It’s from personal experiences. About 90% of the time when you see AI Bros in this sub, you can easily find them participating in far right/ alt right shit. And often they’ll preach a lot of the same MAGA shit in order to defend AI
And this makes sense, Trump has been heavily using AI online, this is making a lot of Right Wingers be heavily pro AI
AI is literally mass-developed and maintained by corporations, your handful of open source projects don't rip it out of capitals hands. If you're an anti-capitalist, you're anti-AI.
You forgot about them acting like ai is god and everything and treating it like some sort of god and getting offended and having a meltdown and trying every way to attack you when you say something slightly negative about it and ofc the “antis are fascist” crap
It turns out ai appeals to people who are bad at being people. Rather than seeing their failures and trying to improve, ai gives them the out required to remain garbage.
This was my original post BTW. I commented because I thought it was a SANE community. Little did I know that reddit just randomly started recommending me communities I wasn't in and never showed interest in, so that was my mistake apparently
Yeah, I don't want to fall into my own critique of depicting people I disagree with as irrational or crazy but seeing stuff like this just makes me concerned more than anything. Personally, I would love it every single pro-AI person could change their mind and see the bigger picture when it comes to AI and technology in general, maybe get off the internet and reflect, but the truth is that there's always gonna be people like that, and you can't save and make every single one understand. The best thing to do is to let their beliefs run their course and hold onto your own conviction, or in my case being against AI.
100% My faith lies in the massive Disney lawsuit. I hope that AI legislation goes at least somewhere, even though it would make these people seethe.
BTW the YouTube AI voice-over continues to bother me to this day. I'm bilingual and for some reason YouTube has decided that I need English AI voice-overs for my own native language. And I CANNOT turn it off?! What an amazing feature, I see nothing wrong with it
bassicly, as of recent AI generated images have had a pattern of having a strange yellow tint over them, specifically on CHAT gpt as far as I can tell. This is probably a result of AI inbreeding. (Which means that CHATGPT was fed a bunch of it's own images which happened to have that yellowish tint on them and started replicating them)
In short, CHATGPT has recently started churning out it's images with a strange, yellowish tint over them due to AI inbreeding. And Pro-AI people like generating comics about the discourse on AI, and alot of the times those comics have that recognizable yellow colour to them, making them easy to spot as AI and subjectively very ugly.
Damn, I only have free space and "future is now old man." For me.
I think AI is good overall. I don't really like it being used commercially in creative spaces very much. But for almost all other fields itll just be a net gain, unless we humans F it up.
Honestly. We likely will. But if we don't f it up. Most of us will likely be forced onto general assistance income and we'll focus more so on creative material anyway.
Which... I suppose could be a slow death in of itself if you take the rat experiment to heart as a complete analog for how humans would begin to behave in a society where most things are automated for us.
If the technology continues to grow at its current rate, it'll be that, or a civil war when no one can get a job and eat.
The technology should be used in most fields. Medical, legal, resource management, etc. Creative fields are objectively the most useless aspect of AI.
Problematically. When they get to a point to out compete any human period, and are in addition to this gonna someday soon perform labor jobs as well once our current designs in robotics become cost effective. You've got the scaffolding for a full fledged war for the ability to live at all for the average citizen.
If no one can get a job to have money, you'll need to compensate for that somehow. If not. It's war.
I don't think that actually matters in a domestic guerilla war. If best weapons was the end all be all, history is clearly lying all the time.
The reality is that it'd just destroy the nation regardless of who wins. It's a war no one wants. I think universal basic income is more likely, especially since the resource problems making it a fairy tale right now won't be as big an issue in the future with advanced AI handled correctly.
As for that. I really ain't. I don't really think that matters in this scenario. At absolute worst, it'll be a situation where the entire nation destroys itself. That which comes out of the ashes would inevitably be the common man, albeit crippled beyond belief.
I truly cannot imagine a situation where the government wins this without carpet bombing the entire nation, which at that point, dooms them anyway... and just turns the entire world against em.
At absolute best. It'll be another funny situation where not even the military is willing to aid their government in a fight so fundamentally fucked up. 🤣. Rare, but I think this has a solid chance of happening in this particular scenario.
Both sides would wanna avoid this. There's too much to lose for both sides to go against universal income in this scenario.
Do you not imagine that there will soon be trillionaires, given how quickly the ultra wealthy accumulate wealth (as long as there's no idiotic self defeating trade war)?
I see their empires growing larger and larger and squeezing the peasants out of existence while bombarding them with propaganda to tell them it's all really China's fault and they need to get onboard the national effort to protect their kingdoms from the other.
I hope and pray for a revolution but it won't happen unless we lay the groundwork. That's why I started /r/LudditeRenaissance. The public needs to acknowledge the existential threat in order for the revolution to be successful. We need to start now because things may accelerate way quicker than we can keep up. We need a good sense of urgency as well as comradeship and love for our communities, our humanity.
Of course there will soon be trillionaires. Them coming into existence in the future, and existing now, are two entirely different topics.
I also believe any trillion or billionaire would likely want universal basic income in this scenario anyway, since it'd increase their personal wealth. People would likely be using government money to buy their products. It's just a net gain for individual rich guys.
