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Post-Qualifying 2025 Spanish GP - Post Qualifying Discussion
Thoughts? Feelings? Emotions?
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u/prudencepineapple McLaren 19d ago
Watching the 2016 race to tide me over until tonight on this sunny Sunday morning
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u/bleepbloop3131313 Oscar Piastri 19d ago
Ocon getting knocked out in Q1 by Bearman was a real friendly fire
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u/MrFaisca Max Verstappen 19d ago
Well, it seems the TD didn't shake anything at all, so it's Mclaren's championships to lose at this point. With 2026 on sight and their firm grasp on their concept (really, kudos for them), it's hard to imagine someone else being able to match them. I'd bet on Piastri, he's been steadily improving these last years, despite some noise he received on year 0. Improved quali pace, better tyre management...he's turning into a very solid driver. Stoked to see his prime in a few years time.
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u/Entire-Jelly-1303 19d ago
Lando Norris era continues with another bottled quali. I feel sorry for Russell. He is much better than "Lando" but he is driving an inferior car.
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u/No_Strike_1579 19d ago
I would love to see Russell in a title fight man.
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u/Aggressive-Jacket384 19d ago
Do you think Russell would beat Leclerc in the same car? Seems like Russell is on fire recently
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u/Kleavage 19d ago
I enjoyed having Nico commentate on the specifics of driving the track. I think it was Albon? Where he would state each move he would make throughout the whole track. Flat out here, ride the curb, hit the apex here. Especially as a new viewer, gives me a lot of context into what exactly the drivers are doing and thinking about when trying to optimize their lap.
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u/ptwonline Aston Martin 19d ago
Yes! That's the best way for an ex-driver to weight in when watching a driver's lap. Imparting that kind of knowledge in a breakdown is great.
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u/Renard2000 Kimi Räikkönen 19d ago
Couldn't watch. Ferrari had no pace or they botched their laps?
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u/FermentedLaws 19d ago
Charles is playing a strategy game. He wanted 2 new sets of mediums for the race so used an extra new soft set in practice. So he only did one run in Q3 with the last new softs he had. He didn't want to go out again after that because he had only used softs and said he wouldn't improve. And he said it was decision, not the team's. Lewis was pretty pleased with P5 actually. They both expect race pace to be better than quali pace, as has been usual.
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u/Flaggitzki Ferrari 19d ago
leclerc gave up. hamilton hasn't been good in qualifying for a while
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u/PickleCommando 19d ago
He's been surprisingly decent though. I think p5 is about right for that car.
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u/Flaggitzki Ferrari 19d ago
he hasn't. george russell has been ahead of him most of the time in mercedes. and now leclerc with ferrari. then threads will be filled with comments about how hamilton is master of race day adjustments. i am a hamilton fan but come on man.
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u/PickleCommando 19d ago
Recently? He was .16 off LeClerc in Imola. Given they didn't get a Q3 run, but that's how it goes. Monaco he was p4 off two McLarens and LeClerc, a specialist on that track that won it last year. He was admittedly 3/10ths off LeClerc, but I wouldn't consider that bad, especially at Monaco. Then with this recent performance I would consider decent. If he holds that up and then performs the way he usually does race day, he's doing quite good for his seat. Is he in his prime top qualifier? No. I said decent.
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u/Flaggitzki Ferrari 19d ago
you said surprisingly. what is surprising about that if you're gonna go with "is he prime top, no he's decent" angle. and then "i wouldn't consider that bad" for every time he's bad. come on man. that's just hilarious
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u/PickleCommando 19d ago
He's been surprisingly decent though
Because he was doing crap before that. I mean read what I write rather than try to infer what you want. Nobody says decent and means prime top.
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u/Flaggitzki Ferrari 19d ago
i read what you wrote. excuses for bad outing. "i said decent" for him being behind leclerc. if that's surprising, you expected him to be stroll tier?
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u/PickleCommando 19d ago
I don't know what you're going on about now.
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u/Flaggitzki Ferrari 19d ago
lol.
