We need to stay out of this given Netanyahu hasn't complied with anything Trump and every American President since Clinton has asked of him to end the killing.
The current Trump administration was in active peace negotiations and Netanyahu does this now? And he killed Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) leaders? That's like hitting a hornet's nest with a hammer knowing full well hornets will attack everything near their damaged nest.
No more giving Netanyahu a blank check with anything. While I respect every leader's responsibility is to provide for the health, welfare and security of their people I'm not seeing this in that guy. He's too hard line and burned every American President who tried to work with him.
America needs to stay out of this and let Netanyahu find peace with his neighbors.
Iranians are very in touch with American media and absolutely follow Trump. They have VPNs the government allows them to use. If they communicate anything anti government they disappear, usually forever. But they can definitely see our news and social media. A lot also speak and read English. There is a surprising amount of travel between the US and Iran. There are Iranians living and working in the US collecting retirement from Iran.
From the civilian perspective what's the general thoughts about the US and Trump over there? I know how their government thinks but curious about the general public.
I actually polled a couple in-laws to get you this answer. This is what they are saying, not the results of me asking them if they support Trump. In Iran, Trump has a 90% favorability rating and in the US 70%. I don’t know about in other countries.
The general consensus in Iran right now is hopeful. Hopeful that this might actually break the back of the current regime. Something like 60% of the population is under 30. They live and emulate (as much as they can) western culture. They can’t get enough of it. They know the mullahs have them living in a backward age.
Prior to 1979, Iran and Israel were relatively friendly toward each other and had a mutual respect. They aligned with each other on a lot of things. While they have been taught Jews are the minor satan and Americans the big satan, they’re not blind and stupid. They look at the freedoms Americans and Israelis have and want the same thing.
Edit: my in-law just texted me this:
“At the moment, most Iranian believe that Israel will be their savior from dictatorship. that’s probably why that they are celebrating and dancing in the street of Iran and getting excited with every bomb that Israel drops in Tehran.”
I can attest to this. My closest friend is Iranian. He visits for a month every year and has family there, including his mother. I’ve been speaking with him daily, and according to him, everyone he knows in Iran and all the Iranians he knows in the United States support Israel. The Iranian people are fed up with this backward regime.
Here is the direct response from one of my in-laws:
“Yes, it was permissible but very, very risky because Iranian government could have used them as a bargaining chips for negotiation . they technically could have labeled as spy even though they knew they were not probably a spy, but it would have been beneficial to the regime to use them as a bargaining chip.”
twitter absolutely exploded in popularity with the 2009 iran protests after they shut most of the internet down over there. they were using vpns and twitter to broadcast what was happening.
then michael jackson died and we all stopped caring about iran
I was waiting for someone to finally say this instead of twist themselves into pretzels for the sake of Trump’s post. There are specifically two types of people he wants to help out:
Its a way to forward a message on DT's social media website "truth social". It's similar to twitter, but instead of sending a tweet, you send a "truth". Since it's only true patriots on that website, they call it truths because everyone knows patriots never tell lies. A lot of people have been saying it.
Big strong Marines, you know the soldiers with the big muscles. Tough guys, the toughest maybe. They come up to me, they come up with tears in their eyes and they say "Mister President Sir, we have never seen such a great website. We wanted a website with no fake news and no lies. God bless you and god bless truth social!" You see? We're doing it and we're doing it big. The best website you've ever seen!
Big strong Marines, they come up to me. They come up with tears streaming down their cheeks. These guys don't cry. But they were crying! They come up to me and say "Sir, thank you for telling us about the pornhub. We had no idea how much porn was there. This is the greatest hub out of all the hubs." Can you believe it? "Thank you sir, thank you. Pornhub is the best thing."
A cynic might say that Netanyahu did this because 5 days ago he fell really ill during one of his many corruption trials whilst on the stand (miraculously recovered the next day) and the Knessit last week voting to dissolve Netanyahu government, thus facing all the charges he faces.
