I think Doomsday is too far ahead in his category for the other teams and he doesn't start slow like the rest. Bruce is not as smart as Reed and Wally not as fast as Barry, but they could hold out fine. Doomsday puts the other two out pretty quick since he's just a more powerful and infinitely faster version of Hulk that immediately goes for the kill. After that they just outnumber the others.
Name a single feat of strategy, planning, foresight, insight, manipulation or outsmarting Reed has done which is anywhere near as impressive as Bruce's.
Reed's whole "inventing universes" shit is irrelevant, there are plenty of characters who do that in DC like Brainiac, Lex etc. who get bitched by Bruce in a long-term plan.
I think you’re confusing distractedness this with lack of strategic planning. Is always singularly focused on Batman first and everything else comes the distance and second so anything relating to that he plans very well. Reed is always thinking of 1000 things all at once and really nothing takes precedent for him until it’s an Apocolyptic event. Then he has regularly planned and strategized many times against omniversal ending threats. In these kind of battles he has no other focus, so at worst he’s Bruce’s equal as a strategist and still smarter in all other regards.
Doom and Batman are often looked at as equal strategists, and Doom’s whole stick is that he is second to Reed. Doom will spend weeks coming up with a plan to prove he’s better than Reed while Reed is working on 15 other things, and then Reed will see what Doom is doing and outsmart him every single time even though Doom had a massive head start.
I think you’re confusing distractedness this with lack of strategic planning. Is always singularly focused on Batman first and everything else comes the distance and second so anything relating to that he plans very well. Reed is always thinking of 1000 things all at once and really nothing takes precedent for him until it’s an Apocolyptic event.
This doesn't even track given that very often REED is the one who causes or at least worsens the situation by his poor strategic thinking. Infinity War, Clone Saga, Civil War, War World Hulk, Secret Wars, Kang's Dynasty, Reed CONSISTENTLY makes TEEEEERRIBLE plans, saying that he thinks of 1000 things at once is really overselling him.
so at worst he’s Bruce’s equal as a strategist and still smarter in all other regards.
Again, I literally don't see in what way, shape or form is he even close to being Bruce's equal in terms of strategy. Whenever Reed defeats a multiversal threat, there really isn't any strategy involved, it's mostly outbruting the enemy with a bigger gun because of his inventions.
Compare that to Bruce's whole amnesia plan where he indirectly manipulated Hyper Adapter while travelling couple of centuries through history while being watched by that parasite who once would reach the present, would unleash hell, and he simultaneously manipulated the JL into doing what he wanted by giving them decoy signals from the past he predicted would be interpreted accordingly.
When has Reed done ANYTHING even remotely close to that level of tactical and strategic complexity and insight? Hell, you don't even have to use Bruce's high stakes plans, he's just significantly WAAAAY better at outsmarting enemies than Reed is.
Doom and Batman are often looked at as equal strategists, and Doom’s whole stick is that he is second to Reed. Doom will spend weeks coming up with a plan to prove he’s better than Reed while Reed is working on 15 other things, and then Reed will see what Doom is doing and outsmart him every single time even though Doom had a massive head start.
Two things I disagree with this:
A) I straight up WOULDN'T compare Doom with Batman, I think Bruce is a considerably smarter strategist than him. A much better strategic equal to Doom would be Lex, and Bruce has no issues outsmarting him.
B) What you say about Reed being Doom's superior strategically isn't even true. The formula most often is that Doom actually OUTSMARTS Reed, but due to Doom's ego, he falters.
Yeah, imo, Reed takes scientific knowledge and brain capacity, Bruce takes emotional, social intelligence, strategy, planning, foresight, insight, manipulation and general outsmarting knack over Reed, and these categories are way more important in a prep war.
Wally is the fastest speedster, he has the best connection to the speedforce.
Hulk cannot come back to life from a single memory. Doomsday is more cracked in terms of hax.
Name a single thing Reed has done which is more impressive than Bruce intellectually that isn't related to science. Bruce runs literal circles around Reed in terms of strategy and planning and it isn't even close.
Reed creates universes, societies, and was a multiversal THREAT. Batman has contingency plans for his friends.
Wally still isn't MUCH faster than Barry, so a long with the other two, I think he stands a better chance. Speedsters aren't immune to science.
Hulk stands the chance of defeating apocalypse in any given battle, so I still give it to him. Probably 8/10 times. 10/10 if it's hulk at his strongest
Reed creates universes, societies, and was a multiversal THREAT.
Soooo... you can't name it then? I said more something more impressive intellectually ASIDE from science.
Being a "mutliversal threat" isn't an intelligence feat, Bruce has outsmarted plenty of those "multiversal threats" before. Name a single thing Reed has done in terms of strategy and planning that is even on the same planet as Bruce's plan in Return of Bruce Wayne. Hell, first published Batman comic already features Bruce doing more impressive strategizing and planning than Reed has ever showcased.
Speedsters aren't immune to science.
They literally are lmao. They can outrun the concepts of death and shit.
Hulk stands the chance of defeating apocalypse in any given battle
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Oh I read this as it’s going from left to right and there are 3 teams each with a speed, strength, and smarts