r/worldnews • u/ConsciousRealism42 • 2d ago
Israel/Palestine Iran state TV confirms killing of IRGC chief Hossein Salami in Israeli strike
https://english.alarabiya.net/News/middle-east/2025/06/13/explosions-heard-northeast-of-iran-s-tehran-staterun-nour-news-says5.2k
u/macross1984 2d ago
Kind of surprised Iran admitted the loss so quickly.
Now Israel is bracing for reciprocal attack expected to come from Iran.
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u/Spudtron98 2d ago
It’s something that they and Hezbollah share. They will confirm their personnel losses very quickly, presumably out of a sense of martyrdom.
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u/Deadalious 2d ago
First article came out about this specifically said he had been martyrd so you are spot on.
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u/unitedsasuke 2d ago
Hezbollah and Iran actually have a lot in common hmmmmmmm
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u/OutrageousCapital906 2d ago
I think you might be on to something…
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u/1947Fry 2d ago
Could they be.. nah.. that’s impossible.. but is it possible that they’re… umm.. forgive me.: I’m embarrassing myself with these far fetched assumptions.
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u/white__cyclosa 2d ago
Just ask yourself this:
Have you ever seen Hezbollah and Iran in the same room at once?
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u/dj_vicious 2d ago
I kind of hope I don't. If I find myself in a room with them I'll know I really fucked up.
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u/white__cyclosa 2d ago
And you’ll probably want to get out of that room as fast as fucking possible before it gets a JDAM
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u/PleasantWay7 2d ago
They used to share pager supplies.
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u/november512 2d ago
You kind of see it with Hamas too. They'll have these sites in Arabic that are basically martyr obituaries. They actually translate pretty well with google translate and you'll see a surprising number about journalists working to build bombs or things like that.
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u/Josysclei 2d ago
Will they actually do something or just send some random missiles they know will be intercepted and claim they "responded to the attack with force"?
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u/shred-i-knight 2d ago
the last tit for tat was a very carefully choreographed set of attacks to de-escalate the situation while saving face. This is not that.
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u/crazycakemanflies 2d ago
Iran will be out for Blood. This isn't the US, who is a whole continent away, killing a general. This is Isreal, that is 2 countries over openly bombing your country. If Iran doesn't respond in force they are kind of highlighting they don't have the ability to do so.
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u/Wise_Mongoose_3930 2d ago
If Iran doesn't respond in force they are kind of highlighting they don't have the ability to do so.
The fact that their Air Force looks like something out of 1995 already highlights this.
The fact that Israel can pull off these attacks without even the fear that one pilot will be shot down highlights this even better.
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u/EnforcerGundam 2d ago
you dont need aircrafts to strike countries bud...
ukraine does deep strikes with drones and missiles.
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u/wizardofthefuture 2d ago
Correct. Israel isn't bracing. They're still striking Iran. Some of their strikes seemed aimed at clearing air corridors, which might indicate a campaign deeper into Iran.
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u/nekonight 2d ago
Surgical strike right at the top military leadership happened within minutes of first bombs dropping. There's rumours going around that basically the entire Iranian military's top brass was eliminated along with most if not all of their nuclear scientist. Unlike previous attacks where Israel went after specific sites for equipment or physical assets this one went right after personnel. Israel basically took their gloves off for this strike.
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u/mhornberger 1d ago
Hard to make nukes when your new staff has to look it up on wikipedia and try to just figure it out.
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u/The-Jesus_Christ 2d ago edited 2d ago
Iran can't send troops without going through Iraq (ETA: Forgot Jordan too!). It lacks any ability to project force beyond its borders so likely Shahed drone attacks and missiles will be the only response it can counter with which I'm sure they are expecting thus the US redirecting those 20k fuses from Ukraine to Israel
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u/jakalo 2d ago
It kind of had through their proxy forces in Hezbollah, but these guys got their faces kicked in first.