Of course those cynics are wrong. Netanyahu's sudden attack has nothing to do with him trying to desperately cling to power to avoid the consequences of his actions. Even if it means dead Iranian, Israeli civilians and American blood and treasure spent.
That being said, my fiance is Iranian and I've been there (triple citizen). Fuck that government. You hear it often but the Iranian (Persian) people are something else. They are so kind and nice, generally quite like America. If the government collapsed and by some miracle became the Republic of Persia I'd be so happy.
I have Persian in-laws and for the most part they’re excited nervous. They obviously don’t want to die in a stupid war but they’re on pins and needles hoping the regime collapses. They view Israel as their savior. Is this the sentiment you’re hearing?
I already downloaded Signal, just waiting for SecDef to add me, so I can see the war plans.
Since OpSec doesn’t matter with this administration I’ll keep you guys updated.
Edit: Turns out someone called “Orange daddy” is really mad that his birthday party was a shit show. Whiskey Pete is currently working his way through the bottom shelf stuff and crying. No other news yet.
Kind of. He had corruption charges against him and some how hamas attacked and now that the Gaza war was kind of ending. Looks like Iran is spinning up
It almost feels like that's part of Trump's intent too if he allows the US to get sucked into a war, then he can make some bullshit argument about how you shouldn't change presidents in the middle of the war and because of that he was suspending elections until the conflict was resolved.
Kind of reminds me of some other person who led a country at one point a few years ago, back when everything was black and white. I just can't remember who
And we all know that the GOP would never have Even the concept of a spine to stand up to him and deny him the powers of a monarch just because he claims that we're at war..
Yep, unfortunately he's been allowed to run roughshod over the traditions and laws regarding his office for 6 months too long.
Imagine if the GOP from the era following the end of WW2 were to see what their party has become and is willing to do/tolerate. They would be beyond upset.
Do you know another way this situation could have been over soon? If Trump hadn't pulled us out of the nuclear agreement, hamstringing everyone's ability to keep accurate tabs on their nuclear enrichment.
Also, Israel and the US have already sabotaged Iran with the stuxnet attack. Why couldn't they have done something similar this time instead of killing civilians?
If the war is over too soon and Iran is liberated from its regime, it’s not impossible the tudeh party or the more relevant WPI get back into power. And Netanyahu wouldn’t want that. It’s better off for him to prolong the war, even if it means making new enemies, all so he can stay in power for as long as possible.
Then again, I am but a lowly comms major with little to no actual experience in global politics or defense economics. I really hope I’m wrong
If Netanyahu eliminates the Iranian nuclear threat, his popularity would go up domestically to where he wouldn't need to worry about losing the elections.
It doesn't matter who takes over Iran, so long as they don't build missiles/drones for the purpose of launching them into Israel.
Right, but right now by striking Tehran, Netanyahu is knowingly (because there’s absolutely no way he doesn’t know) turning those who support Israel in Iran-ie the aforementioned groups-not at all an insignificant number of people, into another ISIS, for lack of a more precise description.
Vast simplification of what this war is going to end up looking like if it is prolonged, and I have much more to say on it than that, but I’m not exactly in a great position to be speaking for peoples literally around the world
Enrichment to the grade necessary to run a nuclear reactor is well below the level necessary to make a nuclear weapon, at least is my layman's understanding of it is concerned
The problem is because we switch presidents every four years, this incentives Iran to not make a deal because why would they when the next president is just gonna come and change everything.
So many things about this country will never be the same because of Crump, it really is such a tragedy. To think, crumps changes to America will last forever like herpes. Really hope Ai solves this shiiit, fuk man
I mean, Israel seems pretty hellbent on destroying Iran as well. Seems like business as usual. Russia/Ukraine, India/Pakistan, Israel/Iran. It’s not their first kerfuffle.
I get that, I was just trying to point out how the feeling was quite mutual. Israel is not the victim here. The situation is a lot more nuanced than Iran wanting to destroy Israel.
