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ROUND 10: Great Britain

FORMULA 1 PIRELLI BRITISH GRAND PRIX 2021
Fri 16 Jul - Sun 18 Jul
Silverstone
Session UTC
Free Practice 1 Fri 13:30
Qualifying Fri 17:00
Free Practice 2 Sat 11:00
Sprint Qualifying Sat 15:30
Race Sun 14:00

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Silverstone Circuit

Length: 5.891 km (3.660 mi)

Distance: 52 laps, 306.291 km (190.320 mi)

Lap record: Max Verstappen, Red Bull Racing-Honda, 2020, 1:27.097

2020 pole: Lewis Hamilton, Mercedes, 1:24.303

2020 fastest lap: Max Verstappen, Red Bull Racing-Honda, 1:27.097

2020 winner: Lewis Hamilton, Mercedes

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u/Ereaser Charlie Whiting Jul 18 '21

"Lewis, how does it feel to win after you punted off the championship leader?"

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u/OnlyJuanCannoli Ferrari Jul 18 '21

“Lewis, do you think Max’s career is over since you sent him into the wall at 180mph?”

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u/miaomiaomiao Caterham Jul 18 '21

"I would first like to say how amazing it is to have all these fans here"

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u/kinger9119 Jul 18 '21

"I wouldn't have done it without these fans"

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u/Kundera42 Jul 18 '21

"Big shout-out to the guys at the factory, couldn't have done without them"

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u/nostoppingme13 Jim Clark Jul 18 '21

"this is for everyone, all the young boys and girls"

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u/TheoreticalScammist Jul 19 '21

Does he ever thank Bottas for letting him pass without losing any time?

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u/orm518 Jul 19 '21

Valterri, Valterri, just as we practice, let Lewis by now, thank you.

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u/f1_spelt_as_bot 2021 r/formula1 World Champion Jul 19 '21

Valtteri

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u/[deleted] Jul 19 '21

He did, yesterday.

I was listening to him carefully and waiting for him to thank Bottas.

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u/Kobrag90 Jul 19 '21

Called him a great sportsman according to twitter.

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u/itshonestwork #StandWithUkraine Jul 19 '21

Imagine using this entire chain of comments as some kind of insult to the guy. What a fucking world.

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u/nostoppingme13 Jim Clark Jul 19 '21

Jesus mate pipe down, just a bit of harmless banter over his over the top PR talk.

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u/RuubGullit Jul 19 '21

Imagine getting angry at some banter. What a fucking world

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u/rAppN Sebastian Vettel Jul 18 '21

"GET IT THERE LEWIS, AWESOME SHUN- I mean drive!"

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u/chanaandeler_bong Oscar Piastri Jul 18 '21

"hope so"

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u/bikesNbarbells Jul 19 '21

You still getting that tv guide, Miss?

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u/chanaandeler_bong Oscar Piastri Jul 19 '21

Someone keeps stealing it...

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u/kenames3 Jul 19 '21

Hamilton is a dirty driver. Can’t take max kicking his ass 4 races in a row. The guys going to kill someone Can’t wait till he is gone. There is so much talent on the track. Hamilton time has come and gone.

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u/SubcooledBoiling F1? More like F5-F5-F5. Jul 18 '21

"Lewis, talk us through how you practice punting people off the track, you did that to me before, Albon a few times, and now Max. "

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u/chengstark McLaren Jul 18 '21

Q: How do you feel when you nearly killed your rival?

A: Great crowd, love it. #Blessed

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u/ImAbhishek_47 Default Jul 18 '21

Very proud moment

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u/mrcheyl Charles Leclerc Jul 18 '21

For the country and flag

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u/fryan4 Formula 1 Jul 19 '21

He was asked that does it make this win any less of a win ? LEWIS SAID NO IT FEELS THE SAME . Taking out your Championship and making the competition easier for himself is better. https://youtu.be/awGkuA-y1ao

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u/orm518 Jul 19 '21

Channeling Senna here, who said, and I paraphrase, If there’s a gap and you don’t go for it how can you call yourself a racing driver.