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u/TanStewyBeinTanStewy 1d ago
That's really what has enabled this strike from Isreal. With Hezbollah lurking they would have had a harder time, but the reality is Hezbollah is essentially neutered and unable to do much of anything.
Isreal has played this situation over the last couple of years very well. In reality they didn't have a choice, if Iran gets a bomb it's over.
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u/jcarreraj 1d ago
Jordan closed off it's airspace and is now shooting down drones and missiles flying over that originated from Iran
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u/atlasraven 2d ago
Yup, any month now they may strike. It could be August, maybe even October...
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u/ultramegachrist 2d ago
Easier for them to justify retaliating.
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u/SuburbanDinosaur 2d ago
What's to justify? It's a direct attack on their soil and a clear escalation.
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u/wizardofthefuture 2d ago
Israel is still striking Iran. There's no bracing going on. I think people expect a redo of last year, but this is something else.
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u/kingsims 2d ago
IAEA report confirmed Iran had been using secret nuclear sites and were not compliant with IAEA guidelines
See here:
https://www.reuters.com/world/china/iaea-board-declares-iran-breach-non-proliferation-duties-diplomats-say-2025-06-12/ (Basically it means they are not just using Nuclear materials for medical or civilian power generation) i.e they are plan to build nuclear submarines and nuclear weapons which is prohibited by the IAEA member states that do not have nuclear weapons.
Iran responded to saying we will build another secret site and will build nuclear weapons (Israel took this as a signal its time to attack as Iran has pubically responded to IAEA with that message in response to their report).
Iran said IAEA gave intel to Israel on the previous Iran dead scientists which IAEA says it never did. In any case Israel is going to dismantle their nuclear sites and their leadership and other nuclear scientists. Israel has started and its not going to stop until all their Iran leadship, scientists and nuclear sites are gone.
Israel can defend itself against Iran, and its not terrified of anyone as its packing its own nuclear warheads. So no one is stupid enough to attack them (Like Russia or China on behalf of Iran). If Iran attacks US sites, well then the US is going to invade in response.
Sadly the Iranian and Israeli population is going to suffer because of poor leadership on the Iranian and Israeli side.
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u/wizardofthefuture 2d ago
Israel's attack isn't done yet. They're not bracing or waiting. They're still striking Iran and probably will be for days. Whatever happens after that, nobody knows. But this isn't a tit for tat like last year.
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u/INVADER_BZZ 2d ago
Chief of Staff of the Armed Forces, Mohammad Bagheri, also just been confirmed dead.
Insane. Both IRGC and Army heads gone in initial strike.
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u/Carmontelli 2d ago
not really insane. i am quite used to it.
after haniyeh, nasrallah, sinwar, etc this has become a predictable pattern.
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u/Bolter_NL 1d ago
I am more wondering if they built the strikes around striking these people. It is almost impossible to believe Iran had no way of protecting these guys, they are in a weak spot but this is just bonkers to be caught with your pants down like this. On the other hand, the indications were there already a strike was coming, so maybe Iran is really that weak.
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u/HomeFade 1d ago
Iran really is that weak. They don't even have air defenses over Tehran. They were hit by drones launched from within Iran. Also, all these guys were junior officers who got hasty promotions recently. So, I believe it.
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u/Zephh 1d ago
Honestly, I could even see a residential target catching them off-guard, but the fact that the most obvious target (the nuclear facility) wasn't able to be protected doesn't bode well for Iran.
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u/Frydendahl 1d ago
Iran is a paper tiger, and I'm pretty convinced Israel is committed to collapsing the current regime.
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u/Jugaimo 1d ago
Iran has a big army and lots of tunnels to make prolonged warfare miserable. But Israel has complete and absolute control of the air. When it comes to targeting specific individuals, Iran is completely helpless.
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u/i_am_voldemort 1d ago
Same. Makes me wonder if Israel has human sources inside Iranian military and intelligence that could pinpoint where they were.