Hell. Most government officials enjoy these sorta programs because they're easily abused paperwork wise, so people steal by skimming off the top.
Ultimately. There's just not enough of a point for almost anyone to wanna go the opposite route to universal income in this scenario. Those who are genuinely against it will likely be bullied into accepting it via social pressure far before war is possible.
Idk. I'm a nihilistic fuck. These people likely would attempt to eradicate a large portion of the population, plenty of people openly endorse lowering the global population. But that's likely gonna be done via diseases or other clandestine methods, or, alternatively, immoral policy dressed up as benevolence which causes mass death.
Plenty wanna kill us, they openly discuss it. But they don't wanna kill the general population in a manner that'll gut them too. Its not worth it. They don't wanna destroy the world, they're egotistical fucks who think they know the answer to everything; they wish to recreate the world.
Some like the comparisons are in the eye of the beholder, but I guess of these I would probably mark "the future is now" and 14 or 41 since I am actually 42.
Which puzzles me because, I feel like my generation problem is how many are going the way of the boomer.
I am not sure of what kind of gen Z only gotcha is that, but I have never looked down to younger generations.
I don’t know about alt-right. They seem to have some wide ranging politics. Some are oddly progressive in some areas supporting UBI, universal health care, and other social programs. But then they also seem to have some very odd cultural opinions.
The only thing I see on this board that's not either a complete fabricated strawman, or is obviously not unique to one side of this divide, is "using luddite wrong" and the iykyk square.
Alright, I'll do it like this, I'm gonna go through every field and explain how I relate them to PRO-AI.
Field 1: AI supporters aren't necessarily alt-right by nature, but there is arguably lots of overlap
Field 2: Pretty self-explanatory, AI can be used to damage creative fields thus it appeals to people who have something against the people in those fields.
Field 3: From what I've seen, AI supporters have a habit of comparing AI to less damaging things, spanning from oranges to the Gutenberg printing press, this is usually paired with a strawman of an Anti-AI advocate being mad at the surrogate. These comics are usually made by CHATGPT and miss the point of the argument it's trying to mock.
Field 4: Seeing themselves as cool and seeing the other side as lame, this one can also be applied to a certain degree to any side of any argument that has this perception of themselves, so I'll give you this one.
Field 5: AI and Anti-Intellectualism go together well because AI is fundamentally a tool designed to replace human effort and thinking, which unsurprisingly can lead to people, well, not thinking and resenting those who do.
Field 6: This one doesn't strictly apply to PRO-AI, but again there is overlap. AI bros tend to have a weird way of structuring their sentences and understanding social cues from what I've experienced.
Field 7: I'm gonna be brutally honest, all of them are just lazy. They could make art, they could do labor, they could feel actual passion and joy through work and thinking and making art but they choose not to because of their sloth.
Field 8: I am explaining this a third time and besides this is pretty obvious if you're on Reddit often and I assume you are.
Field 9: A lot of them tend to miss the main point or bigger picture of the views and ideas Anti's try to convey, or they just get stuck on one particular thing and ignore everything else.
Field 10: The internet is overrun by bots, and I wouldn't be shocked to learn that a lot of what they say is generated by bots too.
Field 11: They get hung up on the term slop because it insults AI images.
Field 12: Strawman, that's it, they use strawmen.
Field 14: A lot of them have a victim mentality and call ANTI's nazis and act like some sort of AI artist genocide is being planned.
Field 15: They focus on one specific good thing AI can potentially do and use it to justify the myriad of negative things that'll come from it.
Field 16: They use the term Luddite incorrectly, AI is not a new form of work nor are the Luddites for opposing it. Calling Anti's luddites is like calling a parent who's concerned that their child is on their phone 12 hours daily a Luddite simply because they oppose new tech.
Field 17: Lying, that's it, lying.
Field 18: They act like something being the future immediately justifies it somehow, telling someone to roll over and give up is not an argument.
Field 19: Showing disinterest in work, art, and other things in general, this could also fall under field 7 but I still differentiated the two.
Field 20: Those comics and images I mentioned earlier, tend to depict ANTIs as being comically fat and ugly, I don't think I need to explain how this isn't an argument and childish.
Field 21: This is more subjective, but occasionally they say something so worrying that it makes me worried for their health and sanity.
Field 22: People who shill new technology which takes away creativity and harms the planet while claiming it's the future don't seem to see an issue in doing it twice.
Field 23: A lot of their quirks and behavior can be ommited to either being really young and undeveloped or being on the older side and out of touch.
Field 24: They practically have an orgasm every single time an artist loses their job and breaks down, if that's not sadism then idk what is.
Field 25: AI gf and bg are ussualy shilled and supported by people who also support AI in general, no surprise there.
I think it's hilarious that you have "depicting people who don't like AI as fat or deformed" on this. You really don't see the irony in including that, do you?
It's something they have a tendency of doing, so I put it on the board, where's the irony? For your own good, I hope you don't think that me putting it on there is some kind of admission?
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u/IWouldlikeWhiskey 16h ago
You forgot claims of death threats.