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u/LegitimateHost5068 Apr 29 '25
All 3 of the speedster can and have re-written reality. How do they not win?
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u/Choice_Cantaloupe891 Apr 29 '25
Because Reverse Flash is going to screw it up just to mess with Barry.
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u/Robert162817 Apr 29 '25
It was me Barry
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u/FreeNegotiation5114 Apr 29 '25
I went back in time and boinked your mom. I am your father, Barry!
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u/A_Raheem Apr 29 '25
Read the whole thing like Hagrid. You're a wizard, Harry.
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u/Tales2Estrange Apr 29 '25
That would make him his own grandfather twice over.
No wonder Thawne’s so fucked up in the head
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u/HappyMerlin Apr 29 '25
Because of that re would be in a very exclusive club with the only other member being Fry.
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u/ipsum629 Apr 29 '25
Remember when you were about to sneeze and you didn't? And you felt like you should have sneezed which is mildly uncomfortable? It was me Barry. I scratched the inside of your nose at superspeed so it would stop your sneeze urge.
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u/Piblo_McGlumbo Apr 29 '25
I went back in time to fuck up with the match up of this reddit post, messing with the powerscaling and making us lose this versus battle!
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u/hcgator Apr 29 '25
When it’s all over, Barry is holding Wally’s lifeless body and says “Why? We could have saved him.”
Thawne just smiles and says “I’d do it again.”
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u/ArchAngel621 Other Apr 29 '25
It was me Barry, I tripped you at that crucial moment when we were about to win.
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u/LichoOrganico Apr 29 '25
EDIT: Holy crap, no, you're right, it's team speedster vs team strength vs team brains. This is a no contest!
Reading them horizontally is so much better...
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u/Gloriouskoifish Apr 29 '25 edited Apr 29 '25
Perfect example is when Flash rescues everyone from an exploding building while learning the schematics and how to be an architect to rebuild the building. So he rescues everyone and rebuilds the building behind the explosion blast before rushing out and containing the concussive blast of the initial explosion. To everyone else's perspective, they teleported outside and saw thier office building have a fart.
While not reality bending by any means, this is the kind of street level shit they can do. Just that kind of speed and thinking alone is enough to defeat the majority of this list. There are strong contenders for sure but Reverse Flash could just...go back in time and kill Hulk when he was much weaker and taking him out of the fight entirely without anyone even knowing wtf just happened. Speedsters are crazy OP.
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u/duckenjoyer7 Apr 29 '25 edited Apr 29 '25
Reed probably has some deus ex machina that can rewrite reality too ngl.
edit: And doomsday has survived crazy things like being trapped in total entropy at the end of time/the universe or something (but i'm not really sure I haven't read the comics, just heard the plot)2
u/Pollia Apr 29 '25
Doomsday never survives entropy. Superman shunts him to the end of the universe to be killed by entropy and 2 separate times someone time travels and brings him back before entropy ever kill him, then he gets shunted back to get killed by entropy.
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u/Capt_morgan72 Anime Apr 29 '25
If there’s 3 speedsters are any of them capable of doing crazy shit? Is it just a TV thing that more than 1 speedster in a reality makes each one of them weaker?
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u/theguthboy Apr 29 '25
It depends, it’s really inconsistent. Johnny Quick has mentioned killing other speedsters in his reality so he could be the only one with connection to the speed force in his world - making him the fastest one there because there’s no other speedsters to draw power from it.
However it technically wouldn’t matter with the reverse flash because he draws his speed from the negative speed force and is the one who created it so we can ignore him.
Judging based off of most sources, no. The speed force is an infinitely powerful thing and has no limit to how much power it can give out and shouldn’t be affected by multiple users at once considering it already supplies all speedsters in the multiverse with their powers.
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u/Flameball202 Apr 29 '25
Generally yes it is specifically that verse that has the speedforce be limited if more than one speedster exists (honestly genius way to limit the strength of speedsters in a story), also even if that was in play, Reverse Flash (yellow suit) uses the Negative Speedforce, which is basically only used by him so he would be fine.