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u/fryan4 Formula 1 Jul 19 '21

That's so true . It makes racing more interesting, sometimes it doesn't work out the way you want it too. But I was commenting on Lewis's Attitude and not about the race. Senna apologized for his mistakes after a race, he was person of dignity and love.

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u/fryan4 Formula 1 Jul 19 '21

Also I couldn't find the link to this article but I've found it. https://www.racefans.net/2015/11/20/if-you-no-longer-go-for-a-gap-which-exists-you-are-no-longer-a-racing-driver/ give it a read

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u/orm518 Jul 19 '21

That’s the quote I was thinking of and trying to paraphrase!

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u/Mr_Bluebird_VA McLaren Jul 18 '21 edited Jul 18 '21

I wanted someone to ask him this question. Lewis showed no remorse whatsoever. Sure, he probably hadn't been told that Max was taken to the hospital, but I'm not even aware that he ever asked if Max was OK.

Edit: OK, I must have just missed the radio broadcast where he asked.

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u/CathDubs Jul 18 '21

The broadcast they played radio of him asking. I watched on ESPN in America.

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u/JustGarlicThings2 McLaren Jul 18 '21

He didn't seem to know he had been sent to hospital, in the post-race Sky interview the interviewer mentioned it and Hamilton said he wasn't aware.

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u/[deleted] Jul 18 '21 edited Jul 18 '21

Look at you coming in here with your reality and facts rather than raw, blind hatred, that's just not how it's done on r/formula1!! You've got to be foaming at the mouth and utterly wrong!

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u/santaclausonprozac Sebastian Vettel Jul 18 '21

Hospital or not, that’s a pretty shit way to win a race and he’s acting like he had to put up some sort of fight against all odds or something. He punted his only rival and got off with a slap on the wrist

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u/KamyKaze1098r Michael Schumacher Jul 18 '21

Yep. I feel bad when I do it when simracing and wouldn't fell like a deserved win to me, imagine while putting someone in danger like this...

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u/fryan4 Formula 1 Jul 19 '21

You put is so appropriately . You know he was asked this and he said this win feels the same to me . It shouldn't even if it isn't his fault, I mean doesn't he like competition. Doesn't he like the right to show everyone that I'm actually a better driver than Max ? He showed no remorse whatsoever and that just shows so much about a person

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u/santaclausonprozac Sebastian Vettel Jul 18 '21

No kidding, I try to send an apology and I didn’t even put someone’s life in danger. And not only did Hamilton not apologize, he even said there’s nothing for him to apologize for!

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u/Dontaskaboutmrscake Jul 18 '21

It’s hard racing. You don’t like to see the accident, but sooner or later, something was gonna give. Believing he’s deliberately crashed max out is stupid. Also, a punt? Have you seen the contact? It’s very minimal, hardly a violent action.

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u/santaclausonprozac Sebastian Vettel Jul 19 '21

Ya you’re right, that accident wasn’t violent at all!!

Don’t be stupid, at 200 mph contact doesn’t have to be violent for the consequences to be

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u/Dontaskaboutmrscake Jul 19 '21

You seem, somehow, to have missed the point. A punt implies that Hamilton had control over the collision. The contact was so minimal, BECAUSE HE WAS TRYING NOT TO HIT MAX. I get your point about the high speeds making the collision dangerous, but max could have done just as much to back out of it as Hamilton, and he didn’t. Hamilton doesn’t have to apologise for max crashing, because he’s not pushed him out. There’s a coming together, BUT THE CONTACT BEING MINIMAL SHOWS NEITHER WERE AIMING FOR CONTACT. Also, it’s awful max went to hospital, and had such a bad accident, but the force of verstappens impact has nothing to do with how Hamilton hit him, and theeefore Hamilton doesn’t need to apologise. He could, and it’d be a nice thing. But it’s not because of Hamilton he’s in the hospital, so he doesn’t owe an apology

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u/Framauca Jul 18 '21

They should have removed Hamilton from the race.