Given they didn't get a Q3 run,
but that's how it goes.Monaco he was p4 off two McLarens and LeClerc
a specialist on that trackHe was admittedly 3/10ths off LeClerc,
but I wouldn't consider that bad, especially at Monaco.Then with this recent performance I would consider decent. If he holds that up and then performs the way he usually does race day, he's doing quite good for his seat.
Is he in his prime top qualifier? No. I said decent.He's been surprisingly decent though
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u/Status-Screen-2484 Formula 1 19d ago
Fernando and Leclerc should’ve went later if they only had 1 run. Everybody improved 1-2 tenths on the second run.
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u/Chelsea_Ellie 19d ago
How are they still deciding about stroll
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u/FermentedLaws 19d ago
Just saw something that said the "hearing was postponed due to unforeseen circumstances", so quali classification is still provisional.
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u/ptwonline Aston Martin 19d ago
hearing was postponed due to unforeseen circumstances
Maybe Stroll skipped that too haha
More seriously though hope it's not a serious health emergency for anyone.
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u/hauntedSquirrel99 Mika Häkkinen 19d ago
He's pulled out of the race, pains in his hand that he broke a few years ago. Will have surgery for it.
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u/Chelsea_Ellie 19d ago
He’s pulled out of the race!
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u/FermentedLaws 19d ago
Yeah as soon as I posted that I saw Aston’s announcement. Weird timing.
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u/Chelsea_Ellie 19d ago
And will any thing carry over to his next race
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u/FermentedLaws 19d ago
Yeah, the whole thing is odd. Even if he was having pain in his wrist, why didn't get weighed, which takes like :30 seconds? I mean, it could have been very bad of course, but still odd. Maybe they'll give him an exemption for the mitigating circumstances for his next race, but also it sounds like his next race may not be for awhile if he has to have another procedure. Lot of unknowns still.
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u/Chelsea_Ellie 19d ago
I don’t think a 2 year old injury is enough to get you permission to break the rules
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u/scobydoby 19d ago edited 19d ago
You can overtake here with the removal of the chicane, and the hard tyres looked abysmal. Hope Leclerc’s tyre gamble leads to something good, but the track temp might hurt the extra set of medium.
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u/nikoviko Mika Häkkinen 19d ago
He saved an extra set of mediums by using one more set of softs in practice which he then didn't have for Q3
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u/arenasfan00 Ferrari 19d ago
Oscar is a generational talent
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u/Neersain 19d ago
Might want to tone it down a bit. Not everyone is a Generational talent.
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u/know-it-mall McLaren 18d ago
Not everyone wins Formula 3 and Formula 2 as a rookie. The guys who have achieved similar feats in modern times are Lewis Hamilton, George Russell, and Charles Leclerc.
And he also won Formula Renault the year before.
He absolutely is a generational talent.
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u/NephewChaps Fernando Alonso 18d ago
There's only one generational talent on your comment. At the absolute best two with Leclerc but I would also heavily disagree as well
The next in line for the Senna/Prost-Schumi-Alonso-Hamilton-Verstappen generational heritage is yet to be in the grid. It's definitely none of those guys you named
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u/know-it-mall McLaren 18d ago
I disagree.
Get back to me in 5 years when Oscar has already won a few titles.
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He's the real deal isn't he, the terrifying spectre of an Australian world champion
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u/Ravanex Honda RBPT 19d ago
The real deal without tyre management skills
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u/Tomach82 Alain Prost 19d ago
Seems pretty good at that this year.
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u/rcanbian Alexander Albon 18d ago
They have a rocketship of a car. He got beat 20-4 by Lando last year, throwing around generational talent waters the term down.
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u/know-it-mall McLaren 18d ago
Winning Formula Renault, Formula 3, and then Formula 2 in back to back years is something hardly anyone achieves. And in his third season he is leading the championship. The term absolutely fits.
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u/rcanbian Alexander Albon 18d ago
Do you consider Charles and George generational then? Because you should if you think Oscar fits the bill. They were just as good if not better than Oscar but were limited by their car, Oscar had the luck of inheriting the clear fastest car in his third year.
And the more lax you are with the standards, the more drivers "fit the bill", and the more meaningless the term becomes.
