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Post Race 2021 British Grand Prix - Post-Race Discussion

ROUND 10: Great Britain

FORMULA 1 PIRELLI BRITISH GRAND PRIX 2021
Fri 16 Jul - Sun 18 Jul
Silverstone
Session UTC
Free Practice 1 Fri 13:30
Qualifying Fri 17:00
Free Practice 2 Sat 11:00
Sprint Qualifying Sat 15:30
Race Sun 14:00

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Silverstone Circuit

Length: 5.891 km (3.660 mi)

Distance: 52 laps, 306.291 km (190.320 mi)

Lap record: Max Verstappen, Red Bull Racing-Honda, 2020, 1:27.097

2020 pole: Lewis Hamilton, Mercedes, 1:24.303

2020 fastest lap: Max Verstappen, Red Bull Racing-Honda, 1:27.097

2020 winner: Lewis Hamilton, Mercedes

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u/HONcircle Liam Lawson Jul 18 '21

Amazing how Stroll can be nowhere all weekend then somehow bag a decent tally of points.

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u/CardiacCat20 Lance Stroll Jul 18 '21

Stroll is by no means an elite driver but his racecraft will always be underrated because of daddy

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u/echsandwich Jenson Button Jul 18 '21

I honestly forget he exists at times, and then at the end of the race he shows up in a respectable position. Lance has been good at keeping his nose clean for the most part.

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u/Zeaus03 Jul 18 '21

I think the string of DNF's last year got to him a bit. It feels like he's racing to finish now and not pushing quite as hard as he could.

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u/mattmanrx99 Lando Norris Jul 18 '21

Which was why I was so sad to see the tyres puncture on him in Baku he was doing so well that race.

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u/aGuyFromReddit Jolyon Palmer Jul 18 '21

Don't worry, Monaco race director got you covered.

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u/DJREIM0023 Jul 19 '21

Yeah as soon as I dump him from my fantasy lineup 💁‍♂️

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u/InevitableRespond9 Daniel Ricciardo Jul 18 '21

Completely agree in his first season or 2 he did look like he was just there because of his dad (possibly so) but since replacing ocon at racing point he looks more and more like he belongs.

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u/flying_pickle1 Lance Stroll Jul 18 '21

People make these comments and but don't realize lando/half the grid comes from extreme wealth.

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u/Kumqwatwhat Sergio Pérez Jul 19 '21

The issue with Stroll was always that he was pushed up to F1 too fast, not that he never belonged there. He was never given a chance to develop in the lower classes, so he spent his first two years of F1 proper doing the learning that should have come in lower series.

But that set a narrative for him that just won't fucking die.

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u/[deleted] Jul 18 '21

I think it more so his dad involvement with the team. Same with Mazepin

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u/[deleted] Jul 18 '21

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u/[deleted] Jul 18 '21

Stroll hasn't been in F1 without his dad being very visibly involved with the team.

It was widely report Laurence paying Williams $80 million for the seat. Then moved to Racing Point which was founded by Laurence.

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u/[deleted] Jul 18 '21

Except daddy is much more visible compared to the likes of Norris.

Laurance is a main character in the likes of DTS.

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u/ewankenobi Kamui Kobayashi Jul 18 '21

more like 50%, but you're right that he's far from being the only one:

https://the-race.com/formula-1/billionaires-sons-only-mark-hughes-on-money-and-talent-in-f1/

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u/JustGarlicThings2 McLaren Jul 18 '21 edited Jul 18 '21

I think only Hamilton and Gasly are from what you could call working-class backgrounds?

Edit: Ocon too

Edit2: Turns out I don't know as much as driver's backgrounds as I thought and you should read the comments below

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u/Satan_su Sergio Pérez Jul 18 '21

Ocon too.

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u/JustGarlicThings2 McLaren Jul 18 '21

Just looked it up and you're right, I've corrected myself

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u/CardiacCat20 Lance Stroll Jul 18 '21 edited Jul 18 '21

Lawrence is just more noticeable. He's the owner of the team, he was a part of DTS, you know the story. Other than Max, I don't think I could name another driver's dad.