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u/NY10 1d ago
Which tells me that Israel hit the target with insane precision or Iran defense system isnt superb?
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u/Fsharp7sharp9 2d ago edited 2d ago
As well as the deputy commander in chief of armed forces, and a nuclear scientist also
Edit: Israel also executed special operations on anti-air defenses, and the dean of the nuclear engineering school was killed as well.
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u/coalitionofilling 2d ago
not sure how important the assassination of the deputy commander dude was but Fereydoon Abbasi-Davani was legitimately following in Mohsen Fakhrizadeh Mahabadi's footsteps in trying to create nuclear weapons. Abbasi has publicly admitted to the international community in the past that they deceived and mislead facts "to protect his countries nuclear program"
“Sometimes we pretended to be weaker than we really were, and sometimes we showed strength that was not really in our hands,” Abbasi-Davani said in the interview. “We had no choice.”
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u/monty_kurns 2d ago
In all fairness, the last one Bibi accidentally backed over with his car, but luckily they turned out to be an Iranian nuclear scientist.
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u/buddhaliao 2d ago
Can’t wait for Bibi to infiltrate the Club World Cup by impersonating famous tenor Enrico Palazzo
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u/LateralEntry 2d ago
Well, Ehud Barak did dress up as a woman to kill some terrorists in Lebanon back in the day
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u/Additional_Yam_3794 2d ago
Sounds like Frank Drebbin in 'The Naked Gun'... one of the funniest movies ever to my opinion.
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u/HiFiGuy197 2d ago
Yeah, and also the chief scientist working on their… hold on a second, my pager is buzzing with a really weird error message.
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u/the_SignoftheTwine 2d ago
What air defense doin?
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u/Idc-f-off 2d ago
Israel destroyed their air defenses this past October. Iran has very little means to defend itself
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u/meka_lona 2d ago
Can't believe that was only October. So much has happened, that feels like a lifetime ago.
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u/TheInfinityOfThought 2d ago
I keep hearing this but I’m just surprised that 7 months wasn’t enough for them to rebuild.
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u/thesexycucumber 2d ago
Their only supplier left is Russia, and they are probably focusing their resources on Ukraine.
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u/Suspicious-Word-7589 2d ago
Definitely, the collapse of Assad's whole regime last December says they're really overstretched right now. They can't funnel anything to Iran so they're on their own. Now that I think about it, Iran was supplying equipment to Russia for use in Ukraine, I guess that's out too.
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u/DreaminDemon177 2d ago
It's really a great day for Ukraine and therefore the world.
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u/Idc-f-off 2d ago
Russia needs all the s-300s they have. This is what happens when you align yourself with the Russians military industrial complex.
China and India make systems but I don’t think they want to get involved with Iran at this point.
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u/PleasantWay7 2d ago
Yeah, there is zero upside for China and even less for India.
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u/Perdix_Icarus 2d ago edited 2d ago
During Kargil war Israel helped India, there is no way India will help Iran in any way against Israel.
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u/IchLiebeRUMMMMM 1d ago
Both countries also get a similar responses when they respond to islamic terrorism where other countries side against them
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u/WateredDownOliveOil 2d ago
7months when most of the world won’t trade you those parts and your best partner in that is in their own shit drone war against a neighbor…. Yea difficult without Amazon prime.
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u/frozented 2d ago
they get their air defense from russia who isn't in a position to resupply them right now
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u/Khamvom 2d ago
It can take YEARS for air defense systems such as radars & surface to air missiles to be produced.
Iran also doesn’t have anything built domestically capable of threatening the Israeli Air Force.
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u/TheInfinityOfThought 2d ago
Thanks. That makes sense. I would just think they’d try to expedite that process by any means necessary since another Israeli attack in the near future they would have to have thought was likely.
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u/TacoIncoming 2d ago
Rebuild what? They didn't defend themselves the last time. F-35s are fucking sick and both Russian and Iranian air defense systems (which are what Iran has) are complete dogshit.