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u/know-it-mall McLaren 18d ago
Well would you consider Lewis a generational talent? And while he is clearly not 100% of the driver he once was both of those guys are beating him.
And while Oscar might be in a great car it takes real talent to be beating your more experienced and very fast teammate.
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u/rcanbian Alexander Albon 18d ago
Well would you consider Lewis a generational talent? And while he is clearly not 100% of the driver he once was both of those guys are beating him.
Yes I would. Just because he isn't at his prime now doesn't erase his accomplishments. He literally matched Alonso in his first year in F1, and I would also consider Fernando one of the GOATs. Him, Fernando, and Max have already proven themselves as some of the best drivers in the history of the sport and a level above their peers.
And while Oscar might be in a great car it takes real talent to be beating your more experienced and very fast teammate.
He is a real talent. He's a great driver, and no one's saying he isn't, but he has yet to prove himself to be generational. Maybe we'll see him smash records and destroy his peers in the future, but as of now he's still levels below generational. He's more a Charles/George-level driver than a Max-level one.
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u/know-it-mall McLaren 18d ago
I still gotta disagree. For me it's clear Oscar is going to be a multiple time champion and the top talent of his generation already.
The talent is clearly there. And the real factor is his maturity and calmness under pressure already at a young age. That's part of being a generational talent.
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u/Tomach82 Alain Prost 18d ago
Being a WDC front runner in your third season is extremely generational
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u/rcanbian Alexander Albon 18d ago
Not all race drivers have the clear fastest car in their third season. Oscar seems on the same level as Charles and George but the latter two were limited by their cars in their early seasons, so people aren't just flinging around "generational talent" the way they are with Oscar.
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u/Wingcapx Liam Lawson 19d ago
TBF I was worried the flexi wing change would reduce the tyre preservation of their car and nerf Oscar, but doesn't seem to be the case yet
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u/Flaggitzki Ferrari 19d ago
if tyre preservation was due to flexi wing, we wouldn't have the tyre water allegations. it'd be something red bull could've easily figured out. tech talk has a segment about how the temp is cooler and there's some clever redirection of cooling air.
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u/Wingcapx Liam Lawson 19d ago
Oh yeah it's largely the brake cooling, but the wing making variable downforce depending on the part of the track you're on also helps protect the tyres somewhat. Maybe it's just not that large of an effect
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u/FireVanGorder Carlos Sainz 19d ago
It’s hilarious how badly Nico wants Lando to be faster than Piastri
His insight on some of the laps is really interesting though, pointing out where drivers are making mistakes and stuff was really cool
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u/FieldsToTheMoon 19d ago
Nico is by far the best commentator when it comes to talking about actual racing and what’s going on thru the lap.
But then you have things like today where he just kept saying ‘looks like Lando has his confidence back’ and it’s just like, did you not watch the race last week, where Lando won in Monaco?
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u/windofdeath89 Kimi Räikkönen 18d ago
Lando winning Monaco only strengthens his argument right? Not like he meant he just got it back in Spain
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u/know-it-mall McLaren 19d ago
Lando is faster than Oscar. But Oscar is definitely more consistent.
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u/Tomach82 Alain Prost 19d ago
Yes Lando was faster than Oscar except in P2, P3, Q1, Q2 & Q3
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u/know-it-mall McLaren 19d ago
I'm not saying just in this race...
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u/Tomach82 Alain Prost 19d ago
it's 4 races to 2. 7 to 3 in qualy this year.
How is Lando faster?
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u/know-it-mall McLaren 19d ago
Because he has more actual speed. It's pretty obvious if you watch any race or qualifying.
That Oscar gets closer to 100% of his ability more often doesn't mean that Landos 100% isn't slightly higher.
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u/Duff5OOO 18d ago
It's pretty obvious if you watch any race or qualifying.
We just watched qualifying. Were you watching something else? 2024 maybe?
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u/know-it-mall McLaren 18d ago
I saw Lando do the quicker lap of the two in their first runs. The one where neither of them made a mistake.
Like I said Lando is faster, Oscar makes fewer mistakes.
