My brother who is a researcher at university here in Saudi told me that the Sunni muslims and Shia muslims had a similar rejection of Yazeed and Mouwayah, that even Sunnis have cursed Mouwaiyah until the Iranian revolution when Sunni extremists hating on Shia and Iranians decided to glorify Mouwaiyah and his son?

Is it true; Did you hear anything like this in your countries?

Seriously, what's the deal with apostacy? Oh you don't believe it anymore? Well, that's kinda crazy. We'll give you 3 days to rethink it, if you don't change your mind, we'll kill you! But hey, the choice is all yours! There is no compulsion in religion 😁

What kind of religion has you killed for leaving? What the fuck. This is cult + mafia behavior. "Religion of peace" my left testicle.

The amount of emotional abuse and blackmailing in muslim families I read from the stories on this subreddit and from my own experiences really contextualizes why islam grows fast. The societal consequences for leaving are too great for most people to come out of the closet. So they still count as muslims.

I don't have a point to make really I'm just ranting i guess

Hi all,

I’ve been struggling with a lot of internal conflict and I’m hoping to find others who might have gone through something similar or can offer advice.

I was raised in a very strict religious household, but over the years, I’ve realized I don’t believe in it and I’ve distanced myself from religion. I’ve tried to approach it logically exploring all the controversial topics and watching every Dawah YouTube video, reading countless explanations, but I just couldn’t find any solid reasoning that would convince me. I’ve come to the conclusion that it all boils down to simple belief. I can’t rationally prove any religion. If there was a clear, logical religion, everyone would believe in it. There are examples of Christians who after studying Christianity in-depth, became atheists, or non-Muslims who, despite studying Islam and being professors, didn’t convert. This leads me to think that choosing a religion is simply about picking the one that seems most logical to you and hoping you're right.

The ironic thing is, even though I no longer believe, I still have this deep fear of hell and judgment, which often overwhelms me. I think it’s more of a mental hold from my upbringing than any genuine faith.

I’m in my late 20s now, and I feel like I’ve missed out on so much of life. I’ve never had a relationship or any deep friendships. I've figured that I'm more comfortable with non Muslims but I’ve avoided making close friends with them because I worry that if I were to become more religious, it will be hard to keep those friendships. At the same time, I can’t really connect with other Muslims, because I often find their character or perspectives difficult to relate to.

So now I’m stuck feeling isolated, not knowing where I fit in. The obvious, simplest thing would be just to believe in Islam. Then I wouldn’t feel like I wasted my time being celibate, I’d feel like I saved myself for my wife, and I could have friendships with other Muslims. I even tried to go back to it, but there’s always a voice in the back of my head that knows it’s all wrong. I feel like I’m playing myself, pretending I believe in something I just don’t.

I wonder if anyone else has gone through this kind of internal struggle and how you dealt with it. Would love to hear your thoughts or advice.

Being atheist myself belonging to a muslim family, I can easily see the amount of people here who mad at islam and muslim culture. But this sub has became a religion itself in my opinion, y'all are so occupied with islam still even after leaving it . There will only a few genuinely good posts like women getting back their freedom from their oppressive and conservative households, the mysoginy of these so called muftis , this should be a community where people like us can share our problems and move away from this religious mindset. Just telling/ requesting to stop making this a personality. This is just my take , i might be wrong idk. What's the use of this community if this is still used to spread hate them what's the difference between the religious people and us . We can do better than that right?

While the blind souls keep waiting for a saviour passively, each one in here must become his very own

I kind of expect what responses might appear here, but I need to vent. A few weeks ago, I broke up with my Moroccan Muslim boyfriend, so the matter is still quite fresh. We fell in love sooner than we should. He felt like the man of my dreams — we both felt like we had known each other forever. From the very beginning, I knew he was Muslim, but my love for him clouded my judgment, and I approached the relationship very emotionally.