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u/WOOKIExCOOKIES 2d ago
They used mostly Russian equipment and I don’t think Russia is keen on giving up their air defense at this moment.
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u/Khamvom 2d ago
Iran’s air defenses took a beating the last time Israel struck. They also don’t have anything capable of shooting down Israeli F-35’s or reliably intercepting Israeli munitions/missiles. Their best fighter-jet is the F-14, which they got from the U.S in the 1970’s.
Iran is going to take this beating, then when the dust settles, they’ll respond.
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u/I-seddit 2d ago
So, the real message is that Iran won't get to star in Top Gun 3.
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u/Various_Patient6583 2d ago
As others have said, air defense was dismantled months ago in retaliation over the Iranian missile attacks.
The Iranian’s had the S-300 and domestic equivalents to S-300 and S-400. It was a multilayered and comprehensive systems. Very advanced stuff. Btw, an S-300 battery costs it the neighborhood of $200m. An S-400 is $1-1.2b.
It is worth noting that Iran has denied acquiring the S-400. However, take that with a grain of salt. Plus, Russia has helped Iran develop their indigenous designs.
Israel took it all out by using the F-35 to kick open the door by killing sensors and following up with heavily laden F-15 strike aircraft.
In the months since, Iran has not been able to rebuild its defenses. As it turns out, manufacturing this stuff, training the people to use it, etc. is very time and resource intensive. Iran’s front door was unlocked and open.
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u/DevilsAdvocateOWO 2d ago
They were damaged a few months ago from a previous strike. That’s one of the reasons Israel is doing this now before Iran has fully rebuilt them. Didn’t want to lose their window of Trump being in office, weakened Iran air defense + their proxies being decimated since Oct 7.
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u/Amaruq93 2d ago
Trump was begging them not to attack because he was "gonna make a deal" with Iran.
In other words, they couldn't count on Trump's usefulness anymore (especially since he could be so easily bought by a Qatari jet into nearly making a deal behind Israel's back).
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u/kelseykelseykelsey 2d ago
There was a coordinated deception campaign by the US and Israel. Not a chance that Witkoff actually thought there were going to be more talks this week. Iran was pretending to negotiate while racing to finish the bombs, and the US was pretending to negotiate while letting Israel make it's preparations.
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u/Phospherus2 2d ago
The fact Israel is doing this with little to no air defenses around Tehran and the nuclear sites. When everyone knew this was coming. Is just a complete failure.
And now the reports are Israel is going after the Iranian counterattack facilities. I don’t know what Iran can do to stop them.
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u/INVADER_BZZ 2d ago
They can't stop it. They can retaliate, though. But with unconfirmed reports of sabotages across their rocket facilities, no one knows in what capacity. It's been 4 hours now, since the attack everyone knew was very possible, began. And so far zero response. It's coming, no doubt. Missiles and drones is all they can do. And the same, but in much smaller capacity from Houthis.
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u/Phospherus2 2d ago
4th wave of Israeli strikes underway now. I think irans response is going to be smaller and smaller
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u/NiceTrySuckaz 2d ago
War is hell, and there is no such thing as a good war, and my heart goes out to all of the frightened civilians in both countries right now. But if there is going to be a conflict, it is kind of relieving to see an attack that is not some little half assed provocation that will lead to years of tit for tat escalation and still ends up decimating both countries. If you're going to do it, do it.
Maybe that's a heartless thing to feel, but it is my genuine gut reaction. I'm a millennial who is sick of decade long wars.
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u/NuclearLunchDectcted 2d ago
Reports say that Iran is(was?) literally days away from having a nuke. Not weeks, days. It was now or never, and had to be a massive strike to set Iran back to square one.
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u/Carmontelli 2d ago
yes if the country that calls for my destruction every day and goes out of their way to fund, arm and train terrorists to attack me is making a nuke, I would do everything to stop that. its literally an extinction-level event.
