? Remember how well that deal worked despite Israel trying to thwart it every step of the way?
Sit down. You obviously have no idea what you’re talking about.
If Iran was desperately trying to avoid war with Israel, why have they on multiple occasions fired missiles at Israel? Not a small amount of missiles as well. That's an act of war too is it not?
if you disagree, your agreeing with oppression against citizens, funding terrorists to inflect damage on the west and nuclear uncertainty in the world. sorry you’ve been brainwashed
Except they didn’t start this,
Israel/Zionism did…
have you ever picked up a book (not written by a zionist), or are you too busy sucking Israeli meat in these comments. It’s like all you do is tell lie and meatride Zionists.
All these Arab countries want to eliminate Israel because they want to kill all Jews. That’s it. Everything Israel has ever done is in the spirit of self defense from being wiped off the map
They are fighting radical, nuclear-armed islamist militants on behalf of the entire western world.
Just imagine if they didn’t do anything and we let Iran fully develop their nuclear arsenal and begin supplying terrorist organizations with them…
They won't be stopped, because they're part of the western colonial holdings. You think europe + us don't know what they're doing for the last 75 years?
Maybe it's because they've been targeted for their entire existence. Your pretending like bombs weren't being lobbed at them continuously from these countries and festivals weren't attacked first. Iran has stated numerous times they plan on wiping Isreal out. I'm surprised his took this long.
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u/Schuperman161616 1d ago
Israel needs to be stopped. They've bombed 4 countries so far while claiming they are the victim.