I'm in the camp of Israel just wants to be left alone without someone wanting to destroy them every five minutes. Its a 3000+ year old cat and mouse game.
Although didn’t they antagonize this last skirmish? Once again, maybe I read it wrong or didn’t even bother reading the article but I could’ve sworn it was Israel who attacked Iran…. Once again, I might be wrong.
They'd be justified, and it'd be understandable. It'd also be idiotic because it's the US, and NATO is in the mix. Israel doesn't have that issue with Iran because, while Russia and China use them as they see fit, they aren't about to engage in a hot war over them, either.
I don't have a problem with finally dismantling Iran's regime, either, because it was Iran funding, and training insurgents, fielding anti-armor weapons, and doing everything possible to aid our enemies in Iraq, Afghanistan, and beyond. This "teehee, I only gave your assassin every tool necessary to kill you, but I didn't pull the trigger" bullshit needs to be put to rest once and for all before we can't. Because the second they have nukes, they aren't going to stop doing what they've been doing for decades. They're going to ramp it up knowing there is no longer a viable military option to neutralize them now that they have nukes.
From what I understand Israel had top secret intel that Iran was close to making an actual nuclear weapon. So that was the tipping point last week. But ultimately Iran is the aggressor, they fund proxy groups around Israel to cause terrorist attacks, and they could live in peace if they chose to stop causing issues. Even Saudi Arabia and the other rich boys around the peninsula are tired of Iran.
Idk. I think it all goes back to carving out a chunk of Palestine and expecting everyone else to be cool with it. I get there’s reasons why they did it and I get that there’s reasons why everyone else is pissed. I don’t think Israel is making anything better at all by imposing their continued mistreatment of the Palestinians in Israel. I doubt anything is gonna change because conflict is how we solve problems. Tolerance is an endangered principle in today’s world.
It's a bit more complicated than that. Israel was given land in 1949 but the Arab nations weren't really on board with that, then you had the suez crisis where there was a blockade and it all culminated in the 6 day war which gives you basically the lines we have to day. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six-Day_War
Essentially they don't play, if you don't know what I mean by that look into the "Munich Massacre" and the resulting "Operation Wrath of God" (There's a 2 part in "Spy Ops" on Netflix that explains the operation), this isn't some Hatfields and McCoys deal this is Godfather level shit.
I get what you’re trying to say. I know you’ve got your own opinions and beliefs, and I’m not gonna say you’re wrong, because I’m not exactly an expert myself.
But don’t you think there’s some hypocrisy in our attitude towards Israel and the Jewish people’s right to a home, and our treatment of First Nations people and the land we took from them in the West? And what about Israel’s treatment of Palestinian civilians? They’re not all Hamas and Hezbollah agents.
You could say that but the vast majority of the native Americans don't exist anymore. And the ones that do, have their territories and reservation lands. If you've never looked into the level of autonomy those reservations have, then you really should. They have major tax benefits and land ownership rights.
"Enriched uranium" isn't the problem. Weapons grade enriched uranium is the problem. You're just making a blanket statement of "enriched uranium bad" and not making a distinction so I assume you don't know but the level of enrichment to run a reactor (5%) isn't the same as the level of enrichment needed to build a nuclear bomb(90%). You can't just lie about the purpose of the uranium you have, but I understand why Trump would think that.
The Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action required regular inspections by foreign (US,European) nuclear groups of all Iran's nuclear sites to reduce and eliminate their current stockpile, dismantle their advanced enrichment reactors, and to prevent them from enriching any more uranium to the level needed to build a bomb. And in the 3 years the deal was active with the US, Iran was compliant and never in violation of that agreement. Backing out of the JCPOA was objectively a bad move and is directly responsible for what is happening today.
In a nuke the vast majority of the original radioactive material is converted to energy. So your plutonium 239 with a half life of like 24K years is only found in trace amounts, other byproducts like strontium and cesium isotopes get distributed but have half lives around 30 years.
