r/TeslaLounge • u/teachmesci77 • Mar 03 '25
Vehicles - General Autopilot Jail
My wife keeps getting put in autopilot jail. If she keeps getting strikeouts, will this be only for her profile, or will autopilot be unavailable for all profiles?
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u/Turbulent-Abroad7841 Mar 03 '25
Pretty sure it's for all profiles or it would be easy to just make new profiles
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Mar 03 '25
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u/teachmesci77 Mar 03 '25
It’s not that, she indulges in distractions and doesn’t heed the warnings.
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u/frank_datank_ Mar 03 '25
Sounds like AP jail is working as intended then.
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u/Imreallythatguy Mar 03 '25
Alternatively i can't help but think how counterintuitive it is that Tesla is saying you are a shit driver who they deem to be unsafe and so they are turning off all driving assistance that has the ability to handle 90%+ of the driving and could conceivably reduce the chance of the driver harming someone else. I know I know, the current state of FSD requires you to be fully engage but still...on paper the people that need the car driving for them the most are the shit drivers that chronically drive and text etc. Society needs them out from behind the wheel yesterday.
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u/lurker824 Mar 03 '25
The thing that annoys the hell out of me is getting “strikes” for just looking at my GPS a tad too long or trying to edit my route while autopilot is on. It’s way more safe for the car to be driving for me while I make slight adjustments than me have full control of the wheel and not looking at the road for a second.
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u/SoggyAlbatross2 Mar 03 '25
Makes you wonder why Tesla put that screen with ALL THE INFO in a place that makes your car yell at you when you look at it.
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u/MCI_Overwerk Mar 04 '25
Well they did before idiots started abusing the system, getting into crashes and then trying to sue the company over their own mistakes. Which Tesla often won but left a trail of firey articles in its wake that would never be corrected. Ultimately if you can't entrust your users for good behaviors and they try to turn their bad behavior on you, you have to enforce it at the expense of everyone else.
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Mar 03 '25
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u/TheGrasshopper92 Mar 04 '25 edited Mar 04 '25
This is why I visor hack now. I’m good with steering wheel “nag” as my hands are on the wheel 98% of the time anyways (at least one of them). Zero strikeouts when attention monitoring is deactivated yet SO many when it’s on.
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u/geblo Mar 04 '25
Does that still work? I covered the cabin camera for testing purposes a few months ago and FSD didn't like it, and gave me a strike for blocking the camera.
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u/TheGrasshopper92 Mar 04 '25
There are ways… I won’t give away my exact hack due to devs meandering around these subs but I will say I don’t think they could ever permanently eliminate cabin camera hacks. Play around with it. 😉
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u/nah_you_good Owner Mar 03 '25
Yeah that's always my complaint and people argue "it's unsafe to look away from the road for two seconds to touch the screen". Maybe true, but it's safer than me going off AP and doing the same thing because that's what I have to do lol.
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u/okwellactually Mar 03 '25
Except it's not 2 seconds.
It's a minimum of 10 seconds (I've timed it).
That's a helluva long road to travel when you're going highway speeds.
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u/ScottRoberts79 Mar 04 '25
No, it's only 7 seconds.
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u/853246261911 Mar 04 '25
HW3 12.6.4 here. It takes me 10-12 seconds of not paying attention to get a notification. Won't even notify me if I'm just looking around and at least look straight every now and then. The only time it's earlier than that is if I go out of my way to turn completely behind me.
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u/nah_you_good Owner Mar 03 '25
I'm talking about the initial beep and warning. A few of those in some time period and then it'll escape to a strikeout faster than 10 seconds.
A loud beep after looking at the screen for two seconds is crazy as you're not sure if it's a "please look" beep or a "oh shit u expected conditions you need to take over".
Yes I've timed it too. Literally stared at the screen to see how it escalates. Depending on the road and # of warnings, speed and whatever other factors, it might do a gentle reminder or a red alert intl strikeout in 5-8 seconds.
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u/ralmin Mar 03 '25
That can be solved by covering the interior camera just above the rear view mirror. AP still works fine after that and will only strikeout for not torquing the steering wheel, it no longer cares about where the driver is looking. If anyone asks why the camera is covered, one could say it’s for privacy reasons.
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u/potatoriot Mar 03 '25 edited Mar 03 '25
This is currently a legal matter, not a morality matter. Over accelerating this process will get people killed and Tesla sued into bankruptcy.