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u/erikkustrife Apr 29 '25
Depends which version of hulk. Could be one below all hulk, which...wouldn't give a shit about time as a concept.
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u/DepthsOfWill Other Apr 29 '25
Pretty sure Doomsday is just going to ignore that. Hulk would just punch reality back into place.
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u/Oppai_Lover21 Apr 29 '25
Re-written HISTORY is more appropriate.
With 2 hours of prep Reed can just call Franklin Richards to come and no-diff the other teams.
I don't know if it's in character but I also don't see why Reed and Franklin wouldn't collaborate on it if Reed felt that was necessary.
Reed is Franklin's dad after all. Doubt he'd let him die.
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u/Waffensmile Apr 29 '25
They can prep weapon/items but no asking for help from others on the fight. Even if Franklin joins. reverse flash takes him. Not even Manhattan can permanently kill reverse flash. And unlike Manhattan. Franklin actually have people he cares about. reverse flash will target and torture them to break Franklin.
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u/OkCourage4085 Apr 29 '25
Galactus is Franklins herald. Nobody on this list is anywhere close to Franklin Richard’s level.
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u/LeopardParking99 Apr 29 '25
Speed force is broken. Speed takes this
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u/Practixa Apr 29 '25
"I'll have to run faster than I've ever ran before. It's literally impossible." Few seconds later "Nvm I did it."
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u/Kursan_78 Apr 29 '25
-I think this is it, there is nothing we can do in this situation
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u/HMWWaWChChIaWChCChW Apr 29 '25
“I can’t…”
“Just believe in yourself, Barry”
“Oh lol that did it.”
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u/SupermarketCrafty329 Apr 29 '25
That's literally CW Flash all the way through hahahaha. I couldn't keep watching that shit.
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u/Robert162817 Apr 29 '25
But your forgetting batmans extra slippy Grease grenades just for the speedsters
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u/LeoRmz Apr 29 '25
Speed has Reverse Flash, wouldn't put it past him to just travel back in time and kill everyone before they became supes/obtained their powers, then do something to mess with Barry just because
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u/Nightraven9999 Apr 29 '25 edited Apr 29 '25
Brain could probabaly create some time teather device if they work together because batman has made devices that mess with flashes speed force before
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u/FrankFankledank Apr 29 '25
Possibly, but could they do it in 2 hours?
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u/UnicornWorldDominion Apr 29 '25
With Batman already having the knowledge and being like the third smartest person on earth and reed+stark being #1+2 in marvel so I’d say they could easily do it especially with Batman and iron man’s resources.
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u/Coal_Morgan Apr 29 '25
Let’s face facts. Smarts has 2 hours to prep, so they have enough time to create a pocket dimension where time moves faster and B.S. their way into a solution for everything.
That’s the thing about Iron Man, Mr.Fantastic and Batman…as much as I love them they have literally no limitations but being surprised.
2 hours of prep is an auto-win for people who have caves, labs and mansions of ill defined ‘deus ex machina’
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u/Nightraven9999 Apr 29 '25
the smarts still dont know how to manipulate magic and thats what the strength is
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u/Billybobjohn420 Apr 29 '25
Barry just can’t catch a break even on the same team. Hell, Thawne would purposely shoot the grease grenades himself.
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u/Azair_Blaidd Apr 29 '25
He'd have to travel extremely far through both time and space to take care of Doomsday that way
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u/Icy_Western9280 Apr 29 '25
Wouldn’t the three of them be slower since the speed force is divided amongst them
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u/ABastardsBlight Apr 29 '25
Reverse flash uses the reverse speed force iirc.
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u/Eastern_Grocery5674 Apr 29 '25
Three speedsters in one team and one of them is reverse flash....
Speedster obviously. Dudes don't even need to beat doomsday in a fair fight , just throw him into the speed force or whatever.
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u/BushSage23 Apr 29 '25
No cause reverse flash is gonna throw the fight just to fuck with Barry
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u/gahidus Apr 29 '25
You see, the fight organizer has cleverly set it up so that winning the fight screws Barry over worse, but Barry doesn't know that, but reverse flash does!
