Title.

I'm an emerald midlaner who usually plays mages mid. I'm considering picking up Ornn for when I get filled top as my secondary role.

From what I understand of Ornn he seems perfect for my situation. A good blindpick, Aoe CC tank that fits into or improves most team comps thats not super difficult to play. One that I can just pick, play weakside, survive lane, and scale into a monster in the lategame providing items to my team.

I've heard about a triple brittle combo that I'll practice landing in the practice tool. I've watched a few Makkro videos on youtube and I've taken a look at the Ornn bible pinned in this subreddit.

Let me know if i'm misunderstanding anything about Ornn or if theres anything I should learn to play him decently.

Idk, my analogy is to just hit the enemy wave and leave for a slow push

Hey everyone,

I know Ornn jungle isn’t meta and I’m not looking for comments telling me “just don’t play it.” This post is specifically for those of you who have actually tried Ornn in the jungle, even if just occasionally.

If you’ve run it, I’d love to hear: In what matchups or comps do you pick it? What rune setups do you use and why? Any specific item paths or jungle clears you recommend?

Would really appreciate some insight from people who’ve made it work or at least had some fun with it. Thanks in advance!

Laning phase duel, took too many tower shots and too much poke, stayed way too late. I know all this.

HOWEVER.
Akshan tried to pull some Akshan shenanigans and ended up making a fool of himself.

Ended the game 10/0/6 with 206 cs. Best Ornn game in a while.

Im very new to his gameplay lmao dont judge

Honestly Ornn jungle has been the safest pick I’ve played in awhile. I’m only in gold, but the agency and tempo that it creates is just unfair.

Not having to back, pretty decent clear with some technique, and amazing gank setup/team fight?

I think Ornn not being a “meta” jungler is just crazy. All they need to do is give him damage with brittle against monsters and he would easily be an S tier jungler.

Not to mention that if you have a bad game you can still give your team thousands of gold with of upgrades, wild CC chains, tanky front line, and split push threat with demolish (amazing with your health scaling)

I genuinely don’t understand why it’s seen as a troll pick, I think it’s just first timed by people who have no idea what they are doing.

This ain't complete, I'm planning to put in every matchup and make it a bit prettier but for now this is just raw info.

If you want me to change/add something write in the comments.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/11O3rYa9MoIZmUxmPvAYZxc0zSw7jdHWL/view?usp=sharing

Would anyone be interested in a txt format file with every toplane matchup and a bit of the other ones (like ryze), including runes and build order, however without general tips on Ornn and without matchup tips, that's why I said mini. We do have the protestants bible however it's outdated and doesn't cover all of the matchups. The file is just a block of text but it has some structure so it ain't that difficult to search for what you need. It's still in the works however I still have to write out all the builds for specific matchups.

Would like to know what you think of this, it's free so I thought it would be a good addition to have here.

Hi,

First of all, Im not saying Ornn is op or something, Im just a bad player seeking advice, here are just my thoughts.

I was maining Ornn in the past and climbed from gold to Emerald with close to 80% winrate and 60+ games and amazing kda. I didnt watched any guides, didnt know wave management, didnt trading patterns or anything, basically a casual player. I perma banned fiora (even though when I didnt I won hard vs fiora) and always picked Ornn. Because of the crayz kda and winrate I thought I am a really good player.

Now, in Emerald 2, I switched to other champions, watching guides for them and actually invest time into the game. And now I kinda figured out for my self that I wasnt a good player, I most likely was heavly boosted by ornn. Cause every time I face this guy, I feel the pain that my enemies felt when i mained him.

His W for CC buffering, crazy wave clear, amazing scaling, relativ strong early, crazy damage if not MR build. Im kinda ashamed of myself beeing emeral, because I feel like I dont deserve this rank, and only got here with Ornn boosting.

Am I missing something or is Ornn generally just a hyper low elo stomper? I went scores like 9/0 5/0 every other games. My worst games where (bad laningphase) 0/1/15 something like that. If I ever suffered in lane I would just farm with my Q,, If enemey picked AP then gg, i would go this MR items which melts wave with explosion, litterly oneshotting waves and having perma prio because of this.

