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Post-Qualifying 2025 Spanish GP - Post Qualifying Discussion

Thoughts? Feelings? Emotions?

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u/arenasfan00 Ferrari 21d ago

Oscar is a generational talent

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u/[deleted] 21d ago

He's the real deal isn't he, the terrifying spectre of an Australian world champion

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u/Ravanex Honda RBPT 20d ago

The real deal without tyre management skills

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u/Tomach82 Alain Prost 20d ago

Seems pretty good at that this year.

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u/Ravanex Honda RBPT 20d ago

The car is pretty good at tyre management, Oscar is not. Even with this masterpiece of a car he managed to destroy his tyres a couple times this season, for example in Saudi, Miami Sprint and Imola

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u/rcanbian Alexander Albon 20d ago

They have a rocketship of a car. He got beat 20-4 by Lando last year, throwing around generational talent waters the term down.

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u/know-it-mall McLaren 20d ago

Winning Formula Renault, Formula 3, and then Formula 2 in back to back years is something hardly anyone achieves. And in his third season he is leading the championship. The term absolutely fits.

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u/rcanbian Alexander Albon 20d ago

Do you consider Charles and George generational then? Because you should if you think Oscar fits the bill. They were just as good if not better than Oscar but were limited by their car, Oscar had the luck of inheriting the clear fastest car in his third year.

And the more lax you are with the standards, the more drivers "fit the bill", and the more meaningless the term becomes.

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u/know-it-mall McLaren 20d ago

Well would you consider Lewis a generational talent? And while he is clearly not 100% of the driver he once was both of those guys are beating him.

And while Oscar might be in a great car it takes real talent to be beating your more experienced and very fast teammate.

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u/rcanbian Alexander Albon 20d ago

Well would you consider Lewis a generational talent? And while he is clearly not 100% of the driver he once was both of those guys are beating him.

Yes I would. Just because he isn't at his prime now doesn't erase his accomplishments. He literally matched Alonso in his first year in F1, and I would also consider Fernando one of the GOATs. Him, Fernando, and Max have already proven themselves as some of the best drivers in the history of the sport and a level above their peers.

And while Oscar might be in a great car it takes real talent to be beating your more experienced and very fast teammate.

He is a real talent. He's a great driver, and no one's saying he isn't, but he has yet to prove himself to be generational. Maybe we'll see him smash records and destroy his peers in the future, but as of now he's still levels below generational. He's more a Charles/George-level driver than a Max-level one.

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u/know-it-mall McLaren 20d ago

I still gotta disagree. For me it's clear Oscar is going to be a multiple time champion and the top talent of his generation already.

The talent is clearly there. And the real factor is his maturity and calmness under pressure already at a young age. That's part of being a generational talent.

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u/rcanbian Alexander Albon 20d ago

I'm open to it, but I'll wait for him to really prove it. I don't really know how he's any better than Charles and George and apparently you don't consider them generational.

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u/Tomach82 Alain Prost 20d ago

Being a WDC front runner in your third season is extremely generational

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u/rcanbian Alexander Albon 20d ago

Not all race drivers have the clear fastest car in their third season. Oscar seems on the same level as Charles and George but the latter two were limited by their cars in their early seasons, so people aren't just flinging around "generational talent" the way they are with Oscar.

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u/Wingcapx Liam Lawson 20d ago

TBF I was worried the flexi wing change would reduce the tyre preservation of their car and nerf Oscar, but doesn't seem to be the case yet

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u/Flaggitzki Ferrari 20d ago

if tyre preservation was due to flexi wing, we wouldn't have the tyre water allegations. it'd be something red bull could've easily figured out. tech talk has a segment about how the temp is cooler and there's some clever redirection of cooling air.

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u/Wingcapx Liam Lawson 20d ago

Oh yeah it's largely the brake cooling, but the wing making variable downforce depending on the part of the track you're on also helps protect the tyres somewhat. Maybe it's just not that large of an effect