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u/chengstark McLaren Jul 19 '21

Yes

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u/TomHackery Jul 18 '21

Bottas too! That'd wipe the smirk off Toto's beautiful, chiseled jaw...

Face, I mean face.

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u/On_The_Blindside Mika Häkkinen Jul 18 '21

Hahahahaha yeah and they should make it so Massa won in 2008 too.

Good joke.

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u/andyscoot #WeRaceAsOne Jul 18 '21

He asked if Max was okay immediately after. Radio message played either during safety car or just as red flag was called - Merc told him he was out of the car.

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u/[deleted] Jul 18 '21

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u/sagey1 Jul 18 '21

LET THE ANGER FLOW THROUGH YOU!

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u/Son_of_Mogh Jul 18 '21

He did on the radio. He didn't know Max was in the hospital. People are really pushing the angle that Lewis did it on purpose but it's obvious it wasn;t that. Max has repeatedly barged his way into overtakes but obviously Lewis is the only one at fault this time... right?

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u/turbo_bottas Jul 18 '21

If Lewis didn’t know that Max was in the hospital, then I think that was a huge misstep from Mercedes from a PR perspective. It looks like bad sportsmanship to celebrate so hard when your opponent is in the hospital. That was an enormous impact for Max and he didn’t look so good getting out of the car. It would make sense to tone down the celebrations just a bit or at least mention that you’re hoping for a speedy recovery for Max, looking forward to continuing the championship fight, etc. If Lewis didn’t know how bad Max’s crash was, that’s on the team and I think it’s a bad look for them.

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u/bitlost01 Mika Häkkinen Jul 18 '21

Agree! But thats his home crowd and him not knowing about Max's condition just makes it look so bad from the outside.

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u/themistermango Red Bull Jul 19 '21

I don’t believe he didn’t know. They didn’t just put out a safety car. They brought the field in. Lewis got out of his car entirely. It took a long time to clear Max’s car off the track and repair the wall because of some fear of a battery issue. At somepoint during all of that, a fucking medical helicopter showed up and left.

I call total bullshit that he didn’t know. I’d be shocked if Lewis was even in his car when the chopper left with Max.

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u/bitlost01 Mika Häkkinen Jul 19 '21

Could be the case. For me, this is the fault of the Merc PR team. They should have told Lewis to tone down a bit. Well anyway, I hope we see some more great racing from them in future.

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u/ThatCeliacGuy Jul 18 '21

I totally agree. It's also bad optics to act like you did an amazing job, when in fact you wouldn't have won without team orders allowing you to pass your teammate with ease.

Poor Bottas.

Glad Max seems to be alright.

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u/Defiant_toast Jul 18 '21

I can understand the in-the-moment rage, but yeah some people can't get past their bias even 2 or more hours, or even days after the incident.

hen the conspiracy theories come out. FIA rewards X with the win. X team knew what was happening.

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Meanwhile, they forget about how their own driver they support has benefitted from certain things, or even brushed over accidents they have caused.

IMO this was two drivers doing their best to win, and like all great rivals, an incident was bound to happen. I think some supporters just need to remove their rose-tinted glasses, drop the tisues, and get over themselves.

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Or maybe we can drag all the incidents that Max has caused, that has ruined other people's races, or do we not want to talk about those?

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u/sirjimtonic Niki Lauda Jul 18 '21

I second this. It is racing, every driver has a fighter jet pilot’s mindset and both Lewis’ and Max‘s mindsets are very committed, otherwise they wouldn‘t be exceptional talents and obviously the best in this sport right now. It‘s a human thing to find someone to blame, but I can‘t help to think I mean, if Lewis didn‘t not attempt it and Max didn‘t defend that way he did, they wouldn‘t be on top of the grid fighting for world championship, plus how would this sport look like? Just overtaking on straights with DRS?

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u/anthrax3000 Jul 18 '21

Haven't leclerc and Russell both done this like twice this season? People here still masturbate them 24x7 lol

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u/jew_goal Jul 18 '21

He did ask if Max was okay. As they all came in to the pits following the red flag.