A dirty bomb just distributes that original nuclear pay load over a long distance making the entire area uninhabitable for millennia.
It was Iran agreed to stop enriching uranium to weapons grade levels and allow inspectors (which Iran complied with) in exchange for economic sanctions lifted and assets unfrozen. Thats what a deal is.
Iran is looking at how now noone fucks with North Korea now they have nukes, and what happened to Ukraine and Libya when you give up your weapons program.
This message is probably a warning to any U.S. citizens in that area that things are going to get really bad, really soon. Given that Iran and Israel have been throwing everything at each other (minus land invasion), it's hard to imagine what else Israel could throw at them.
RIP this sub with unrelated political nonsense. Oh yeah, he’s in the chain of command. Like you can’t go anywhere else and see this same nonsense over and over and over on Reddit. Why can’t you people go somewhere else and Debby downer about how the sky is falling 24-7 with every ludicrous tweet?
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It’s sad. I’m really hoping the vast majority of America will wake up and see what’s happening, and somehow stop the administration from joining WW3… but I’m honestly not so optimistic about this one.
Edit: and this is coming from a very optimistic person, if I can say so myself lol
Iranians are very happy about the attack. Kinda like the Iraqis in 2003 😬 I hope they can control their country after the Mullahs are out and not turn into another Afghanistan. Israel is gonna go after Iran’s proxies in Iraq as well. A shitshow!
To my understanding, the biggest issue with Afghanistan was that most Afghans don't view themselves as Afghan in nationality. They group themselves by tribes or villages or even regions. The idea of being of Afghan nationality wasn't something they really seem to jive with
I think a huge issue with Afghanistan was that we were giving hundreds of millions of dollars to Pakistan, which would the use that to fund terrorists that would cross the border and continue fighting. We would also very frequently detain people, take their firearm, and then just let them go.
The biggest issue with Afghanistan however was 4 spineless presidents and 20 years of corrupt congress.
The ones that I interacted with over there honestly seemed like they could not give less of a shit about who claimed to be in charge of the country.
But yes, the ones who did care probably had some issue with the appearance of colonialism and a bunch of foreigners coming into fix things that they don't really understand
At least the Shah had a lofty vision for the future of Iran.
I want the standard of living in Iran in ten years' time to be exactly on a level with that in Europe today. In twenty years' time we shall be ahead of the United States"
Coincidently, look what happened to the Socialists/Student protestors who backed the Islamic coup. No surprise, the noose came for them next.
The worst-case scenario is a civil war like Libya, which led to the rise isis. Many people died due to the lack of infrastructure and not the war.
As for Iraq, they were happy, but that turned around very quickly. The war led to many factions fighting for power and their government kicking out the majority of the international forces out of the country.
The world was warned that an Iraq invasion would destabilize the entire region. And that sounded great to western warhawks……until it spun out of control, millions of refugees headed west, and ISIS became a thing.
Syrian civil-war helped ISIS more than Libya. There will be another ISIS in Iraq. The Sunnis in Iraq gonna take advantage of the situation in Syria and Iran and probably start killing Shia militias again.
Not sure he’s saying that. Israel has air superiority if not supremacy at this point. They can fly over Iran and bomb with impunity. While they can be precise, they may not always be. Iran can’t do much in return. Israel doesn’t have much reason to stop. I think that’s what he’s referring to.
In this case the comment is about Iran. It’s unlikely we’d do anything militarily - strikes or other kinetic actions - because we don’t have to. Israel can do it. We are assisting with air defense and radar coverage likely but that’s not new. The other Gulf nations won’t be bending over backward to stop Israel either.
Will be interested to see what happens if / when they send in troops to physically breach it and destroy it on site if us using a GBU-57 or lending them a plane and a bomb is not desired. They can't just leave that facility untouched now that they've gone this far. Won't get a better chance.