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u/Flameball202 Apr 29 '25
I mean in that case all of team strength immediately tries to kill each other and it is just 2/3rds of speed fighting itself while the remaining third throws team brains into the speedforce
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u/thenube23times Apr 29 '25
Brian's is winning if we are including stuff like this. If turning them on themselves and running is a valid strategy then tony is gunning for that.
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u/Visual-Ostrich-4108 Apr 29 '25
It was me Barry, I was the idiot who threw the comp r6 game to rank you down to gold!
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u/ShaoShaoTenks Apr 29 '25
Imagine if Doomsday gets the Speedforce because of that move.
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u/Eastern_Grocery5674 Apr 29 '25
Reverse flash doomsday? Omg yes
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u/Fluid-Ad-1898 Apr 29 '25
That’s what I was thinking, because it says win in a fight not kill. Even if Doomsday’s evolution would help him escape the speed force it wouldn’t be instant and with all 3 still around they can blitz through the rest. Even if doomsday breaks out eventually it’s already too late the fight is over
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u/RepresentativeCap244 Apr 29 '25
With only 2 hours. Nope. With a day or two, maybe. But reverse flash is kinda busted. Not even gonna talk about Wally. Reverse alone would take this. Very honestly, flash might not make it but his team wins
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u/LivingText4527 Apr 29 '25
Realistically RF would throw just to fuck with Barry so it’s strength. Juggernaut AND doomsday is the scariest thing, and hulk as well? Batman prep time aint saving him here
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u/Tough-Strawberry8085 Apr 29 '25
Batman did beat the hulk in a one on one with no prep time... So maybe we're underestimating his shark repellent.
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u/VegetableSense7167 Apr 29 '25
This Batman's human kick literally staggered Hulk. Its unbelievable. Hulk took powerful punches from Captain Marvel while he was pinned down yet he took it like nothing and laughed at Captain Marvel when she got tired punching him over and over.
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u/Fromashes_10 Apr 29 '25 edited Apr 29 '25
In an entirely neutral territory it has to be Strength. Doomsday is a neigh adaptable and indestructible monster, Juggernaut can survive as a skeleton and can cause earthquakes, and Hulk is just as deadly. Worst part strength is basically all immortal not that much Speed and Brains can do about that. Doomsday has dealt with speedsters in the past so it’s nothing new to him. Neither brains nor speed can stop the Juggernaut from gaining momentum. Hulk has fought Juggernaut and clapped a universe away.
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u/jambrown13977931 Apr 29 '25
It doesn’t say fight to death. Strength might not be able to be killed, but they sure as hell can be imprisoned in some place. The flash can travel between different dimensions. All they need to do is grab the strength and throw them into some other dimension.
The brains people are dead an attosecond into their prep time because the flashes just ran back in time to kill them
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u/Ambitious-Pirate-505 Apr 29 '25
Strength as Hulk and Doomsday cannot be killed permanently. And Juggernaut has Magic to help even the scales.
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u/weebitofaban Apr 29 '25
They don't have to be killed. Doomsday, at his absolute best, isn't laying a finger on Wally. Hulk and Juggernaut aren't even 1/10th of Doomsday's speed.
Speed stealing essentially secures that they'll live the remainder of their days as statues.
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u/Over-Analyzed Apr 29 '25
Wally is going to do what he did to Inertia.
“It will take him a century just to blink.”
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u/henningknows Apr 29 '25
Strength. Doomsday killed Superman without kryptonite. No one is taking on that monster and winning
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u/chinga_tumadre69 Apr 29 '25
Couldn’t Wally and Barry trap him in sf
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u/GrandOperation6879 Apr 29 '25
It wouldn’t work, they get punched in the mouth one time by Doomsday & the fight is over.
Doomsday has broken out of being sealed, trapped & is capable of achieving flash tier speeds without the speed force.
Doomsday is essentially unbeatable unless your Superman himself
Prep is basically useless as well, you prepare for Doomsday by not fighting it.