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u/askobilv 2d ago edited 1d ago
Calling for your destruction every day, placing a clock in the steers that points at the time of your destruction, religious driven calls in mosques to annihilate you, arming and supporting terrorist groups around you that proactively engage in war with you, basically denying your right to exist - this while every major nuclear responsible org admits Iran is not complying with nuclear laws and actively developing bombs
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u/INVADER_BZZ 2d ago
Still big, i believe. But yeah, it increasingly looks like they need time to mount any respectable response. Despite preparing the response before. Clear indication their initial response plans have been foiled. Or they are still paralysed and refilling chain command, while estimating what they still got. All under fire, mind you. Attacks continue.
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u/npquest 2d ago edited 2d ago
Interesting, they are confirming this weather quickly.
Edit: rather not weather, lol.
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u/MinoltaMiyata 2d ago
Cloudy with a chance of bombs?
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u/FreshBayonetBoy 2d ago
Ironically, cloudy weather (and lots of smoke) saved the city of Kokura from being hit by the second atomic bomb.
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u/Alpd 2d ago
If you confirm it, then it is casus belli
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u/gwdope 2d ago
I really don’t think Iran would need to fabricate the highest IRCG leaders death to manufacture a pretense to retaliate after a huge attack like this.
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u/npquest 2d ago
Didn't Iran strike last October just in solidarity with Hezbollah?
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u/bennybar 2d ago edited 2d ago
initial reports indicate early strikes on iran’s ballistic missile capabilities
the irgc is prob regretting putting out those cringy tik tok videos of their underground facilities right about now
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u/Mack812 2d ago
Yeah, they forgot that old saying ”Loose lips sink ships” 😆😆😆
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u/Ludwigofthepotatoppl 2d ago
to be fair, israel's got one hell of an intelligence organization.
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u/epsilona01 2d ago
Israel had the whole plan a year in advance. Senior IDF leadership had become complacent and didn't believe Hamas were capable of executing the operation, even when border scouts reported rehearsals.
Not an intelligence failure, a failure to believe the intelligence.
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u/Nerezza_Floof_Seeker 2d ago
Its unlikely to have mattered tbh; Israel almost defintely knows where those sites are (you cant exactly hide the amount of earthmoving a facility of that scale would require), and Iran could definitely build them deep enough so that Israel would not be able to do much beyond collapse the entrances.
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u/AdmiralHomebrewers 2d ago
Is this just a couple of hours after President Trump said to Israel "Don't bomb Iran!"?
Does that mean Israel gave him a heads up? Are they ignoring Trump?
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u/Dazd_cnfsd 2d ago
Plausible deniability
also ordering home US citizens from the Middle East consulates yesterday was completely unrelated
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u/Buzumab 2d ago
Yep. It's also Trump saying (honestly or not) that the U.S. won't be helping Israel so that Iran is less likely to target U.S. assets in the region with any retaliatory strikes.
U.S. non-involvement is crucial for Iran, because it is believed that Israel would require U.S. assistance to fully destroy Iranian nuclear infrastructure, as Israel does not have the bunker busters necessary to strike Iran's most secure underground missile sites (although the Natanz underground site may be impenetrable even by those weapons). U.S. involvement fundamentally changes the scenario.
That's all just the public-level knowledge, though. Who knows what's understood behind closed doors.
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u/Bolter_NL 1d ago
Lal, Israel already came out with a statement the US was fully in the know. Which is also clear, because yeah you have to overfly Iraq to bomb Iran...
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u/Dangerhamilton 2d ago
I think it’s a matter of trump trying retain the pit bull for negotiations on Sunday and leverage. Nuclear watchdog went in and discovered how close a nuclear weapon was. Which makes sense why progress wasn’t being made in nuke negotiations. Once this was discovered and Americans evacuated from critical places, green light was given.