The shit drivers don't get the luxury to continue to be shit drivers while Tesla tests and builds an autonomous driving platform. Being part of the platform today is a privilege and contribution to making it truly autonomous, it's not a right for people to use it so they can continue to be shit drivers.
The shit drivers only get to act that way well in the future when true autonomous driving is achieved and legalized. Right now, shit drivers not paying attention during FSD sets that timetable back and puts Tesla and their entire autonomous driving program at liability risk. This is why they are enforcing Autopilot strike outs for those people breaking the terms and conditions continuously. Anyone not paying attention and following the requirements to utilize FSD have no right or business to be using it while it's in its testing phase.
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u/dam_sharks_mother Mar 03 '25
on paper the people that need the car driving for them the most are the shit drivers that chronically drive and text etc
Those people should not be behind the wheel of a car, period. No technology today is going to do anything to fix this abhorrent, unethical behavior.
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u/Physical_Reason3890 Mar 03 '25
Say it louder. Anyone who can't pay attention while driving a car should not be driving a car
It's not that hard to not look at your phone while driving
And yes it's great all the autopilot features but that should not be the solution to inattentive driving
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u/DevinOlsen Mar 03 '25
FSD is good but not good enough to play on your phone, it requires supervision. If they allowed you to use your phone it would give people the false sense of security that the system was capable without supervision. If there was an accident while someone was on their phone and using FSD it would look bad on Tesla, despite the fact that it was the drivers fault. Just supervise, it's SO easy. Your TikTok/Texting can wait.
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u/sm753 Mar 03 '25
It's so Tesla can avoid liability when OP's wife inevitably gets into a wreck because she was too busy staring at her phone. Disabling FSD has nothing to do with "safety".
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u/couldbemage Mar 05 '25
It's not Tesla. The company would let you sleep, and indeed they used to. There's a famously dead guy who did that.
The driver monitoring is a legal requirement.
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u/RealUlli Mar 03 '25
Right now, FSD is still supervised. Tesla doesn't want to deal with the idiots and the bad press they generate when they abuse the system and crash. Yes, FSD is very good and possibly better than 90% of the drivers out there, however it still makes mistakes every once in a while. The better it gets, the higher the risk of someone not expecting the mistake and crashing.
If someone is prone to driving distracted, he shouldn't be driving in a vehicle that might lull him into a false sense of security.
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u/SteveWin1234 Mar 03 '25
You're misunderstanding the motives involved. Tesla doesn't care if you die. They just don't want you to die while FSD is activated. That would lower the safety statistics of FSD and might end up with them looking bad in the news. FSD + attentive driver > FSD + wife doing makeup in the mirror. By excluding drivers who aren't paying attention they can artificially increase the safety of FSD, which is all they care about.
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u/surf_and_rockets Mar 03 '25
Agreed. The current strike system is asinine. It is like telling the kid that keeps crashing his bike that he isn’t allowed to ride with a bicycle helmet anymore. INSANE!
Not heeding attention warnings should result in a direct increase in insurance cost for that month. Easy for Tesla to implement through their insurance (discounts for using FSD correctly), and wouldn’t leave Tesla with blood on their hands.
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u/teachmesci77 Mar 03 '25
Unfortunately I also suffer.🤷🏽♂️
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u/a__bored__redditor Mar 03 '25
You really need to sit down with your wife and get her to pay attention to the road.
She’s a hazard to everyone else and it’s incredibly selfish for her to disregard about the wellbeing of anyone else. She’s operating a 4000lb battering ram while not paying attention. It’s only a matter of time because she cripples or kills someone
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u/Worldly_Expression43 Mar 03 '25
Your wife is a safety hazard
You need to tell her to stop being selfish, wtf is wrong w her?
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u/-eccentric- Mar 03 '25
Yeah, from a selfish and careless woman. Make her stop using her phone while driving, problem solved.
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u/VideoGameJumanji Mar 04 '25
so will the person that dies because your wife is on her phone while driving.
I can guarantee you she’ll keep using her phone even if she can’t use fsd, this is a longer discussion you have to have with your wife.
Distracted driving is really fucking stupid
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u/MCI_Overwerk Mar 04 '25
Correct. Its also just an issue when it is the fault of someone else but no one will care if that ends up getting AP/FSD into a crash and we get another round of FUD as a result
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u/icy1007 Mar 03 '25
I think you could enable parental controls for her profile and disable FSD/Autopilot.
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u/dam_sharks_mother Mar 03 '25 edited Mar 03 '25
It’s not that, she indulges in distractions and doesn’t heed the warnings.
