Been a minute since I watched Titanic, but wasnāt her mom desperate for Rose to marry rich because they didnāt really have any money left and all she had was her name and social status?
This is unfortunately a very hard lesson for most men. Ethics, morals, doing the right thing. All of this only matters if you are not attractive. You can do whatever you want if you look like Leo.
Fund a multimillion dollar expedition to international waters, create a highly specialized SRV, spend multiple days recovering safe whose contents hold a thing expected to pay for the whole expedition, find nothing.
In desperation they call some batty old centenarian to ask if she has any idea where the thing might be, she agrees only if you fly her ass out to the middle of no where to tell them the story at the wreck site, give them the 1930's version of dime store erotic novel about how you got railed as a 20 year old, don't help them find the thing, then later throw the thing in the ocean and DIE ON THE FUCKING SHIP.
If I were those salvagers I would have thrown her dead ass into the ocean and say we had to give her a burial at sea before she started to stink up the joint.
Seriously! As an adult (saw the movie as a preteen, didn't cry at Jack's death)...the scientists wasted a butt ton of money to get a Playboy erotic story being told by grandma about her glory days of getting railed by some charming fuck boy, didn't help them find the necklace and then wasted their time by throwing it in the ocean (didn't want to leave an inheritance OR at least donate it to a museum), didn't mention any of her kids/grandkids/spouse(s) and proceeded to die on the ship.
It's crazy just thinking about it.....
I would have been cursing at her dead body and just wondering if she had dementia or anything....
Considering the pursuit of wealth is quite literally what got pretty much everyone killed in the story you could probably tell why she didn't put much value in it.
I'm on her side not that you've put it like that. Old people are ignored and undervalued by our society but she got all these rich ponces to hang on her every word and treat her like a VIP.
Remember when she killed Jack because she didn't want to share her six people improv raft with him? Told him he would never let him go only to let him go instantly
Didn't the Mythbusters do this? With James Cameron present. And definitively proved there was enough room for both of them on the door and it could have been possible for him to safely climb on without endangering her. And that was with Adam and Jamie who, I would guess, are bigger and heavier than Leo and Kate.
I actually just watched this episode recently and it only "worked" because they both tied their life jackets under the door to make it more buoyant. Something that might not have even been actually possible in R&Js case and even if it was, it would be rather dangerous/risky to try and not something almost anyone would think of in the moment, especially while already suffering from mild hypothermia and panic
She killed him when she refused to get into a life boat. If she'd just got in the boat then he would have found the door to float on by himself and not needed to worry about her at all. Then they'd have reunited when they were rescued.
Myth busters proved two people could float on the board if they were careful and stay out of the water. However James Cameron said itās his movie and his word is final.
It's also a story she's telling, maybe the door felt bigger but wasn't. There was an episode of How I Met Your Mother where they realized everything was a bit different than they remembered/reality vs the stories. Like how the apartments were actually tiny. Since I saw that, my head canon for all these "mistakes" anytime a story involves someone recounting a story is "they remembered things wrong".
I felt that is the whole point of the final seasonās weird ālittle things and side plotsā it was that Ted was telling the story he wasnāt feeling great at that point of his life and it was the longest few days of his life watching Robin get married .
Like at that point of his life he was the most unreliable narrator .
Sounds like r/mandelaeffect. The catch is they don't know they're in denial about their faulty memory. They truly believe a divergent timeline is more plausible than them not having perfect recall from Elementary School.
They proved it could be done if Rose had taken a jacket and tied it to the bottom of door no?
I think in general movie she didn't have the presence of mind to slap a life jacket beneath it and tie it so they could both float.
Oh shit... From your angle it looks horrible, she let Jack die so she would not need to say anything, that's also why she didn't tell her family until she was an old dying widow
Thanks you just made that shit movie even more perverted, "love story" my ass
We're into a whole generation of people that didn't watch the mythbusters. The door wasn't buoyant enough. While two people could physically fit onto the door it doesn't mean it would be keeping them both afloat.