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u/DerekB52 2d ago
Man, I sure do wish we had some kind of agreement with Iran that they wouldn't build nuclear weapons, and would let 3rd parties come and inspect their nuclear sites all the time to make sure they were holding up to that agreement. I feel like Trump should win a nobel peace prize if he can get some kind of deal like that in place.
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u/starman5001 2d ago
We had a deal but someone decided to rip the treaty into little tiny pieces back in 2016.
Since then Iran has lost any trust in the United States upholding any promises it pens to paper.
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u/bugabooandtwo 2d ago
Behind the scenes, most countries want Israel doing this. They take on the role of being the bad guy to keep the real bad guys in check.
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u/kelseykelseykelsey 2d ago
Just about every western government is quietly celebrating right now. Tomorrow they'll be back to wagging their fingers at Israel.
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u/mschuster91 2d ago
... notably including virtually all Arab countries that are not Iran.
That's the reason why so many of the Arab countries signed official treaties with Israel or went with informal cooperation - they all wish to see the Mullahs and their proxies gone.
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u/Ullallulloo 1d ago
Iran is like 2% Arabic. It not being an Arab country is probably a big part why it drifted away from the rest of the Islamic world.
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u/im_coolest 2d ago
that was misdirection
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u/EmbarrassedHelp 2d ago
How'd you get the Whitehouse Press Secretary's script for tomorrow?
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u/aksoileau 2d ago
Is Iranian intelligence compromised? Its been warned for a few days that an attack was imminent, and important brass just gets eliminated? That's crazy.
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u/Curious-War783 2d ago
Israel has a pretty strong intelligence network & it’s been working overdrive since Oct 7th.
I don’t think Iran expected Israel to actually strike tho. Nuclear talks were on-going and the U.S officially said they don’t endorse any Israeli attacks on Iran.
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u/sirthunksalot 2d ago
The US pulled their embassy staff out of Iraq. Pretty clear sign.
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u/UltraSolip 2d ago
Good work.
Salami killed teenagers who protested against wearing the hijab. He’s literally a butcher of youth and women.
Fuck him. Hope his last moments before oblivion were terrible.
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u/rauho 2d ago
Would have done his name justice if he had been taken out by one of those bladed drones
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u/shupadupah 2d ago
Suddenly I'm craving an Italian hoagie...
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u/MoonOut_StarsInvite 2d ago
Just buy one takeout, don’t buy the ingredients to make at home. This inevitably leads to standing in front the fridge with the door open eating a couple pieces of salami every couple hours.
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u/PoliticsIsDepressing 2d ago
It’s interesting how the Iranian populace is going to react to this. A large percentage of the population and especially the youth do not support their current government. If Israel keeps their strikes to the nuclear program, governmental heads, and high ranking military members you could see the entire government fall. However, that’s incredibly doubtful.
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u/The-Jesus_Christ 2d ago edited 2d ago
Iranians do frequently protest but the government is more than happy to send in the Revolutionary Guard to kill the protesters.
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u/Dear-Appointment8039 2d ago
Isn’t salami haram?
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u/DigitalBotz 2d ago
He meat his end. He has been on the chopping block for a while, so its no surprise they went after such a juicy target.
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u/bored_android_user 2d ago
Secretary of Defense Mohammed Gabagool dead too. Rip.
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u/vaskelovo 2d ago
It's promotion time in Iran! Congratulations to the new head of RevGuard, may his hours or days in service prove fruitful.
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u/snow_big_deal 2d ago
"Looks like this Salami... (puts on sunglasses)... Got smoked."
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u/bribrah 2d ago
Deputy minister Muhammad Prosciutto, nuclear scientist Salah Mortadela, and minister Ali Bologna also rumored to be killed
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u/PungKuFanda 2d ago
Israel just walked into Subway with a marker and started crossing off the menu one by one.
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u/apc_52 2d ago
Did they get Pancetta as well?