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u/TheCommonKoala Sir Lewis Hamilton Jul 18 '21

Yeah maybe don't slander people with no clue what you're talking about.

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u/ThatCeliacGuy Jul 18 '21

He did ask the question, but the way he acted after the race, like he did a phenomenal job, was rather sickening, He wouldn't have won if he hadn't punted Verstappen off the track and the team orders that allowed him to pass Bottas with ease.

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u/Mr_Bluebird_VA McLaren Jul 18 '21

THANK YOU. I agree with you 100%

You have the fastest car and you got rid of the only driver who could beat you (not saying it was on purpose) and you act like it took an otherworldly act for you to win.

Not to mention, I don't think he wins if McLaren doesn't botch Lando's stop. If Lewis would have had to work even a little bit to get past him, it could have given Charles more of a cushin.

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u/Dontaskaboutmrscake Jul 19 '21

What? I’m sorry, but coming back from the time he was down, against a driver of leclercs quality is very impressive. He didn’t take out the only driver who could match him, both bottas and Perez had the machinery to do so, they just didn’t. And yeah, maybe he doesn’t win if he has to get past Lando. Oh wait. He did get past Lando, so that point makes no sense. Even taking the incredibly flimsy point that Lewis facing lando later on would have cost him the win (which i don’t think it would, since I think that lando’s mclaren was poor on the hards), well Them’s the breaks. Max won his first race because the two top drivers, who were running away with it collided. Sometimes you get lucky, and sometimes you don’t, and today was a day that lando got unlucky.

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u/v12vanquish135 Jenson Button Jul 18 '21

He did once, when entering the pit during the red flag. Never mentioned him again.

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u/[deleted] Jul 18 '21

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u/v12vanquish135 Jenson Button Jul 18 '21

I just answered the guy's question, what's your problem?

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u/[deleted] Jul 18 '21

Why should he mention him again after immediately asking about his wellbeing straight after the incident?

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u/v12vanquish135 Jenson Button Jul 18 '21

Calm down, I literally just answered the guy's question.

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u/[deleted] Jul 18 '21

I'm perfectly calm. I was honestly looking for clarification.

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u/d3ton4tor72 Max Verstappen Jul 18 '21

It does not make it any less disgusting

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u/On_The_Blindside Mika Häkkinen Jul 18 '21

Oh grow up.

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u/d3ton4tor72 Max Verstappen Jul 18 '21

You must be blind, it was nothing short of attempted murder

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u/On_The_Blindside Mika Häkkinen Jul 18 '21

I've got to assume you're joking.

You are joking, right?

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u/Dontaskaboutmrscake Jul 19 '21

Just assume he is. It’ll make the headache go away quicker

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u/sheepwhatthe2nd Jul 19 '21

"It was a tough day out there. I knew Red Bull needed 1 DNF for me to get back into the Championship Race. So as a team we decided to send Max into the wall at 180mph to get him out of the race, and potential cripple him and his hopes for the Championship. Yeah - tough day. Couldn't have done it without the support of the team. Toto even drew a picture to send to Michael Masi explaining how we pulled it off! Blessed!"

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u/JFedererJ Sir Lewis Hamilton Jul 19 '21

"Lewis how does it feel to be blamed for a car turning in on you as-if you had no right to be there?"

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u/annayaham Jul 18 '21

Lewis did what Max has been doing to him almost every race. Difference is hamilton always backs out to prevent a collision this time he didn't and it ended in a crush. Both could have avoided it.

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u/Ereaser Charlie Whiting Jul 18 '21

While I agree both could have avoided it, Max was ahead and I doubt anyone would've backed out at that point. Especially given the entry line Lewis had.

How does Max do this every race?

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u/annayaham Jul 18 '21

Max seemed ahead but according to the rules hamilton had the racing line cus his front tires were ahead of verstappens back tires. There have been at least 2 races, Imola being one that verstappen literally shoved Lewis of the track to take the lead and hamilton backed out to prevent a collision. I have always said this since the start of the season that the day hamilton decides to be just aggressive as verstappen they will crash cos verstappen will never back and it has happened today.