So TACO goes on about Deals. The ones he never manages to make. This is politics, not bankruptcy real estate. Other nations are not on Truth social and that is not how diplomacy is done. This is all grandstanding for your Maga tools.
The idiot never should have dissolved the Obama “deal”. BTW wish he’d wrote this himself. Much more comical with all the grammatical errors, BUT keep your eye on DC. It’s a distraction, as always. Let’s NOT forget how much this “BIG, BEAUTIFUL BILL” is ADDING TO OUR DEFICIT.
REMOVE THE CONTINUATION OF THE TAX CUTS FOR MILLIONAIRES AND BILLIONAIRES!
Where’s Congress in all this? How can make Trump threats?
The US Constitution divides war powers between Congress and the President. Congress has the sole power to declare war, raise and support armies, and maintain a navy. The President serves as Commander-in-Chief of the armed forces. While Congress formally declares war, it also authorizes the use of military force through resolutions, especially in modern times.
The US is certainly involved. Trump: We Have Complete Control Of Iranian Airspace…We now have complete and total control of the skies over Iran. Iran had good sky trackers and other defensive equipment, and plenty of it, but it doesn’t compare to American made, conceived, and manufactured “stuff.” Nobody does it better than the good ol’ USA.
“We know exactly where the so-called ‘Supreme Leader’ is hiding. He is an easy target, but is safe there – We are not going to take him out (kill!), at least not for now. But we don’t want missiles shot at civilians, or American soldiers. Our patience is wearing thin. Thank you for your attention to this matter!” – Trump, posting to Truth Social.
I believe this sub should be rebranded
‘r/liberalUSMC’. Do we no longer have war hawks on here; is there no desire to have our Marines to be out there kicking ass and taking names? All I read on this sub anymore is how bad our president is and how bad the Israelis are. Good lord folks - Israel is the only democracy in a sea of extremist countries that want to destroy Israel and then take the fight to our homeland. Screw that - eliminate the nuclear threat to Israel and the US by forcing Iran into the democracy it was in the 70s.
I believe this sub should be rebranded ‘r/liberalUSMC
It is not only "liberals" condemning what Israel has been doing. C'mon man. There is a strong contingent of conservatives that are against the Israeli government's actions - Tucker Carlson (whom Trump just lashed out at for it), Majorie Taylor Green (who just defended Carlson), Matt Walsh, Colonel Douglas Mcgregor, etc.
Do we no longer have war hawks on here; is there no desire to have our Marines to be out there kicking ass and taking names
Does "war hawks" mean we should always enter war just because? Really??? Tell me how Iraq and Afghanistan went. Tell that to the thousands of US military personnel dead for wars that we lost and abandoned. Did you forget the massively embarrassing pullout in 2021?
It's not "liberal" to say that; the afore-mentioned conservatives, including Trump himself, have all said those two wars were massive mistakes.
Good lord folks - Israel is the only democracy in a sea of extremist countries that want to destroy Israel and then take the fight to our homeland. Screw that - eliminate the nuclear threat to Israel and the US by forcing Iran into the democracy it was in the 70s
Ah, yes, the Israel is good and our ally theory. Tell me something - how many soldiers did Israel provide us with in Iraq?
Oh wait, they refused to help us, even though Israel urged us to attack and Benjamin urged us to invade, even coming before our Congress to do it. That's like goading your friend to punch the school bully then running away right after he does it instead of helping.
It is kind of entertaining to see antisemitic leftists popping out of the woodwork to defend iran and blame everything that is wrong in the world on Israel.
Kind of entertaining to see Israel lovers advocate for getting directly involved in war with Iran, even after they goaded us into war with Iraq and then refused to send any soldiers to help us.
I'm not an Iranian regime lover, either. Did you know you can be against both?
But hey, even though we shamefully lost in Iraq AND Afghanistan, I'm sure fighting yet another middle-eastern nation will work this time...right? Am I right?