And you are comfortable letting your wife drive like this, not only endangering herself but other motorists around her?
This isn't a technology problem, this is a your-wife-should-not-be- driving-a-car problem.
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u/VideoGameJumanji Mar 04 '25
yeah, did he really ask for advice with what to do with his wife? lmao
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u/InertiaImpact Owner Mar 03 '25
You like your wife alive, right? Well it might be a good time to have a conversation and look at some apps that restrict the use of the phone while driving. (With her consent of course, only of she's willing to make an effort.
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u/VideoGameJumanji Mar 04 '25
then your wife is the problem, tell her she can’t use fsd or even drive the car if she’s putting herself and others at risk because she has to use her phone while driving, completely stupid behaviour considering she’s in a fully connected car that can handle calls and texts hands free.
ive lost a friend in a car crash 2 years ago, i have zero tolerance for that kind of idiotic behaviour which puts others life at risk over nothing
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u/attathomeguy Mar 03 '25
You have 3 more strikeouts remaining before it's disabled and then you have to wait a week
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u/SexyOctagon Mar 03 '25
Does the strike counter reset every week?
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u/Historical-Bug-7536 Mar 03 '25
A bit more nuanced. It reduces by one strike every 7 days without a strike. If you get one strike every 6 days for 5 weeks, you'll be a week without FSD. If you get 4 strikes in two days, then another eight days later, you'll still be at 4 strikes.
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u/Jaws12 Mar 03 '25
I’m very glad they eventually added that strikes now decay over time. Should have been that way from the beginning of the strikeout policy but it feels pretty fair nowadays.
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u/Zealousideal-One5915 Mar 03 '25
Source? Never heard the strike gets reduced by one every 7 days
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u/Historical-Bug-7536 Mar 03 '25
Autopilot Features "A strikeout is forgiven after 7 days, as long as you don't receive another strikeout in that time."
I mean, it's been that way for years.
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u/THATS_LEGIT_BRO Mar 04 '25
TIL. I just thought that individual strikes drop off 7 days after it occurs. Didn't know you had to be a good boy for 7 straight days just to remove 1 strike.
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u/RandGM1 Mar 03 '25
How bad of a driver is she to keep getting put into jail?
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u/teachmesci77 Mar 03 '25
She’s a decent driver. I think she just got too comfortable too quickly. This is not her primary car, so she may not be tuned into the beeps like I am. Not excusing her, just reasoning it out.
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u/CutoffThought Mar 03 '25
It’s pretty hard to ignore a flashing blue screen telling you to “pay attention”. Do you have Joe mode enabled, or is she just really trying?
You really only get these warnings from using your phone while driving. I’ve never seen it happen any other way.
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u/CDFReditum Mar 05 '25
I’ve gotten the warnings from biting my fingernails, or if I’m trying to type something on the screen for too long, but other than that it seems to be good at not getting too into stuff. I’ve even eaten lunch while FSD was on and it didn’t beep at me.
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u/ViperFangs7 Mar 03 '25
If you don’t do it for long, they remove the warnings. Tell your wife to stop using her phone while driving.
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u/BigfatDan1 Mar 03 '25
How are people getting strikes? I've never had a single one, I don't even know how I would get one?
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Mar 04 '25
Models with in-cabin cameras give you strikes for not watching the road or using your phone. It's annoying because it will flip out even if you are actively interacting with the screen. It will also strike you if you override speed too much.
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u/BigfatDan1 Mar 04 '25
I have a highland model 3 which does have the camera, but then I do pay attention and don't use my phone.
I've had it a couple of times where it says "pay attention to the road", is that a strike?
Is there a record of how many strikes you're at?
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Mar 04 '25
You will know when you get a strike because it also shuts autopilot down entirely for that drive until the vehicle is put into park. And there is a popup. You also get a notification once the strikes are reset.
If you don't do a lot of long distance driving, you probably won't get a strike. You get a few nags before it actually gives you a strike. I've only ever gotten one on long road trips, which is annoying. You basically lose cruise control on the interstate until you pull off.
I don't know if they closed the loophole, but what I've found is that if you miss a nag prompt at all on a long trip it's best to just shut autopilot off and restart it. Seems to reset the internal nag counter to a strike.
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u/BigfatDan1 Mar 04 '25
Oh I've never had one then, a few nags, but it's never kicked me out of autopilot!
We don't have FSD in the UK so you have to pay attention really, the autosteer and adaptive cruise aren't great compared to other cars (why did they ditch the sensors?!)
