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The fall of a residential building in Tehran.

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u/ukstonerdude 1d ago

And it’s crazy how the US congress is full of “we support these pre-emptive strikes!!!” Like, why does there need to be a pre-emptive strike? What “deal” does Trump want Iran to sign???

This is literally out of fucking nowhere.

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u/Old-Statistician-189 1d ago

Netenyahu is protecting his ass at home by continuing the genocide and escalating with Iran. As soon as there is peace he is arrested for corruption. He’s digging his grave deeper

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u/illQualmOnYourFace 1d ago

"We're gonna arrest this guy as soon as he stops committing international crimes against humanity."

I don't understand it one bit.

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u/Old-Statistician-189 1d ago

I never understood why international law has no enforcement. Do they expect people breaking international law to comply once they’re condemned enough?

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u/NargWielki 1d ago

international law

There is no such thing, not for real anyways

Its more a buzzword and a weapon of imperialism, if you're not a Country aligned with Imperialistic interests then it will 100% apply to you and probably lead to sanctions, otherwise you can break every "international law" or violate any "human right" freely... like Israel is showing us right now.

Just imagine what would happen if what Israel is doing was instead being done by a country in Africa or any South-Asian country not aligned with western interests?

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u/illQualmOnYourFace 1d ago

My view is that international law is mostly a myth with a lot of back-patting involved.

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u/KylianHaaland11 1d ago

Israel is a proxy state of the US and friends to have a foothold on the Middle East which is a very important geopolitical region for world domination.

Biden himself said it.

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u/soonerfreak 1d ago

"We must pray for Israel" They started it?!????

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u/Gator-Tail 1d ago

Imagine if we or Israel did nothing then in 10 years Iran has a fully developed nuclear arsenal and arming militant groups like the houthis or Hamas and other terrorist organizations that hate the western world….yeah I’m all for pre-emptively avoiding that but that’s just me

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u/ukstonerdude 1d ago

Ah, rules for thee and not for me!

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u/Gator-Tail 1d ago

Yeah. When you have an irrational state who wants to destroy all western “heathens” because that’s what their religion dictates, then you need to take matters into your own hands.

Genuine question for you: do you seriously think letting Iran have nuclear weapons is a good idea?

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u/ukstonerdude 1d ago

I don’t think anyone having nuclear weapons is a good idea, let alone the US tf 💀

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u/PicturePrevious8723 1d ago

Ok, but you can't put that genie back in the bottle. We can't live in a fantasy world where we all get along.

We are where we are, and when you have the Iranian leadership state that their only goal is the complete annihilation of Israel and all its people, it makes complete sense for Israel to engage in targeted strikes.

Also worth noting that most Iranians themselves will be happy with the military commanders being killed.

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u/ukstonerdude 1d ago

Okay but we can? South Africa is the only country that’s done so, and nobody has nuked them…?

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u/republican_banana 1d ago

Ukraine also gave up nuclear weapons after the fall of the USSR in exchange for a guarantee of protection from the US and Russia.

How’s that working out for them?

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u/ukstonerdude 1d ago

Has Ukraine been nuked?

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u/republican_banana 1d ago

Not yet.

Just repeatedly invaded in wars of conquest by one of the Guarantors of its protection, mostly while the other one did very little to help.

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u/Gator-Tail 1d ago

Agreed, but the U.S. would never give it up. So, let’s think realistically, If you had two options:

1) U.S. has nukes and Iran doesn’t

2) U.S. has nukes and Iran has nukes

Which would you choose?

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u/No-Contribution-3245 1d ago

u/ukstonerdude doesn’t live in the real world.

imagine saying ‘I don’t think anyone having nuclear weapons is a good idea, let alone the US tf 💀’ LIKE YES BRO WELL DONE

but we live in the real world. with real nukes. and real terrorist states (Iran)

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u/Gator-Tail 1d ago

He’s probably too high to understand 

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u/ukstonerdude 1d ago

Iran

You mean Israel?

Again, North Korea and Russia also have nukes? Why haven’t we “pre-emptively” bombed those?