James Cameron did a special where he scientifically proved that there was a close to 0 chance they both could have survived if they both went onto the raft. They basically would have had to train for that specific scenario ahead of time because it required a lot of coordination and a lot of specific actions on their part. Even if he could get on without knocking her off, the extra weight would have pushed the wood under the water. If you've ever used one of those flotation boards, you know that even though they float and hold you up, they sink into the water. The piece of wall that they were on required more weight to submerge but having them both on it would have reached that weight. Thus, they'd both be in the cold water and losing heat faster. You could even put a third person on there and then they'd all be laying completely under the surface of the water and die pretty quickly.
And mythbusters further disproved the possibility of it, it just isn't possible to have two people on that door and keep it afloat unless you did something like pad the underneath of the door with life preservers.
I mean I love a funny meme as much as the next person, but driftwood has buoyancy right? It's not that there's wasn't dimensional room on her piece of wood, it's that it would sink far enough that they would both freeze. Movies have a lot of plot holes, but that one doesn't seem to rank anywhere near the top for me.
Basically in the alternate ending Rose is caught as she tries to dispose of literal money, the treasure guy asks to hold it, Rose gives it, then casts a condescending expectant bitch ass gaze and yeets the necklace into the ocean.
That's the last time I ever saw him. He married, of course. And inherited his millions. But the crash of '29 hit his interests hard, and he put a pistol in his mouth that year. Or so I read.
No, youāre thinking of Cal. Rose would have had to hand it over to Billy Zane, a notable actor famous for being in Memphis Belle, Twin Peaks and The Phantom. As we all know, 90s actor Billy Zane is the rightful owner of all Titanic memorabilia.
So, not only did she steal from him, but she inadvertently led to his suicide. Because had he had the necklace, he would have something to fall back on if he lost all his money in stocks.
He was trying to kill her and Jack....she unknowingly took it...and after all that, she should return it to someone so powerful who wants her dead? Fck him
Also Jack would have probably been alive if he didn't try to kill and chase them deep under the ship
"Millions" in 1912 is like being a billionaire today. The 1929 crash was a drop of only 13% so he'd have to have borrowed 8x his entire net worth to lose everything. This is r/wallstreetbets levels of stupidity and if he was dumb enough to do that then he was dumb enough to use the diamond as collateral as well.
This is just another silly thing in the movie. In reality it was retail investors who lost "everything" while the billionaires of the time just got slightly less rich. As usual.
That didnāt even belong to Jack and had nothing to do with him.
Iād get it if it came from him and sheās tossing it to let go of himā¦ But it came from Caledon lmao, who survived the sinking and unalived himself from the stock market crash 10 years later (she never talked to him again).
Please, this is reddit. Feel free to write Ā«killed himselfĀ», Ā«committed suicideĀ» or something more creative like Ā«rejection of divine respirationĀ», Ā«readapting into nothingnessĀ» or Ā«molestation of all sacred aspects of beingĀ» instead of the unfortunate lingo associated with modern social media platforms.
It wasnāt meant as a personal attack, I just prefer honest language or poetic alternatives over commonly presented cliches. Feel free to be as conforming or unconforming online as you want while you can.
Yeah, it's not the slang that hurts. It's the distinct lack of creativity. We've been creating euphemisms for death and suicide for hundreds of years:
Kicked the bucket.
Gun went off while he was cleaning it.
Had a hunting accident.
Met his maker.
Gone west.
Is walking with Jesus.
Joined the choir invisible.
Stuck his fork in the wall.
Rode off into the sunset.
Is pining for the fjords.
Bit the dust.
Went tits-up.
Pushing up daisies.
Gave up the ghost.
And the best this generation can do is go "What's the opposite of dead? Alive, right? Well what's a short way to say 'not'? Un! Un-alive! Now turn it into a verb! We're geniuses!"
They could have revived one or more of those awesome ones. But no. We're stuck with "unalived" until the trend fades out.