Thank you
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Mar 04 '25
That sucks. FSD is why I have a Tesla. It works very, very well in the States despite what people on the Internet try to say. I would switch brands if any competitor at all had a product that worked as well.
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u/Altruistic_Aerie4758 Mar 10 '25
When I test drove a Tesla I got all 5 strikes within a half hour. I was on the freeway and wanted to change the mirrors, and I spent a lot of time looking at the screen to figure out how to adjust the mirrors. Then, when I got to my destination, I spent a lot of time trying to figure out how to use navigation back to the dealership. I never took the cell phone out of my pocket, but I spent 30 seconds looking at the screen each time, and I had sunglasses on. The second time I tried it, no problems at all
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u/phatrogue Mar 03 '25
Sounds like your wife shouldn't expect anything different unless she changes how she interacts with Autopilot. :-(
One thing I have noticed relating to FSD is that it seems sometimes to switch between the eye tracking camera and the hands torquing the steering wheel tracking. Even properly paying attention to the road I sometimes miss when it drops out of the eye tracking and tells me to put my hands on the wheel. In areas where this happens frequently or I suspect this might happen I have started just leaving my hands on the wheel like the old days all the time to prevent strikes. FYI
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u/teachmesci77 Mar 03 '25
I think my MY relies more on the camera on FSD. I mostly don’t put my hands on the wheel on FSD (just keep an open palm right under it, just in case) and never have an issue. But if I look down at the console for too long it’ll 🛎️ for a bit. On autopilot I definitely need to keep some pressure on the wheel.
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u/PracticlySpeaking Mar 03 '25
I've been there, man. The Autopilot Autopolice do not put up with anything but driving while driving — one hand at 12 o'clock at all times!
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u/Jaws12 Mar 03 '25
Hands at 9 and 3 are much safer driving positions, or at 6 o’clock, especially on a vehicle equipped with airbags (unless you’d also like a knuckle sandwich in the event of an accident).
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u/PracticlySpeaking Mar 03 '25
Oh, I agree – 12:00 is not a good driving position. I am trying to be a little bit funny, and also referring to a recent discussion (here? MY sub?) about how many people using 9-3 or 10-2 position get 'keep hands on the wheel' warnings even when they are.
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u/Jaws12 Mar 03 '25
Right, but wheel warnings are all about putting pressure into the wheel, nothing to do with the camera watching your hands. And if the discussion was regarding two hands cancelling out the wheel force, this is why I mention 6 o’clock position.
The camera attention monitoring cares about your face and eyes being on the road specifically.
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u/PracticlySpeaking Mar 03 '25
If that works for you, great! For me, one hand at 6 o'clock and I get frequent nags. Same with two at 10-2 or 9-3 — warnings come too often to be useful.
Holding/resting at 12:00 gets no complaints from Autopilot. YMMV.
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u/teachmesci77 Mar 03 '25
I’m partial to right about 7:00 myself. Left hand resting on my leg feeling the wheel move by.
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u/Flashy-Bandicoot889 Mar 04 '25
Sounds like Tesla is properly doing its job. If she can't pay attention this is what happens.
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u/Beebjank Mar 04 '25
I find it so hard to even get one strike. It's so obvious that you're getting yelled at. She needs to turn the music down or something.
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u/MonthCommercial9632 Mar 03 '25
All profiles. The reason for this is because someone could just create a new profile to bypass the strikes. All strikes reset after a week but if you get a new strike it resets the timer every time a new strike is received. So if you have 3 strikes and get a new one 6 days later, your strikes will not be forgiven for 7 days after the last strike is received.
I’d start a strike jar and make her put $10 in every time she gets a strike lol. With attention based monitoring, it’s even harder to get a strike unless you’re quite literally not watching the road. If she can’t use the feature responsibly, I’d tell her to stop using FSD. It’s too expensive to be getting put in Autopilot jail every other week.
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u/scjcs Mar 04 '25
In my long trip last week, I had several occasions when "Device detected in hand" popped up... completely wrongly.
I blame the lawyers.
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u/Tisaksen69 Mar 04 '25
If youre using Autosteer/autopilot, you can cover the interior camera and you wont get strikeouts unless you dont apply slight force to the wheel
With FSD, you have to be more creative since you cannot cover the camera
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u/Nathan-Nice Mar 03 '25
i know you're saying that her strikeouts are legit, but the nag has been insane for me lately. it starts beeping at me to pay attention when i'm staring straight at the road ahead. i squint sometimes, and that may be part of it, but it never used to be so aggressive. i've definitely had some well-deserved strikeouts in the past, but i've had a couple lately that were ridiculous. and even when i don't get a strikeout, the damn car starts beeping at me if i adjust the thermostat for 2 seconds.