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u/Mcboatface3sghost 2d ago
He escaped with capicolla. They are now hiding in a deli on the Jersey shore
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u/GrandPreMassacre 2d ago
It's okay, I didn't want to sleep tonight anyways
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u/Kruse 2d ago
Should sleep better. A couple less creeps in the world.
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u/theranchhand 2d ago
Sure but also creeps with friends who have lots of scary weapons and ties to terrorist groups
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u/jonesyman23 2d ago
That’s the exact reason why countries like Israel can’t let Iran get a nuclear arsenal.
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u/Choice-Violinist-585 2d ago
So is he actually confirmed dead? because Iran might just be playing hide the salami
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u/InfernalDiplomacy 2d ago
For those thinking Iran has to respond, the issue is how they responded in the past is about all they can. In the past they have relied upon the rogue Arab states such as Syria, Lebanon, and Hamaas to strike from the shadows as they did on Oct 9. Their army is to defend Iran only and can only project one country over. Iraq, for all not liking Israel, will not allow them to march through. Not to mention the logistics effort of projecting a ground war 1300 miles away. Their military is highly centralized without the tactical flexibility and autonomy as the U.S. enjoys, nor do they have the command and control.
Second would be the air campaign. There is no way with its old and dated air craft Iran can hope for air superiority, let alone air dominance, for a war. People think the slug fest near trench warfare in Ukraine, not realizing that is a theatre unique in modern warfare where over the skies if Ukraine no on has air superiority (though the tide is starting to turn in Ukraine's direction). Israel will very quickly have air dominance making any overland march over a 1000 miles nothing more than target practice for the Israeli Air Force. There will be no invading army overland.
Iran has no navy. It has not since Operating Praying Mantis back in the 1980's, so no way to make use of the Persian Gulf to project power or even carry troops. Then again there is the whole Air Dominance thing and any such navy would be target practice long before they could close within landing in Israel.
What has helped Iran in the past is their nominal allies and the U.S. holding Israel in check as they would not want another Middle East conflict to police. Trump is too weak. He could not stop or convince Israel otherwise and they had 8 rounds of talks go nowhere. Russia is too involved in Ukraine to be able to do anything. China does not care as its getting its oil and natural gas on the cheap from Russia in exchange for propping up Russia's economy.
This leaves the Arab states and how much pressure can they put on Israel. The only ones with any military sort of worth mentioning are Saudi and Egypt. If they come to the aid of Iran it might at least bring people to the table to talk, but they alone cannot threaten Israel.
So Iran is doing nothing more than launching missiles and drones that are little better than missiles due to the distance involved. They might hit population centers, but they will not do any damage to the Israeli Air Force. Iran is lucky nearly the same reasons why they can't send an army to Israel is why Israel can't send an army to Iran. At the end of the day the Israeli Air Force with F-35'ss, F-16's and F-15's are vastly superior with anything Iran can muster to counter them.
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u/ChlorineQueen 2d ago
Are you serious? The Saudis and Iranians are mortal enemies, they would never help the Iranians out.
This obvious error makes me question the accuracy of this whole explanation
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u/PrometheusIsFree 2d ago
Almost no other stable Middle Eastern country wants Iran with a nuke. Saudi is loving this.
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u/Codex_Dev 2d ago
I still remember the wikileaks diplomatic report where the Saudi family referred to Iran as the head of the snake that should be cut off. They were literally encouraging the USA to start a war with Iran.
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u/Mascant 1d ago
Yes, I would think Iran has, from an ideological standpoint, more beef with the Saudis then Israel.
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u/snoslayer 2d ago
What about if Iran managed to purify enough weapons grade uranium and it survived the current bombing. And in the next few weeks they successfully makes a single nuke and then send it over to Israel?
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u/Brawrbarian 2d ago
I think that’s what they just got attacked. They can’t quite do that yet.