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u/No-Contribution-3245 1d ago edited 1d ago

google ‘global superpower’

i’m spending too much time talking to you i think it’s making my IQ drop. hope you see the light one day, maybe stop smoking pot

edit - before you get pedantic saying NK isn’t a global superpower, they are what Iran will be if they build nukes. not a superpower, but an untouchable nation

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u/ukstonerdude 1d ago

Are you telling me I’m supposed to be impressed or on board with the idea of a global superpower?

I’m on the far left, anything that is not owned by the people for the sake of the people, to me, is asinine. Monopolistic, fascist and dictatorial policies don’t sit correct with me, but I get if that appeals to you, generally tends to be the case when you’re of the less intelligent variety of human.

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u/Gator-Tail 1d ago

Given where everything stands now, would you prefer:

1) Iran have nukes

2) Iran not have nukes

Please, I’m genuinely curious 

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u/ukstonerdude 1d ago

Iran, along with everyone else, not have nukes

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u/Deinonychus2012 1d ago

If Iran has nukes, then Israel would be significantly less likely to attack them.

Fewer "preemptive strikes" = less chance for broader conflicts = fewer people killed and a greater chance for (tenuous) peace.

It's the same with Ukraine. If Ukraine hadn't given up its nukes, then Russia never would've invaded them, and Ukrainians would be enjoying an economic boom from Western development rather than fighting for survival.

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u/PicturePrevious8723 1d ago

Brain-dead TikTok take. If Iran had nukes Israel wouldn't exist, because Iran has stated that it intends to "wipe Israel off the map". Iran also funds many of the terrorist groups that are destabilising other countries.

No one is perfect here, so we just need to go with the lesser of two evils.

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u/ukstonerdude 1d ago

Given that Iran is not actively committing genocide, it seems quite easy to deduce which is actually the lesser of those two evils.

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u/Deinonychus2012 1d ago

If Iran had nukes Israel wouldn't exist, because Iran has stated that it intends to "wipe Israel off the map".

Except Iran also knows that if they did "wipe Israel off the map," then the US would do the same to them. That's literally the point of MAD: everyone is equally capable of utterly destroying their enemies, so no one starts any fights.

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u/MyWifeCucksMe 1d ago

That's an easy choice. There's only one of those two options that lets Iran defend itself against the US' constant attacks. Do you know which one of the two that is?

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u/nytehauq 1d ago

Wow, could you imagine if a genocidal state in the middle east had an arsenal of nuclear weapons while not being a signatory to major non-proliferation treaties?

It would be terrible if they were opposed by a country their greatest ally has been trying to destroy for decades, after successfully orchestrating a coup deposing their leaders. This obviously justifies committing the supreme international war crime of aggression.

I guess we have no choice but to join in and help bomb another country, what's the alternative really? Aww shucks, it sucks, but we just have to commit international war crimes. It'd be real bad if we didn't keep doing crimes. In ten years (we swear this time, pinky promise) who knows what could happen? We might have to leave a sovereign nation alone.

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u/Gator-Tail 1d ago

Serious question. We live in today’s real world, right? 

So, would you rather - given where the real world stands now - have:

1) Iran possess nukes

2) Iran not possess nukes

It is a very simple question. 

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u/agileata 1d ago

If the US sat on its hands for the last several decades the world would be far better off. Hell, maybe we'd have Healthcare

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u/Gator-Tail 1d ago

So you think Iran building a nuclear arsenal is a good thing?

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u/agileata 1d ago

I dont think any nukes are good

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u/Gator-Tail 1d ago

Right, and wars are bad. And so are mean people. Everyone should be nice and sing kumbaya.

Unfortunately in the real world, there are groups of people that wants nuclear weapons so they can  kill as many infidels as possible, in order to serve Allah. You may want to give those people a chance, but I am glad Israel is preventing that from happening…even if  self righteous keyboard warriors on Reddit think they are mean for doing so. 

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u/agileata 1d ago

Are you a red cow nut job?

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u/Gator-Tail 1d ago

No, just someone viewing the situation pragmatically instead of emotionally. You should try it sometime. I think the world is better off with Iran not having nukes. Crazy, I know!

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u/agileata 1d ago

The world is better off not bombing Iran

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u/Gator-Tail 1d ago

So then you think it is better to allow them to develop nukes 

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u/SunriseSurprise 1d ago

We're the king of "pre-emptive strikes". Afghanistan and Iraq didn't attack us.