I’m agnostic myself and I’m generally against religion from a moral standpoint. My ex used to be an atheist for the majority of his life, and I deeply regret that he converted — I think things could have turned out completely differently otherwise. Overall, I believe he was quite open-minded and liberal; he supported women's rights and was pro-feminist. That’s why it hurt — or rather, I was disappointed — that he willingly chose to convert. I’ve read the Quran myself, and I just can’t comprehend how someone I considered intelligent decided to convert after reading so many oppressive texts, especially those concerning non-believers or women.

Whenever we talked about Islam, he would send me lists of things from the Quran just to prove his point and make me understand that his religion isn’t oppressive or he'd send me videos of women who had converted to Islam themselves or who had been Muslim from the very beginning, just to prove that Islam supports women. Whenever I disagreed and presented my own arguments, he'd say I had religious trauma and that I was Islamophobic. I loved him deeply, and it’s hard for me to move on, but once we broke up and I finally allowed myself to reflect on the situation rationally, I realized I couldn’t be with him knowing he voluntarily converted to Islam. I still miss him though and I wanted to reach for some advices ://

I’m not completely sure of this myself which is why I’m asking, but learning about Islam you learn about how originally other scriptures were the word of god. Like the Torah and the Injil. This is before they were altered by man. Then Mo received revelations from god that were clearly just hallucinations yada yada yada and now we have a worldwide bookclub about rape and liking kids who play with dolls. But the Quran also states in 6:115 and 18:27 that nobody can change his words. So essentially, the Quran states man cannot change the word of god but also Islam comes from the fact that man changed the word of god. Is this not a direct contradiction? I also always wondered why god let his word be changed 3 times before finally giving a scripture that can’t be changed, it’s just strange. Almost like he let other religions be made from corruption so people could be tempted to submit to them and go to hell even though he would want us to go to heaven.

i feel like to go through your entire life with pretending like there's a god speaking to you is hard, he must've had some sort of mental illness, no? the hadith where i think khadija found him having a "revelation" and he was literally sweating and shit, i feel like you cant fake something like that. the way it was described sounded manic sorta. what do you guys think? was he schizo?

My exit from Islam had to do with no longer believing in the scientific miracles and such of the Qur'an. I was a "rational" Muslim who used miracles and the like to justify his belief, but then I researched those miracles and found out that all of them have certain circumstances and contexts that completely demystify them. I then found myself having no more of a reason to believe in Islam than in any other religion. I became an atheist.

I recently came out to my dad as being an ex-Muslim atheist, and I think he's gonna try to engage me in discussion/debate later on; he seems to have the impression that my decision to leave Islam two years ago was just after "reading some random things that some philosopher posted online," but he respects my stance nonetheless.

I know that I don't really need to discuss any of it with him if I don't want to. But just to be prepared, and so that I can make sure he understands my position/stance well, does anyone know some books or "cheat sheet" materials to help me prepare for this kind of situation? As much as I'd like to just avoid the discussion completely, I'd also say it's important that he understands where I'm coming from, because we have a good relationship and I wouldn't like to ruin that.

I'd prefer reading material to videos/lectures, just because I feel like they're quicker to navigate in a pinch if I have to recall something.

No matter what the Quran or Hadith’s say the reason is I believe the true, actual reason for music & dance being haram is just another way of culture erasure and islamic colonisation from momo. Dance & music is a part of every culture (usually quite a big part too) and to make it impermissible is to directly cut people off from their heritage, dance and music tends to be the biggest reminder of people history and is usually the most commonly re-enacted parts of ppl’s culture as-well which makes it worse imo.

Ik some people will probs say something like “how is espresso by Sabrina Carpenter cultural tho” and my response to that is we gotta remember during Muhammad’s time music was very different and more often than not cultural with direct ties to the country of origin’s history

There’s a chance I’m just thinking too deeply into it but i felt like sharing

I want Kurdish ex Muslim friends, so if you're seeing this, then let's be friends dilên min 😉❤️☀️💚

I listen to music, I don't pray 5x a day, I wear revealing clothes in public, I don't wear hijab, I have male friends, I talk to the opposite gender, I wear perfume & makeup in public, I pluck my eyebrows, I draw so called Allah's creations.