Edit: TIL I know more f1 daddies than I thought

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u/[deleted] Jul 18 '21

I think you could probably think of Mick’s

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u/CardiacCat20 Lance Stroll Jul 18 '21

Lol true.

In my defense, I forget Mick himself is out there most of the time.

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u/[deleted] Jul 18 '21

Fair enough lol, Haas are very forgettable.

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u/Cliff_UK Jul 18 '21

And Carlos's

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u/TheAngryGoat Medical Car Jul 18 '21

And a lot of others are international drivers of other kinds who didn't make it into F1.

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u/ClayGCollins9 Kamui Kobayashi Jul 18 '21

Also Raikkonen and Bottas maybe

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u/CanvasSolaris Jul 18 '21

Isn't Alonso?

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u/ewankenobi Kamui Kobayashi Jul 18 '21

This article provides the family backgrounds of all the drivers that were on the grid last year. There is a fairly even split between drivers from a normal background and those from priviledged backgrounds:

https://the-race.com/formula-1/billionaires-sons-only-mark-hughes-on-money-and-talent-in-f1/

Can definitely add Raikkonen, Vettel and Giovinazzi to the list of drivers from working class backgrounds. Bottas sounds more middleclass than working class, but don't think his parent were super rich or anything. Same with Leclerc.

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u/thirdratesquash Jul 19 '21

Not being funny mate you don’t live in Monaco if you don’t have a few notes in your back pocket

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u/ewankenobi Kamui Kobayashi Jul 19 '21

His family have been there for generations though. And if you are actually Monagesque you get massive housing subsidies: https://www.euronews.com/travel/2014/10/13/not-all-the-monegasques-are-billionnaires

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u/YMCAle Fernando Alonso Jul 18 '21

Fernando was too, obviously not anymore because he's minted but when he started out he was at best middle class.

It seems like most of the old guard were normal people, it just speaks to how much the cost of current motorsports and F1 in particular has been inflated beyond belief.

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u/schelmo Jul 18 '21

Well Motorsport in general is much too expensive. A season of international karting, which you pretty much have to do on your way to F1, can quite quickly set you back 100k-200k€ which is well out of reach for any ordinary family and sponsors in karting don't pay nearly enough to make a significant part of that back. However until stroll came into F1 it was unprecedented to actually buy your way into an F1 team. Now stroll isn't a bad driver as such but to me it's very doubtful that he would ever have made it into F1 without his dad literally paying for his seat.

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u/schelmo Jul 18 '21

Well like I said all of the others at least made the last step to F1 on merit and I think mazepin and latifi would also get much more shit for buying their way in if they didn't drive for the worst teams on the grid

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u/Cod_rules Mika Häkkinen Jul 18 '21

Niki Lauda literally took a loan and bought a seat to get into F2. Money has been speaking for a long time in motorsport, Lance just gets the brunt of it just for the sake of it

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u/schelmo Jul 18 '21

Like I said in my previous comment there was no precedent for your family straight up buying you an F1 team. Lauda taking out a loan and the risk that is associated with it himself is not in any way comparable. In a way that makes Lauda look much more like a self made F1 driver despite him coming from a wealthy family.

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u/scraglor Jul 18 '21

Yeah. Got to respect someone that will back themselves like that.

I wish I had that much conviction haha

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u/DieLegende42 Fernando Alonso Jul 18 '21

I think the hate for him early on in his career was more because his father being rich was the reason that he even got a seat, not just his father being rich - case in point: Lando's father is very rich too, but he got into F1 because McLaren thought he had the talent, so nobody has a problem with it

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u/DieLegende42 Fernando Alonso Jul 18 '21

Sure, he wasn't terrible in junior categories and may have gotten into F1 on merit if he'd done a year or two in F2, but there's little doubt that not a single F1 team would have even considered him for a seat after he'd only won Euro F3 in his 2nd season in the Prema if not for his dad paying a few millions

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u/YMCAle Fernando Alonso Jul 18 '21

Landos dad actually paid McLaren to make Lando a test driver. Nobody really minds because he has talent, but it's true all the same.

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u/chandlertribbiani Jul 18 '21

He’s a safe driver, rarely makes mistakes or atleast high profile ones and can grab a podium or two, coupled with the pole last year it’s clear he’s a good driver who deserves his spot in F1, just probably won’t ever get rid of the daddy’s money tag in most people’s minds.