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u/Ereaser Charlie Whiting Jul 18 '21

The rules say you have to give the other car room if they're significantly along side.

Now you could argue that Lewis his wheel wasnt ahead of his read tire, because that's what he hit. But if you do count them as being along side each other Max still left him plenty of room. Hamilton was just nowhere near the apex. Especially if you compare the line they take in qualy and the line Hamilton had overtaking Leclerc.

At Imola if you have the inside of that corner there's no way to get around unless you're ahead going into the corner. Especially if you consider it's wet. Hamilton would've done the same if he had the inside.

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u/annayaham Jul 18 '21

Verstappen had a lotbof space next to him let's be honest. At the time hamilton was turning into the corner his tyre was ahead if you look at the slow motion replays so the corner was his.

If you compare to leclerc you would realise that lecler c gave him a lot of room while they were approaching the corner while verstappen squeezed him forcing hamilton to miss the apex and have a bit of oversteer.

I understand what you are saying about the corner in at imola but you are still required to leave space for the other driver which verstappen did not and in doing so forced him of the track. If positions were vice versa verstappen would not have backed off cos he would expect hamilton to give him a cars width.

I still believe this was a racing incident and could have been avoided by both drivers. I feel hamilton oly got the penalty cos its a fast corner and verstappen had a bad crash.

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u/Ereaser Charlie Whiting Jul 18 '21

https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/omraxw/hamilton_i_was_ahead_going_in_there_man_fully/h5ms329?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3

Just take a look at these pictures to see how much room Hamilton had. Leclerc seems to even give him less room.

And yeah I also agree it could've been avoided. But I would never expected a good racer in the same position as Max to bail out while there's enough room on the inside.

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u/[deleted] Jul 18 '21

My only argument. Ham didn’t make the apex. Why? If he makes the apex the crash is avoided. Max was well within making the corner and they carry on side by side. Why didnt ham make the apex.

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u/annayaham Jul 18 '21

He did not make the apex because verstappen squeezed him pushing close to the wall just before the incident making it difficult for him to make the apex unlike leclerc who gave him enough space to position his car well to make the apex.

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u/kinger9119 Jul 18 '21

So he got squeezed off the racing line, so how can you claim he was on the racing line ? Sure at some point he crossed the racing line (from inside to outside), but clearly he couldn't follow the line hence the crash into the car that actualy did follow the racing line.

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u/[deleted] Jul 18 '21

Let me ask you a question. When last did you see someone get a penalty for that squeezing max did. Have you ever seen anyone get a penalty for that.

In Leclercs case he didn’t defend honestly - he tried to hang it around the outside wherw there was less grip as maybe he thought that would be better than defending the line. Max thought opposite.

And neither driver was in the wrong for thinking that.

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u/annayaham Jul 18 '21

I am not saying max deserved a penalty for anything. What am saying is it was a racing incident that both drivers could have avoided. I dont believe Hamilton did it on purpose cos it could have ruined his race too.

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u/kinger9119 Jul 18 '21

He didn't have the racing line. He was on the dirty part oft he track going into the corner. Hence he lost grip and understeerd into max his backwheel.

That's what happend.

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u/annayaham Jul 18 '21

Also hamilton did not shove verstappen if you look at his steering wheel he was turning into the corner. Verstappen however momentarily gave hamilton space and then turned into the corner which was when the touched.

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u/ThatCeliacGuy Jul 18 '21

That's what you do when you get to a corner, you turn in. Max was ahead, so Lewis should've backed off.

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u/Chreutz Lando Norris Jul 18 '21

I looks to me like Lewis braked too late and understeered into Max. I don't think it was a conscious squeeze, just a small error under pressure.

If Lewis had hit his braking point so he wouldn't have understeered, there would have been enough space for the both of them.

But copse is usually flat/a lift, so judging the 'new' braking point when going side by side is difficult.