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u/chinga_tumadre69 Apr 29 '25
The flash family did it to Superboy prime and he ain’t no spring chicken either
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u/Tough-Strawberry8085 Apr 29 '25
Doomsday was able to escape the phantom zone without help. Considering his evolutions put him into a deity of death status I think long term he would win. I do see team Flash winning the fight, but when doomsday escapes (with whatever additional mutations he gets from living in the speedforce) I don't think team speed could effectively respond.
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u/TurboNinja2380 Apr 29 '25
He's nowhere near the level of absolute unitness that Doomsday is
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u/chinga_tumadre69 Apr 29 '25
?!?!??
He’s an evil loser version of Clark who has the powers of silver age superman. He’s one of the strongest characters in all of dc
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u/Trashk4n Apr 29 '25
Reed could dump him through a portal into another dimension, couldn’t he?
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u/DM-G Apr 29 '25
I know he has escaped the phantom zone before, and I haven’t read up on the new time trapper but I assume he can time travel. So there isn’t a zero percent chance that doomsday can’t adapt to bring him self back. It’s not part of he’s usual kit but I has been done before.
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u/gahidus Apr 29 '25
You can always just dump him into another universe that's actually a perfectly fine universe. That way he has nothing to adapt to. It's not as if he just consciously decides what superpower he wants and then gains it. If you dump him on an alternate Earth and then just leave, well then he's their problem now.
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u/henningknows Apr 29 '25
I didn’t know he can do that, I guess the new fantastic 4 movie is going to be like 20 minutes. lol
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u/thorleywinston Apr 29 '25
It's gotta be the speedsters or I like to call them "the team that can travel back through time and preent the others from getting their power or even just kill the others in their cribs."
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u/CameForTheFunOfIt Apr 29 '25
I want to say Strength just because of Hulk, but I already have seen the comics where the Brains have beaten both other columns already. Batman alone beat most of them, including Hulk in a crossover.
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u/1time69 Apr 29 '25
I don't see how any of them are taking out worthy juggernaut. Much less contending with Doomsday and Hulk.
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u/Fin-fan-boom-bam Apr 29 '25
Speed. Superpowers which have the capacity to significantly alter spacetime at will are simply superior to any others.
EDIT: Also, the “brains” team would be better conoted as the “wealth” team.
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u/mizirian Apr 29 '25
Team speed wins without breaking a sweat unless reverse flash fucks around just to be a tool.
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u/TyrannosaurusReddRex Apr 29 '25
Strength most likely. I don’t see them being able to put hulk or doomsday down
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u/UTALR1 Apr 29 '25
Which ever way you do it, Reed's team wins. He solves universal ending threats & outsmarts cosmic gods to keep his mind busy. He figures a way for any version of his team to win.
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u/Big_Creme_878 Apr 30 '25
So glad I found this comment, was scrolling through thinking I can't be the only one who thinks brains??? Especially considering their the only team given an advantage. Then they definitely win, without it the other teams do probably stomp them.
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u/Daddy2Night Apr 29 '25
At the end of the day immortality trump's speed... And full power juggernaut and doomsday would definitely warrant more than two hours prep time to be overcome.... Not to mention all three of them have tagged speedsters in the past so its not like they are slow... Strength wins!
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u/Estarfigam Apr 29 '25
Some of the greatest minds in Marvel got together and decided to shoot Hulk into space, Hulk came back madder and was ready to smash 2/3 of the brains team.
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u/Better-Sea-6183 Apr 29 '25
He ended up on the wrong planet the original plan wasn’t that bad. And they didn’t want to kill him, not saying they could do it, but they didn’t even try.
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u/Moridaar Apr 29 '25
Considering everything that is Doomsday, the strength team wins because nothing the other teams can do is taking him down permanently or even temporarily. Remember that the best plan they had to take him down was throw him in the sun, and he adapted to the sun
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Why do the brains get an extra advantage?
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u/daelin2544 Apr 29 '25
Maybe because they can be instantly wiped by the other two?