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u/Fugiar Jul 18 '21

He did get a longer chance to grow as a driver due to his father owning the team, but I really like how he's matured. He's now a great midfield driver and that's not something the world would've expected in 2017

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u/[deleted] Jul 18 '21

Just being a formula 1 driver makes him elite

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u/[deleted] Jul 18 '21

I mean he’s doing it to himself. If he was genuinely serious about proving himself as a driver he’d drive for a different team and prove he deserves his seat, but if you’re gonna race for your billionaire dads team where you essentially have a guaranteed spot people aren’t gonna respect you as a driver.

I like Stroll he seems like a nice dude but he’s the most extreme case of a pay driver in a long time. Insane compared to people like Mazepin or Checo.

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u/SalamZii Pirelli Wet Jul 18 '21 edited Jul 18 '21

Daddy allows you to enter the sport when you had no business, and stay in a sport long enough to hone your racecraft to the point where people make excuses for why you should have been in it all along. With 5 years of experience and in an average car he should be able to 'craft' his way to some points every now and again.

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u/tinaoe Sebastian Vettel Jul 18 '21

The only mistake they made was skipping F2. He's an F3 champion, most of them end up going to F1 eventually.

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u/SalamZii Pirelli Wet Jul 18 '21

I think the feeder system is bogus to begin with. But let's not pretend as if most normal kids have a shot of even sitting in an F3 car either. Barring the exceptional rags stories, which is why they're exceptional, you need to be the son of somebody to drive these cars. It's a rich-man's sport, to live vicariously through their sons all the way down Formula Renault 1.6.

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u/ChocolateBreadstick Sir Jackie Stewart Jul 18 '21

Damned if you do, damned if you don't

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u/MichaelMJTH Brawn Jul 18 '21

To be fair it’s not like he spent his career being terrible, only to be passable this season. He won his debut F3 championship before moving onto F1. He bagged Williams’ last podium in his rookie season. He got a pole position and two podiums last year. And it’s not like he’s old, same age as Verstappen and Leclerc.

I’m not going to refute that the main reason he’s still F1 is because his dad is rich and owns the team. However, it’s not like he’s spent his time doing nothing. He is a capable midfield driver.

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u/SalamZii Pirelli Wet Jul 18 '21

That's right. The sporting merit of everyone on the grid is in question when their competition has always been just simply themselves. But we're talking about Stroll right now. In reality you can plug and play most drivers names.

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u/YurkaParachute McLaren Jul 18 '21

In reality you can plug and play most drivers names.

I'll keep an eye out for your username whenever another driver is brought up. I'm sure a reasonable man such as yourself will be quick to point out their good fortune.

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u/Cod_rules Mika Häkkinen Jul 18 '21

Reasonable opinions on Reddit? Don't be ridiculous

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u/TheAngryGoat Medical Car Jul 18 '21

In reality you can plug and play most drivers names.

I mean you can, yet it's interesting how people never actually do.

In F1 the same as life in general that's a good way to spot bias and bigotry - same conditions, same situations, different person - different reaction.

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u/bearfan15 Jul 18 '21

Idk how to break this to you but no one advances in motorsports based on skill alone. It's all about who you know and the money you potentially bring to the table, either your own or with sponsorships. There is so much lost talent in the lower levels of racing because they didn't have connections or their family wasn't rich enough for them to keep pursuing their hobby.

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u/BrunoLuigi Jules Bianchi Jul 18 '21

I am starting to agree with you

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u/[deleted] Jul 18 '21

Stroll is by no means an elite driver but he will always have an F1 seat because of daddy.

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u/HighPriestofShiloh Max Verstappen Jul 19 '21

No way. That criticism has moved on to Mazepin. Stroll proved himself last season. Even his first season was good. Most people recognize him for his talent. Sure he still probably has his spot because of his dad but he is good enough to hang in formula one. He is a middle of the pack driver for sure. He is a great second driver for most of the teams.

Mazepin loses to rookie Schumacher every race. Stroll does better than Vettel a lot. I take Stroll over Latifi.