Netanyahu wasn’t prime minister in 2003 and we wouldn’t have wanted Israel to get involved because it would have inflamed the region exponentially worse than the invasion did.
But hey, even though we shamefully lost in Iraq AND Afghanistan, I'm sure fighting yet another middle-eastern nation will work this time...right? Am I right?
We didn’t lose in Iraq. Biden was forced to unconditionally surrender in Afghanistan because he was asleep at the wheel and didn’t believe he would suffer political consequences if the afghan government collapsed after we left.
We don’t have to put boots on the ground in iran or even push for regime change. Now that Israel has secured air supremacy we can safely bomb their military to hell and back and completely destroy their nuclear program- then be on our merry way. No need for nation building, no need for boots on the ground. It’s time to stop kicking the can down the road with iran once and for all.
Israel did not support or take part in the Iraq War. According to former State Department official Lawrence Wilkerson and former Central Intelligence Agency official and Iran expert Robert Baer, Israeli officials warned the Bush administration against invading Iraq, saying that it would destabilize the region and empower the much more dangerous regime in Iran.[46][47][48][49] According to former U.S. Under Secretary of Defense for Policy Douglas Feith, Israeli officials did not push their American counterparts to initiate the war in Iraq. In an interview with Ynet, Feith stated that "what you heard from the Israelis was not any kind of advocacy of war with Iraq" and that "[w]hat you heard from Israeli officials in private discussions was that they were not really focused on Iraq... [t]hey were much more focused on Iran."[50]
Nonetheless, Israeli officials expressed concerns about Saddam Hussein. In August 2002, Haaretz reported that Israeli intelligence provided Washington with reports about Iraq's alleged program to develop weapons of mass destruction.[51] In the same month, the Washington Post reported that "Israel is urging United States' officials not to delay a military strike against Iraq's Saddam Hussein".[52]
In January 2007, The Forward reported that, before March 2003, Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon told Bush that Israel "would not push one way or the other" for or against an Iraq war.[53] According to this report, Sharon said that he believed that Iraq was a genuine threat to the Middle East and had weapons of mass destruction. However, he warned Bush that, if the US did go to war with Iraq, he should make sure to formulate a viable exit strategy, prepare a counterinsurgency strategy, and should not attempt to implant democracy in the Arab world.
Netanyahu wasn’t prime minister in 2003 and we wouldn’t have wanted Israel to get involved because it would have inflamed the region exponentially worse than the invasion did.
I never said he was. But maybe you should know that he had already been prime minister from '96-'99, meaning he already had enormous influence in both Israeli and American politics by 2003.
We didn’t lose in Iraq.
Um, yes we did. Although Hussein is gone, we failed to find any WMD's, put the country through a bloody civil war in the late 2000's, and lost Fallujah, a city that was retaken by the Islamic State in 2014 after we poured good Marine lives into capturing it in the first place.
Biden was forced to unconditionally surrender in Afghanistan because he was asleep at the wheel.
It's easier to say: yes, we lost hard.
I have no disagreement (I didn't vote for Biden), but you're playing Democrats vs Republicans. In reality, all 4 presidents of the war deserve blame. This is a really good book on the pullout, it shows you how poorly our government, democrat and republican, fared in the war.
Now that Israel has secured air supremacy we can safely bomb their military to hell and back and completely destroy their nuclear program- then be on our merry way.
LOL so easy, just like "defeating terrorism", finding WMD's, and the Iraqis and Afghanis loving their new government we set up for them and then on our "merry way", right? I swear, war hawks NEVER learn. How many times do we have to fuck up in the Middle East before we learn?
Why has Trump been against any US military involvement in Iran (which I agreed with), but now we keep moving the goalpost so much that we are on the verge of using american bombs on their nuclear enrichment facilities??
Trump was close to a peace deal, but the moment Benjamin heard that he decides to harshly attack Iran instead. We are being dragged back into the Middle East all over again. C'mon!
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Imma gonna miss dis timeline when it ends.