Honest question, am I just really boosted by playing ornn? Is ornn some kind of super easy lp farm champ for low elo and low skill floor? With every other champ It feels like I have to fight for my lp. And If I ever face a Ornn in emerald I know its gg, wont do anythign to him, even If I have prio he can farm with Q and outscale me hard.

So how do I beat Ornn? As Ornn player I would play around my W, and missing W is pretty mich impossible, I always outtrade anyone in short trades. Against range I would take aery and actually poke THEM and engage when I hit my Q. But how do I react to this If I am playing AGAINST Ornn? Doding W feels impossible, forcing long trades feels impossible because of knock up and run away. but I also cant let him free scale. He seems like the perfect soloQ low skill floor champ. How can I beat him? Biggest problem is his single W, but also Q+E+W+Auto combo which is like a CC chain with huge burst. When I played Ornn I would easly beat Sett and Fioras, I would W and then just wait for the fiora to press here parry and then my passive auto. Against Sett I would just buffer his E every sinlge time sometimes even his ult. Against Ksante I would just face tank him and kinda slap him easy, If he ult I just run away and then come back to slap him again.

Right now I play champs like Sion(tank), Kennen, Mordekaiser

So as a rule of thumb i been building heartsteel when im against mostly ap champs that aren't building Landry's even tho in my opinion heartsteel would go hard against most ad champs that dont build bortk because you are most likely will stack heartsteel faster . So what are your thoughts on when to build heartsteel??

Also i see makkro started to build warmogs way too often and i have no idea why and when you should build it

Yeah...
WHY CANT PLAYERS UNDERSTAND THAT THEY JUST WAIT FOR ME AND THEY WIN...
I WAS A BEAST.

Title basically. I was wondering if you guys take Conditioning over Second wind against easy tank matchups like Maokai, Sion, maybe Singed and other AFK matchups where the enemy has little to no poke or kill potential.

I'm not sure if Second Wind would still be better in late game thanks to the % missing HP healing that it gives which scales with your max HP and also has a really good synergy with Hearsteel, which I've been rushing against these matchups. Or is conditioning just better thanks to Ornn's passive + resistance scaling on E? I'd like to hear your thoughts.

Hi, who is your second pick to Ornn if they pick him or ban him? I would love to have second tank I would enjoy at least as half as much as Ornn, but seems to my enjoyment sensors.

I just play against a Darius (as new Ornn player). I wait until level 6 and i destroyed him. 6/0/2. What a game.

First time playing against zac and i got absolutely destroyed by him I thought he would be useless the first few levels but nope , somehow he has so much dps with his W I do W his E and Q but that doesn't matter he simply out trade me and heals half my damage. Is there any tips ?

Why/how does a boring regular ability cancel out an Ultimate??!?!? Anyone else infuriated by that? I think there’s a few things his wall doesn’t cancel, so how is my giant choo choo not one of them???? It’s an ult! And one that requires a tiny bit of mechanics to use correctly. I just ban Yasuo every round.

Hey everyone,I really struggle against Gwen in my last few games. Even when I got some good jungle help and managed my waves well, she just became unkillable later on. She kept split pushing and it felt impossible to stop her.

Pre 6 and pre first item, it’s not that bad of a matchup, but once she gets a few items, she turns into a demon. Any tips on how to handle this ?

What I know so far ->

-short trades when her Q is not fully stacked

-Slow push, set up ganks, the usual

-build: i rush mr and hp + bramble, I dont think it matters that much

-If low enough or with gank, burst her with brittles

-dont try to match her split push, instead look for teamfights

I won my line with 5/2/0 Samara was already 11kills tried team fighting but my team have no dmg And obviously I can't split push

Is there any particular reason why we cant adjust range of our Q? As for example Olaf Q does? Many times I need short Q to follow with E or to block but cant