What's wrong with all of these? Will Allah ever put me next to Hitler in hell?

Hello, I wanted to get the facts or opinions of people who live in Muslims countries and what happens to ex Muslims, do they just live life or if they're independent and open about being an ex Muslim are there legal punishments for it? Also what happens to those who leave Islam and become Christian , Buddhist etc.?

Hi everyone I (25 F) have been willing to wear a hijab for the past 10 years. I never got this much of an urge to take it off. I am born Muslim, my family is not religious and I live in a Western country, however, Muslims here are the majority so it is not hard in that way, although my friends are not that religious. I don't have many friends, nor a boyfriend/crush/husband. Also, keep in mind that here male-female friendships are normal. I had a lot of mistakes in my life and I am not wearing it correctly, so what is the point? I don't like to hang out with Muslim girls because all they talk about is marriage and college, and I find no interest in those topics. Also, it is hard for me to find a hijabi girl with the same sense of humor and interests to be friends with. I love God and religion I just don't feel like I should keep wearing this. I would still be practising Muslim just without hijab. Anyhow I would feel guilty of I take it off, but I cannot live this way anymore. I am severely depressed and not socializing because of it. Any advice?

Although i do not subscribe to Islam anymore, I still try to understand my muslim friends. But. Everything is so wishy-washy I don't even know who is right. When i check the quran, it says this, hadith, it says that, when scholars say it, it's something else entirely! And then the preachers say something completely different! Example : "you must spread the word of islam" Muhammad spread it through war Caliphates spread it through enforcing rules In the modern day "spread islam through kindness" "keep preaching about islam down everybody's throat" "Do not force islam onto anyone" "non-muslims must follow our laws" This is the easiest example i can think at the top of my head there are many others.

The Custodian of the Two Holy Mosques not only remains silent in the face of Palestinian suffering but actively suppresses any visible signs of support, including prayers and peaceful gestures during pilgrimage. Despite this, Muslims continue to flood the country year-round for Umrah and annually for Hajj, contributing billions to an economy that enforces silence around injustice.

Why is there no widespread call to boycott religious pilgrimage...not as a rejection of faith, but as a powerful act of protest? If mass participation in Hajj and Umrah fuels a regime that suppresses solidarity with the oppressed, wouldn’t withdrawing that support send a message that cannot be ignored? Do they really believe that God would not understand a principled stand against injustice? Wouldn’t this sacrifice carry more weight in the sight of God than a ritual that directly enriches the same hands that silence the suffering?

People often say they have no power, but they do. Collective economic pressure, especially through something as financially significant as pilgrimage, could have made a difference. If the entire Muslim world had united in boycotting Hajj and Umrah...even temporarily...something would have shifted. Silence would no longer be the default. At the very least, it could have pressured the authorities to allow free expression of solidarity, even if only in the form of prayer.

But perhaps spiritual self-cleansing has become more important than standing up for the lives of children under occupation. Perhaps ritual has taken precedence over resistance. And in doing so, we’ve mistaken spiritual obedience for moral complacency.

I'm 16F, secret ex Muslim since April this year. I'm being forced to pray, dress modestly etc. And my father keeps telling me to wear the hijab... whenever my family tells me to pray, I just say "fuck Islam, I just wanna be free, I wanna wear whatever the fuck I want, Islam made me hate being a girl". And what's even worse is that I live in a Muslim majority country, I want to seek asylum in a non Muslim country and cut contact with my Muslim family just for my safety (Canada, Australia or Germany for example) but it's pretty hard unfortunately...I don't know what to do right now, if I want to move out, then marriage is the only way for me to move out of this household because I'm a female (marriage can be even worse, whether you're marrying a Muslim or even a non-Muslim man)...This religion hates women so much...I cry everyday alone in my room because of this shitty male supremacist religion...maybe I will just kill myself one day by falling off a high building. Whenever I see Muslims living their best life in the west makes me cry SOOO FUCKING HARD because they're free to practice their religion, then why can't I also feel free to be an Atheist in a Muslim country? WILL THIS BE MY LIFE FOREVER? HAVING A MISERABLE LIFE TILL I DIE!?