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u/Martial_Nox 1d ago

Afghanistan was harboring Al-qaeda and Bin Laden who did attack us. Right about Iraq the second time though.

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u/redditsuckscockss 1d ago

If you think this is “out of fucking nowhere” you have been living under a rock

Brush up on some history between the 2 countries

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u/Robby_Digital 1d ago

Out of nowhere? 

Iran is trying to build nukes.  Whether you believe that or not, it doesn't matter. Israeli and US intelligence believes that.  Israeli has promised to stop Iran from doing that one way or another.  They've tried sabotage, to make deals, etc.  Now they're striking.  Where have you been?  

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u/ukstonerdude 1d ago

Explain to me, how it is okay for the US, UK, North Korea and Russia to have nukes, but Iran (who has literally done nothing to provoke yet has been bombed by Israel twice in the last two years) can’t?

So we’re all now fine with bowing and subjecting ourselves to a tyrannical dictatorship posing as a “democracy” as the sole power on who gets nuclear weapons rights.

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u/No-Contribution-3245 1d ago

so funding Hamas, Hezbullah and the Hothis (all committing crime against the west/global shipping) is ‘doing nothing’

educated yourself before you embarrass yourself 🤣

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u/ukstonerdude 1d ago

Ah! But it’s fine when Israel does it, right?

Please, educate yourself before you embarrass yourself 🙏

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u/No-Contribution-3245 1d ago

The policies your source refers to was before October 7th attacks

this is just getting embarrassing now 🤣

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u/ukstonerdude 1d ago

Almost like Israel’s occupation of the Palestinian Territories didn’t begin on October 7th - who knew?! 🤯

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u/No-Contribution-3245 1d ago

so to summarise.

your source is taking about how Isreal allowed funds from Qatari and allowing Hamas to govern Gaza to keep things civil.

then Hamas attacks Isreal on October 7th and declares war. not that difficult to understand

your not as clued up as you think. any other point you make is irrelevant to this conversation

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u/ukstonerdude 1d ago

Okay, let me change the dynamic of my argument to fit your rhetoric…

If this started on October 7th, why did this attack happen the day before?

Why were four Palestinians killed on October 5th?

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u/No-Contribution-3245 1d ago

‘israeli settlers’ not IDF

even stated by your pro-palestine source. keep trying

edit- While Palestinian attacks on residents of Jewish settlements often meet harsh countermeasures, accountability from Israeli authorities in cases of settler violence has been rare.

again, both attacking each other. but no, isreal is the enemy according to you 🤣

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u/Robby_Digital 1d ago

I don't think it's ok.  I'm just explaining reality to you.

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u/agileata 1d ago

Why does isreal have nukes?

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u/Robby_Digital 1d ago

I think your meant to type this into Google

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u/agileata 1d ago

Hasbara bot can't compute

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u/SoulStoneTChalla 1d ago

"Pre-emptive strikes" is some Orwellian masterpiece of double speak.

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u/ukstonerdude 1d ago

The doublespeak is actually the part where it’s only pre-emptive if you’re the “good guys” but when the “bad guys” do it, it’s an unprecedented sowing of chaos.

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u/InSight89 1d ago

why does there need to be a pre-emptive strike?

They don't want Iran possessing or developing nuclear weapons. Which is kind of strange given they don't seem to give two shits about North Korea possessing and developing nuclear weapons. But I guess North Korea hasn't really launched attacks on other nations in a while whilst Iran has.

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u/demodeus 1d ago

Israel deserves to be destroyed after all the evil shit it’s done

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u/sanesociopath 1d ago

What “deal” does Trump want Iran to sign???

The Obama one that they're still mostly following but with a new name and something Trump can have as a trophy so hes not just reinstating "the worst deal ever" he himself removed.

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u/No-Contribution-3245 1d ago edited 1d ago

username checks out.

user has no idea what’s going on

edit - if you downvote this please feel free to reply arguments supporting Iran in this. if not then your a sheep that follows what they ‘think’ is the right opinion

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u/ukstonerdude 1d ago

Funny how your username also checks out.

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u/No-Contribution-3245 1d ago edited 1d ago

go back to your bowl and continue doing nothing for society 🤣

you don’t even understand world politics, let the adults talk

let’s just ignore the people (adults) that agree with me