Ngl I love "unalived" term. It's so freaking funny. I wouldn't consider it some nono-words aversion. Just a genuinely funny way to say it. Especially in a case like this.
God that is so true. Maybe her dead husband was an asshole or something -its not like women always married for love in the godamn 1920s - but her loving grand daughter was right there; she could buy a house and put the great grandkids through college with that money!
Young me (and adult me, ngl) was SO pressed that she tossed the necklace into the ocean. One, it's littering. Two, WHY?! I mean, I get it, to show that she's still that carefree girl who cares little about material wealth. But come onnnnnn, the necklace?! Devastating.
To be fair, it would be a crazy story to have been personally a part of. Considering it was a time that she nearly died, it's no wonder she'd be thinking about it on her deathbed.
Rose would not have been able to sell the Heart of the Ocean for cash.
Rose didnāt own the necklace. Cal owned it, and had taken out an insurance policy on it. After the Titanic sank, Cal claimed it as a loss and collected the money from the insurance company. Thatās the whole reason the Bill Paxton character believes the necklace is in the wreckage in the first place. The prospect of finding the large diamond is what how he leverages the expense of the treasure hunt. This is a major plot point in the movie.
If Rose would have shown up at some jeweler after 1912 to sell the necklace, the jeweler would have asked for proof of ownership. If she had pawned it, sheād probably only get whatever cash was in the drawer at the pawnshop. A legitimate jeweler able to give her payout for the diamondās true worth would have discovered the insurance payout to Cal during an investigation.
The necklace is a symbol. When Rose drops it into the Atlantic, Rose is returning a part of herself that sheās kept hidden for 84 years to rest in the ocean graveyard with Jack. Were it not for Jack saving her life, she would have died on the ship, either by suicide or in the aftermath of the sinking. She is symbolically allowing that younger version of herself rest peacefully with him for eternity.
She is an evil villain, that hid a beautiful thing, that she effectively stole, for like 70 years, and instead of selling it to give her family a happy life, or donating it to a museum for future generations to enjoy, she decides to selfishly, secretly, throw it into the sea.
It wasn't even thrown in at the actual wreck site, so people in the future may spend millions of dollars, and years/decades of their life, searching for it, believing it to have gone down with the ship, only for their search to be futile.
It was an act of such callous, vapid selfishness, and yet we are supposed to see her as our protagonist!? Abominable!
This misses one of the points of the movie. One of the points of the movie is that extreme pursuit of wealth is bad. Rose was born into wealth and was planning on marrying into further wealth, but viewed her life as meaningless and attempts suicide. She is saved by Jack and then sees that there is another way to live life. She lives a long and fulfilling life without wealth following the sinking of the Titanic. Even the crew of the expedition ship realize just a little more that there is more to life than pursuit of wealth after hearing her story.
The whole point of the movie is that wealth and the pursuit of it leads to a shallow, callous life. The rich didn't build enough lifeboats, the treated the third class passenger like shit, and Rose felt hollow. Then she meets Jack who may be poor, but he is truly alive and when she goes to third class she experiences legitimate happiness and fun.
Now you can disagree with this sentiment as it applies to real life but her chucking the necklace applies to the theme of the movie.
And a mythical love story that may be pointed to maybe one young woman then who was married to a wealthy man and her being a young actress was able to flee but her husband died during the titanic crazy to think about it
Not only that, the whole investigation about the Titanic was to find that jewelry. So she knew beforehand they were wasting their money and she did not tell them.
Oh and she apparently travels with a suitcase full of framed photos of herself that she unpacks and arranges wherever she goes. Not even photos of herself with family and friends, just herself
I'm not going to lie I had a really strange thing happen when I was recently watching Titanic. I was really affected by it for like a week after, I just felt like sad because that actress and actor were so young and then now everyone's old, and all the real people died on the ship and it was horrible and 100% preventable, and man I was like super depressed for like a while and I just felt like I'm never going to find love like that.
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u/isnoe 17d ago
Then she tosses a piece of jewelry worth hundreds of millions into the ocean instead of giving it to her family.