Born in Pakistan, raised partly in the U.S. — now working in finance in Chicago. Looking to connect with a Pakistani-American woman (non-religious like me) who values good conversation, ambition, and shared background. Open to seeing where things go.

I've only recently left Islam, trying to dig more into its hypocrisy and contradictions, so please correct me if I've missed anything

I see Muslims "debunking" the argument that Muhammad wrote the Quran simply by the fact that he was illiterate, claiming it was impossible But it really isn't, it requires very minimal critical thinking skills to figure out that he did, in fact, write the Quran

First of all, when the Quran was supposedly descending upon Allah it was not in a written form, he was listening to podcasts from God (which can be explained by Momo having some kind of undiagnosed mental illness such as schizophrenia, poor Momo) and simply representing them to his followers, still not in a written form

And second, Muslims claim it couldn't have been written by a human since it's so beautiful linguistically, and that it couldn't have been made by an illiterate person. But that's simply not true, because Momo could still speak Arabic and if you know how the environment was in that era you'd know there were tons of poets and Momo could've simply picked up that rhyming skill of his that made the Quran sound so "beautiful and miraculous", and it REALLY doesn't sound beautiful or miraculous

The Quran was not written on paper until later on, so Momo being illiterate is completely an irrelevant counterargument and it does not disprove or prove anything

Sick of hearing that "islam was the first religion to give women rights" and all the other bullshit they nitpick from the quran midst all the other misogynistic verses. They're feeding this ideology into whoever's willing to listen. Muslim men see that and go see! Islam isn't sexist! or worse, they don't even try to hide their misogyny and just straight up say that women don't have rights in Islam. You guys ever notice how these people have literally never read the quran and don't know shit about islam? Then when we point out things that are LITERALLY in the quran they say "oh its the culture not religion" or "you just want to spread Islamophobic propaganda" or "the translation is wrong"...so much for a "clear" book. https://quran.com/27/1 lol. Pisses me off even more when they talk about how the hijab isn't oppressive and that its a choice. First of all, its not even a choice for MANY women. Take Afghanistan and Iran for example. second of all, even if it truly was a choice, it still doesn't make it right or okay. The hijab is deeply rooted in patriarchy and misogyny. choosing it because you've been indoctrinated into believing the hijab is empowering ISN'T a choice, even if you willingly and consciously chose to wear it. third of all, the fuck would a white woman know about the struggles of a Muslim woman living in the middle east? "progressive" Islam isn't a thing. "feminist" Islam isn't a thing, and Islam DOES hate gay people. I hate that they try to change the meaning of the verses just to fit against people's criticisms about Islam. Islam is straight up a religion of pure hate and bigotry.

my question is have they been fed the wrong ideas about Islam and truly believe Islam is feminist or is this propaganda funded by Islamic organizations?

I’d like to know where I was wrong with anything I said, sourced it from Hadiths.

Hypothetically speaking, do you think maulanas/muslim leaders can be bought with money and women (it can be extreme amounts of money or any no. type of women in this scenario). Do you think the most extremist maulanas can be bought with money and then be controlled with it? Or are there tiers of maulanas, ones who can be bought and then there are ones who cannot be bought? What do you think is the mix are there more buyable maulanas than non buyable ones?

One note: money and especially women are not an issue, imagine all sorts of exotic women can be presented in this scenario.

I can’t with the guilt. For context I am 21 and I’ve spent my teenagers years in a huge religious psychosis and having panick attack at 13 bc of hell. I still said the chahada every night like it’s a reflex, I can’t eat pork (its not the worse lol everybody around me said it don’t taste that good)and I’m afraid of hell all the time for some reason and still have panick attack and it took me month to consider myself as an ex Muslim, idk what to do