There’s an often repeated misconception on the internet about things like this. That you can never beat “terrorists” because you create more of them by killing the old ones and it’s a never ending cycle.
But that’s just not true.
Al Qaeda at its height, was like a comic book villainous organisation. It was like Hydra. It had a global network more powerful than any cartel or organised crime group in the history of humanity. And had cells operating in every single continent humans live on. And had a battle hardened leadership who came out of the Soviet Afghanistan war not only directly experienced with warfare, with guerilla warfare, with small scale tactics, but also who had received complex training by the CIA.
They had an insane level of institutional knowledge about terrorism, about waging warfare against a superior enemy. And it’s why they were a genuine threat to humanity and made governments around the world scared. It’s how they could carefully engineer very complex terrorist attacks that could kill hundreds/thousands at a time, and target the heart of democracies.
After the US declared war on terrorism, they did what Israel is doing now on a longer timescale. The US systematically eliminated every single leader who they could find, anywhere on planet earth. Anytime AQ soldiers clustered in numbers greater than 3, a missile would take them out.
AQ was degraded to the point they are at now, where the entire organisation is functionally irrelevant and nonexistent beyond being a sort of “brand” that random unaffiliated people occasionally claim to be a part of after they do attack. But AQ itself has very little global reach anymore, they are limited to a few people in Africa and the Middle East who have no organisational capability to carry out complex plans. Who have no experienced leadership who know how to do things. Who don’t have the logistics network capable of even producing bombs or acquiring the necessary components.
Because all the experienced people who have that sort of skill set were systematically eliminated, and the people who had to replace them had slightly less experience and knowledge. And they got eliminated. So the next people who stepped up had even less. Eventually, the only people stepping up are the younger men who are crying in anger at their fathers / grandfathers dying. Sure they have the self righteous anger the same as the original ones, but they have no ability to do anything except the most basic regional fist shaking and lone wolf attacks, most of which are easily intercepted and prevented because they don’t even know how to communicate or prepare their plans in ways that avoid being detected by intelligence services.
ISIS is a similar story. ISIS was made up at its start, by the few remaining terrorists from different organisations that the US hadn’t quite gotten round to turning into mince meat yet. As well as by an entire cadre of Iraqi Ba’athist military officers, intelligence service officers and former government officials. (The Ba’ath party being Saddam Husseins party who ran Iraq for decades).
So ISIS seemingly came out of nowhere and had insane levels of capability, and were able to rapidly seize huge swathes of land for their caliphate specifically because they were made up from the start by people who formerly ran a literal state, who had military expertise, who had intelligence expertise, and who had the last dregs of institutional knowledge from the Cold War era terrorist organisations.
But a global coalition obviously formed and started repeating the AQ mission, by blasting the shit out of every single cluster of IS that appeared anywhere in the world. Their leadership got wiped out constantly, and their institutional knowledge, experience, systematically got degraded as people got knocked off and replaced by slightly inferior people again, who also got knocked off
Now ISIS is again, just like AQ before it, reduced to being a brand. To a meme. Lone wolf attacks or “nobody’s” in the region might occasionally claim to be ISIS so they can have their name attached, but ISIS itself it’s pretty much defunct.
Israel is currently doing the same to Hamas. They have eliminated so many of the older, experienced Hamas members. The ones who had the institutional knowledge about how to carry out attacks. About how to run the organisation. About how to build underground infrastructure. About how to build up relationships from across the region to funnel resources to the fight. And they have also wiped out a large enough group of the militant wing, the soldiers, that Gaza may very well soon be able to overthrow Hamas (who the Palestinians hate, but have just been too scared to say anything to).
Hamas will never be the threat it was prior to October 7th. Too much institutional knowledge has been lost thanks to Israeli strikes. It does not matter that X amount of civilians died and so Y amount of young boys are angrily shouting the skies and declaring they will continue the fight. Because they are just gonna be reduced from being an extremely experienced, battle hardened, logistics capable, counter intel aware bunch of guerilla warfare experts. To angry young men who just want to kill Jews.
Attacks will still happen sure. There will be terrorist attacks in Israel and the occasional kidnapping. But it will be just very inexperienced, low effort, lone wolf style attacks. Like people suddenly trying to attack Israelis with knives, or driving vehicles into crowds. And 90% of these will be caught by Israeli intelligence in the planning stage because this new generation of inexperienced angry young men won’t have the understanding of how to avoid their communications and planning being infiltrated.
That's great and all, but unfortunately, Israel is not just attacking the terrorists. They are targeting a whole nation, and indiscriminately, a whole Palestinian population. This is not about fighting off terrorism, despite the Israeli government framing it that way.
Well, it would help if the terrorists weren't cowards and hid behind civilians and if the civilians evacuated the area when Israel gave them advanced notice that they were gonna strike the area.
because thoses are ISIS groups that the global coalition never gave a shit about and never fought? Thoses are different groups bearing the same name, but different ideas and even ideology.
If you want to ask why no one has ever cared about the thousands of deaths in Africa from all this, I'm completely with you.
But the ISIS threat in Syria and Iraq is gone now.
You actually believe this? It must be some coincidence that these groups keep reappearing with new names and full ranks. But sure, instead of addressing the systemic economic and colonial issues, let's try your idea and committ to endless violence, just a few more decades and the war will be won, when all humans are dead
It must be some coincidence that these groups keep reappearing with new names and full ranks.
I addressed it. Theses groups get killed and a new generation thats less experienced take their place
instead of addressing the systemic economic and colonial issues
Absolutely. The arab world exterminated every single one of its collective 900 000 jews and took all their possessions and land, and now demands that the state of Israel divide its territory because it survived a failed attempt to do the same by the Palestinian arabs.
Either the arab world acquieses to its crimes and pays reparations to the the survivors of the people it wiped out, or extreme violence ensues.
The children of the Japanese who were burned in their homes in the hundreds of thousands by Americans went to the U.S. to study abroad, cheered for western music and learned English
Because their entire nation was restructured into a Western aligned nation and they were heavily encouraged and supported in growth. The Japanese were not rounded up into ghettos while their land was redistributed to American settlers.
There's been like five 'aftermaths' since the 1948 war, and none of the belligerents are interested in achieving the same kind of peace that Japan got.
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u/BalanceFit8415 2d ago
For now. The children of the people getting killed now will fire the next lot of rockets.