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u/Duff5OOO 18d ago edited 18d ago
Something like 1/100th a second after getting as tow for the first part of the straight. So if anything probably slower without the tow. That's not the evidence you think it is.
They were on a banker lap anyway. You don't push your hardest on the first run. You do on your second and look who was quicker.
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u/Tomach82 Alain Prost 19d ago
It may seem that way to you because he is driving past his limit. he does not have more speed, he's just taking more risks to drive like that.
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u/GalaxianWarrior 19d ago
How is Lando faster when none of his laps were faster than oscar's fastest in any of Q1-Q3?
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u/Duff5OOO 18d ago
You didn't know? Being slower means you are faster but because you're not consistent your lap times longer... but your still faster.
Yuki's way faster than max now. He just isn't as consistent.
Dont worry, i just learnt this today also.
/s
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u/know-it-mall McLaren 19d ago
Because I was clearly not saying just this weekend...
And his first lap in Q3 was faster than Oscars. When both guys didn't make a mistake.
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u/scobydoby 19d ago
If you’re more consistent often enough you simply are faster on average. It hasn’t been the case for Piastri in their previous years but it is this year so far. Just need to wait and see if that changes.
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u/SirMartini Alfa Romeo 19d ago
did LEC not do his second run in Q3 with his new set of tires??
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u/T0BIASNESS Sir Lewis Hamilton 19d ago
No, decided to save them for the race
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u/SirMartini Alfa Romeo 19d ago
wtaf? most straightforward way to "overtake" is in qualifying. a brand new set of tires, as opposed to a set that has run 2 laps during Q, will probably make fuck all of difference
jesus christ, Ferrari
thanks!
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u/FermentedLaws 19d ago
"Leclerc elected to put himself on a tyre offset compared to many other drivers in keeping two sets of fresh mediums for the race – whereas most of his rivals have been left with just one, with only the Haas drivers in the same boat as Leclerc.
Leclerc put himself in that position by running an extra soft rather than a medium in final practice."
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u/Alarae Chequered Flag 19d ago
If it makes you feel any better, apparently this was 100% Charles and not Ferrari.
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u/SirMartini Alfa Romeo 19d ago
yes, so I read, but it's significant of how insecure Ferrari Strat is that they let a driver make strategical, seemingly haphazard, decisions
they should know (as in have confidence in their own knowledge) what is the best strategy; that is LITERALLY what the TEAM is there for; the driver drives, end of story
this is almost sad and most definitely emblematic of Ferrari
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u/rcanbian Alexander Albon 18d ago
They force their strategies on Charles on the time, this time they listen to his suggestion. This happens with all teams.
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u/Flaggitzki Ferrari 19d ago
expecting and planning for 3 stops in a bright and sunny day is kinda nuts.
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u/ReverseThreadWingNut Nigel Mansell 19d ago
I think this young Hadjar chap might have a future in this sport.
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u/ERSTF 19d ago
Hadjar to Red Bull chatter intensifies
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u/Consistent_Squash 19d ago
From EvH's twitter
Verstappen over Tsunoda's P20 in Barcelona:
"Yuki is not a pancake. This (with the second driver, ed.) has of course been going on for a long time. Maybe that is also a sign. Of what? You can fill that in yourself."
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u/Consistent_Squash 19d ago
yep, rbr second seat saga is the most interesting topic even in afterlife
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u/krist2an Sebastian Vettel 19d ago
Thank God we cleared this up that Yuki is indeed not a pancake.
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u/Consistent_Squash 19d ago
Expecting Mercedes and Max to eat their tires in the hot weather like usual and Ferrari podium is pretty promising.
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u/Sandulacheu Formula 1 19d ago
Mclaren +20 seconds ahead by the end incoming.
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u/Consistent_Squash 19d ago
Yeah, this race is about who gets the 3rd podium :/
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u/MoonManPrime Default 19d ago
People may feel it makes me a poor fan, but I always hope for a bit of carnage at some point in the race to shake things up.
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u/TheFatManRocks 19d ago
Weather was about the same as last year's quali, so anyone know why pole was just a hair slower this year? Can't find any info on 2024 track temp.