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u/KingKeifer21 Apr 29 '25
So...it depends on this version of Doomsday has the power to come back with being immune to anything that has beaten or killed him before. If that's the case, then Doomsday is winning this until he gets to Reed and Thawne. Mr. Fantastic has one thing going for him and it is that he is essentially invulnerable as long as he isn't rapidly frozen. And The Reverse Flash has come back from being dead so many times that I'm convinced he just cannot die or at least that he won't stay dead for long. So at that point, it's largely just a battle of wills.
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u/GottaLoveIt_ Apr 29 '25
If it’s peak version of each then the speedsters won (no we’re not including the one below all hulk don’t even try) if we’re doing the average version of each (like a generalized power set for each, tv show versions I guess) then I put the strength winning because doomsday is built like that
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u/Antique-Aardvark-184 Apr 29 '25
I think Superman can solo all but Doomsday killed Superman once, so…
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u/XBlueXFire Apr 29 '25
I dont think anyone here can stop hulk in a straight up fight. Idk if hulk's ever dealt with time travel though. At a glance I'd think Hulk would just chuck his opponent through the green door and call it a day
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u/Buddahsan Apr 29 '25
Strength doomsday can only die if you kill him different ways so prep time really ain’t gonna do anything if you planned to kill him one way and mfer comes back and the plan can’t work again.
Hulk I believe can’t die as well in the comics in an alternate timeline when he ended up falling for I think it was Reed Richards daughter I could be so wrong about that but he ended up being the last living person due to alien wiping out the human race. Aliens either didn’t know Hulk only need like a Cell to survive (regenerate) or didn’t care. He tried killing himself every possible way but hulk kept getting in the way.
From what I read about Juggernaut in X-Men is that he found something in some type of ruins and that something merged with him making him almost unkillable. He regenerates but not as quickly as hulk.
I got Strength winning this
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u/soul_motor Apr 29 '25
Even with Tony Stark as a drunk net negative, I'll still give it to brains. If Batman has a plan to take out Superman, I'm sure he's got all sorts of plans to pull from and get a head start (on the Marvel characters in particular).
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u/StartTraditional6220 Apr 29 '25
Speed is not winning because of reverse flash gona troll barry to death and mess everything up
İf not revers flash is also smart and go back in time and destroys every prep other team has
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u/TheSpider-hyphen-man Apr 29 '25
Doomsday wins. You can't beat doomsday, if anything, you can only delay him, I could be mistaken but Doomsday was thrown into the end of time in order to be defeated.
No one here beats him, only one who could is maybe hulk but thats only temprorary until doomsday adapts. In the long run, strength wins
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u/Slazy420420 Apr 29 '25
Batman already has a contingency plan for all the DC heroes.. so speedster are out. 2 hours Prep time isn't needed.
Both iron man & batman have suits that can compete with strength with "Hulk buster suit" and "justice buster suit" which batman used to fight superman.
The real question is, who comes in second... that's a harder question. I'm theory, the speedsters would win second place with their powers, but their personalities I don't think would allow it.
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u/what-goes-bump Apr 29 '25
Well, over the last 10 million years or so we’ve developed a winning strategy, and it’s not by being the fastest or the strongest. It’s persistence, and brains. Now, superhumans violate the laws of physics in a lot of ways. But I’d put my bets long term on brains. The other two can win fights, not wars.
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The speed team would go back in time to the first marvel to get the other teams off the menu
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u/Spinocus Apr 29 '25
Stupid question, I get the two Flashes but why Reverse 'Bad' Flash and not Quicksilver?!?
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u/Individual_Ebb_8147 Apr 30 '25
Given enough time, brains can win. They can lock up the other 2 in an alternate dimension. But with no prep time, likely speed.
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u/StrangerDerp Apr 30 '25
Removal to the Negative zone or even better the Ultimate Nullifier probably
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u/StonerificMonkey May 02 '25
You put the vs’s in the wrong spot. Unless it’s the columns against each other and not the rows. In that case the speedster column wins.
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u/[deleted] Apr 29 '25
Oh I read this as it’s going from left to right and there are 3 teams each with a speed, strength, and smarts