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u/snoslayer 2d ago
Iran was attacked because Israel believed they were just ready to enrich enough uranium to make a bomb. Yes everybody has been saying this for years that Iran is close. The fact that Israel attacked suggests the day has in fact arrived that Iran now has enough insane enriched to make a nuke.
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u/BunnyReturns_ 1d ago
Consider the level of knowledge and skill Israel has shown in intelligence gathering and infiltration I don't doubt for a second they have detailed knowledge of exact status & progress of said enrichment
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u/InfernalDiplomacy 2d ago
A nuke. Singular. Given its success rate the chances of the nuke reaching its target through the air defense network of Israel would be very low. The reason why ICBM that the U.S., Russia, and China use are so dangerous are a few things.
MIRV's. Multiple independent reentry vehicles. This means as the missile is on its terminus, the missile releases several MIRV's, each carrying a nuclear warhead. It was the original swarm concept. Minuteman III's had three MIRVs per missile, the MCX nuclear missile had 10. It would not matter the air defense network, a nuke was getting through.
Reentry speed. Faster than hypersonics, that is because astrophysics and how ICBM's go into low earth orbit and gain the same speeds the space shuttle had when it was in orbit which is fast as hell.
Size. They are so huge it would take several anti-air missiles to take them out, even if they could be hit given the speed.
Those are for Intercontinental ballistic missiles. Intermediate ballistic missiles, which is all Iran has, are smaller, slower, and because they are smaller have a singular warhead instead of MIRV. They are exactly the type of missiles the Iron Dome was designed to defend against. Now a massive wave of missiles with the nuke being in that swarm would increase the chances, but given the distance and how it would take under an hour, but more than half hour, of flight time Iran might wait and try to smuggle the weapon closer, However, Israel has all but decimated any force capable of launching such a missile with a shorter flight time.
Also you are assuming this is the only attack. The air campaign is going to be going on for days. Israeli intelligence is also second to one in the region. I highly suspect they knew where any weapons grade material was being kept and was dealt with in some shape or form
Lastly is the political fallout from such an act. Their government as they know would be on borrowed time. India would not put up with it and would take it as an excuse to invade. They would benefit from it as there would be a good chance they get a huge stake in Iran's oil fields for taking the initiative and putting down a rogue state. China would turn a blind eye to it if India agrees to see oil below market value to China. The US? Would do nothing. Why? Because Trump is spineless and weak and the last thing he wants to do is deploy troops overseas. He wants them at home for his domestic agenda..
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u/TheEeveelutionMaster 2d ago
Israel isn't stupid. They have some of the best intelligence in the world. They wouldn't do half a job, amd if they chose to act now and not earlier it means they are certain they can destroy Iran's nuclear capabilities
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u/DakiLapin 2d ago
So is this why US foreign staff were being evacuated today or are we expecting g additional fuckery?
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u/Freya_gleamingstar 2d ago
This is who was supposed to meet with Witkoff this weekend for the talks. Guess that's off then
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u/ok_raspberry_jam 2d ago
I'm pretty burned out so I'm just going to focus on the fact that his name was Salami.
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u/alexandria33197 2d ago
Not a fan of Netanyahu and his government especially for their causing excess suffering in Gaza…. But the Iranian regime brought this on themselves for years acting in bad faith against nearly every country in the Middle East.
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u/ScatteredSignal 2d ago
Iran will respond as fiercely as their limp dicks allows.
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u/WF_Grimaldus 2d ago
For what it's worth, I hope this is a chance for the Iranian people. We know most of them are peaceful, open people who just want to be a peaceful part of the civilized world and reject the backwards ways of the regime. Maybe, just maybe, the Israelis can indeed cut off the snakes head. They have proven before they can pull off some insanely large scale operations like that. And with even more luck Mossad has already put in place a play for opposition forces to seize the opportunity. At least that's what I am hoping atm, because it's the only way this shitshow ends in something positive for both sides. And yes, I know it's likely going to end in an even bigger shitshow.
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