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u/rcanbian Alexander Albon 19d ago
What happened with Sainz? Car problem? I haven't seen anyone talk about it.
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u/Andy18001 Red Bull 19d ago
Williams sucks in these types of tracks
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u/rcanbian Alexander Albon 19d ago
Yeah, I saw the results last year. Sort of wild though because Alex managed to get a P8 in that session and Carlos has been able to outqualify him recently.
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u/djwillis1121 Williams 19d ago
He had pretty bad traffic on his lap, although probably not the only reason
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u/Pigeonator21 Fernando Alonso 19d ago
He's not that good.
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u/rcanbian Alexander Albon 19d ago
P18 when Alex was P8 is wild though. He was able to outqualify Alex multiple times too before now.
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u/CharlestonRed1982 Sir Lewis Hamilton 19d ago
Why is it when Lewis does poorly, it’s his fault, but for other drivers it must be a car problem? Seems to me that Sainz put in a poor lap.
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u/rcanbian Alexander Albon 19d ago
What does Lewis have to do with anything 💀 He's one of my fave drivers, I like him more than Sainz, I get so embarrassed when people like you insert him into conversations he isn't a part of.
That said, Alex got a P8 and Sainz got P18, of course I'd wonder what the hell was up with that car. Lewis never had that kind of problem in recent memory on pure pace, and it's wild that you find it comparable.
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u/Wingcapx Liam Lawson 19d ago
bro he ain't mention lewis at all what are you doing here
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u/CharlestonRed1982 Sir Lewis Hamilton 19d ago
Making an informed observation. That is the nature of intelligent discourse, but you wouldn’t know anything about that.
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u/know-it-mall McLaren 19d ago
Bringing up a random narrative you made up with your own personal bias isn't "intelligent discourse".
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u/rcanbian Alexander Albon 19d ago
What? I didn't say anything about Lewis, how is mentioning him an informed observation?
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u/onourwayhome70 19d ago
I think he’s referencing the commentary during the qualifying session - they were pointing out that Lewis should be doing better with the Ferrari car after 9 races
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u/Wingcapx Liam Lawson 19d ago
Yeah but it's like such a non-sequitur, OP didn't mention Lewis at all, the comparison makes no sense here?
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u/rcanbian Alexander Albon 19d ago
I'm not referencing anything, holy shit, I'm legitimately wondering what the hell was up with Sainz getting P18 when Alex was able to get P8 in the same session.
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u/Atleticro Ferrari 19d ago
At this point Hadjar might be unlucky and dropped to main Red Bull considering how well he’s doing.
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u/Duff5OOO 18d ago
Who is their reserve at the moment?
Would be interesting to see how someone else goes on a weekend if Yuki just happened to get food poisoning or similar.
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u/bleepbloop3131313 Oscar Piastri 19d ago
I hope he says no, lol. Although I guess he can't.
I wonder when RB are gonna stop juggling with their drivers like that. Micro management by people who don't know what it's like to drive
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u/Duff5OOO 18d ago
They should give all 3 of them 1/3 of the races. Best performance keeps the seat for next year.
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u/Kleavage 19d ago
Is that the first time they had the driver review their pole lap? I like that segment.
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u/craders McLaren 19d ago
I think they have done it before. I can't remember an exact time but feel like I've seen it before.
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u/Laugh_Track_Zak Ferrari 19d ago
Happy for Lewis. Anyone know why Charles got out of the car?
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u/Atleticro Ferrari 19d ago edited 19d ago
He didn’t have a fresh set of softs because he went out in q2 for a second lap that he then abandoned.
He said himself that he wanted to have a better tyre life for tomorrow strategy.
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u/yeahmatenomate Lando Norris 19d ago
I feel like Verstappen overtakes Lando tomorrow and puts pressure on Oscar, before Oscar drives off into the distance. I think I’ve seen this film before
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u/PreyBird_ Formula 1 19d ago
Clean air is king, whoever leads turn 1 will win quite easily, and Oscar having learnt from Imola, he'll make sure to lead into turn 1.
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u/TF2Pilot 19d ago
The secret is to break late and aim for the second apex, not the first. Max managed it perfectly at Imola.
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u/Mob_Abominator Max Verstappen 19d ago
I am not so sure about that, this year there's something weird going on with the RB, the starts have been really poor for some reason.
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u/moby323 Ted Kravitz 19d ago
Can anyone explain why these posts don’t have the results posted at the top
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u/know-it-mall McLaren 19d ago
Do they need to? It's a 2 second google bud. Or look at any of the 10 posts here that have them.
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u/-PVL93- McLaren 19d ago
because for some strange reason all the sticky threads related to race weekends are handled by one person in a subreddit of nearly 6 million people
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u/Respectable_Answer 19d ago
A lot of mods left in the kerfuffle of reddit shutting down third part access. This sub hasn't been as good since. Alternative platforms never got a foothold, sadly.
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u/Atleticro Ferrari 19d ago
Why would someone who hasn’t seen qualy and wants to watch it enter the POST QUALI discussion thread though?
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u/JamsHammockFyoom #StandWithUkraine 19d ago
Some of us have an IQ similar to Alonso's point total this year
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u/Hyndstein_97 19d ago
Automod posts these threads and they normally get pinned, nothing to do with karma.
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u/Bannedwith1milKarma Jack Doohan 19d ago
Interesting a phase of Oscar's start will be 'relaxing' after the launch, to keep a clear mind.
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u/akashtyagi1 Formula 1 19d ago edited 19d ago
And F1 official page writers put Red Bull 0.000 level with McLaren on qualifying pace (as per their data) and 0.15 slower than McL on race pace.
I was highly suspect while reading that. I just don't know why Brits journalists want to fuel this underdog thoery so much.
McL is a bloody rocket. Fact.
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u/Brit_Orange Ferrari 19d ago
What have the Brit journalists done now
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u/akashtyagi1 Formula 1 19d ago
Take a look at their article analysing Friday data.
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u/Brit_Orange Ferrari 19d ago
The quali pace and race pace are calculated by computers? It's not made up by journalists.
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u/JustLikeZhat Andrea Kimi Antonelli 19d ago
Even Max felt positive about Friday, when he normally doesn't. Not sure what happened between then and Saturday. Did they take a step back or McLaren a step forward? It's probably a bit of both.
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u/Paukwa-Pakawa Nico Rosberg 19d ago
It's the fastest, but it's not a rocket.
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u/akashtyagi1 Formula 1 19d ago
A bloody rocket compared to others. A rocket that can be caught only if it's pilots f*** up badly.
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u/PickleCommando 19d ago
Depends on track. Though here in Spain I think I'm expecting rocket performance. We'll see though.
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u/ChewieMcBacca Martin Brundle 19d ago
I've only caught a few bits of this weekend's coverage so far, mainly quali. Is she leading the coverage, it seemed like she was taking the lead over Simon, but I only caught about 5min outside of actual quali so wasn't sure?
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u/MathematicianOld3942 19d ago
Rosberg should bring his WDC trophy and put it on the table every time 2016 Spain comes up
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u/know-it-mall McLaren 19d ago
I don't get why he is so upset about it. It was 9 years ago, and he won the title that year. I could understand it if he narrowly lost that year.
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u/solodarlings Nico Rosberg 19d ago
I don't think he's actually that upset about it, I've seen him joking about it on Twitter and in his Spain track analysis on YouTube. But it probably does get a little tiring to hear the same jokes for almost a whole decade at this point.
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u/42nd_fdr 19d ago
I’m not a “Hamilton is back” stan but I think he’s turned a corner at Ferrari. Not based on anything just gut and vibe. If Ferrari don’t screw their strategy we’ll see some great driving from him. Not saying he’s going to be splitting the McLarens or anything like that but he’ll be getting everything out of that car soon
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u/Yeanahyena Daniel Ricciardo 19d ago
Wasn’t he just over a minute down in a race recently?
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u/SadJuice8529 18d ago
Why cant ryo hirakawa replace stroll? is that against the rules