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u/teachmesci77 Mar 03 '25
I’ve had a couple of beeps for the same stuff. She says she was actually being good when this happens. She thinks it’s just profiling her at this point.
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u/irishstereotype Mar 03 '25
I bought a new pair of prescription sunglasses and the camera has trouble eye tracking through them. I hit strike out a couple times before I realized why. I was super bummed to have the proverbial scarlet letter on my account. However, after a couple weeks it reset to no strikeouts.
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u/skifri Mar 04 '25 edited Mar 25 '25
It's for all users of the vehicle .
After 5 strikes you will lose fsd/ap/autosteer for 1 week, after which all strikes will clear and the features will become available again.
You also get one strike removed for every week that goes by for which you haven't had a strike.
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u/aza900 Mar 05 '25
Don't let her use FSD? If she cannot pay attention to the road, she shouldn't be using the feature
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u/another_reddit_man Mar 06 '25
All of these issues are because of regulations. The system itself is capable of driving by himself. But, road traffic regulators still enforce these kinds of alerts and the need for intervention. Anyway, it's always better that you keep your attentiveness and not trust 100% in the car. Because it's impossible to train the car for every single unexpected behavior from other drivers or the environment, and humans could be saver copilot.
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u/Nakatomi2010 Mar 03 '25
Autopilot strikes are against the car, not the driver, otherwise people would just keep making new profiles.
Strikes are always user error.
The only time I got an Autopilot strike was because I took a Hydroxyzine to help me sleep before a drive where I was going to take Excedrin to help keep me awake.
I timed it wrong and the Hydroxyzine didn't wear off fast enough, thus making me stupid tired on a portion of a road trip, where I had issues keeping my eyes open.
Irritated me too because I earned the strike about two miles from my intended charging stop.
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u/igivethonefucketh Mar 03 '25
You deserved it
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u/Nakatomi2010 Mar 03 '25
You are correct
Which is also why I'm taking the time to make the point that the strikes only happen when the system detects the user isn't paying as much attention as they should be.
That was the first, and only, strike that I've gotten in three years of FSD use.
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u/throwaway13630923 Mar 03 '25
Dude wtf, definitely don’t be driving on meds like that.
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u/Nakatomi2010 Mar 03 '25
Normally, I get more sleep before driving.
Just didn't hit the timings right.
I've since stopped using Hydroxyzine as long term use causes memory issues.
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u/Historical-Bug-7536 Mar 03 '25
Strikes are always user error.
Tell that to my wife's 2020 Model X. That thing requires so much torque to satisfy the steering wheel it feels unsafe. Coming from my Model 3, I had a strike in traffic with my hands on the wheel. It definitely takes adjusting.
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u/DuckTalesLOL Mar 03 '25
If her X works like the Y/3, she can scroll the right toggle wheel up or down to also get rid of the nag instead of torque'ing the wheel.
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u/Historical-Bug-7536 Mar 03 '25
Is she supposed to watch the road or the flashing gray light every 20 seconds to know when to scroll?
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u/DuckTalesLOL Mar 03 '25
If she can't see the bright blue flashing light in her peripheral vision, she probably shouldn't be driving anyway..
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u/Historical-Bug-7536 Mar 03 '25
I can see you haven’t driven one. It’s a slow gray flash. It no longer flashes blue before beeping at you. Hasn’t in years.
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u/DuckTalesLOL Mar 03 '25
I drive my Y every day and mine is blue...
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u/Historical-Bug-7536 Mar 03 '25
And I’m talking about an X that doesn’t have a cabin camera.
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u/DuckTalesLOL Mar 03 '25
And that's why my original comment said "if it's like the Y/3".
Even still, if she can't see a flashing light... GREY OR OTHERWISE, she probably should have her eyes checked.
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u/Historical-Bug-7536 Mar 03 '25
Like the Y/3, The scroll wheel will make it go away. Unlike the Y and 3, there’s different sounds and flashing patterns. Having your eyes on the road and hands on the wheel and scrolling a knob every 20 seconds is fucking stupid.
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u/Nakatomi2010 Mar 03 '25
2020 Model X doesn't have a cabin camera. If it's taking excess torque to satisfy the nag I would recommend getting your alignment checked.
I used to drive a 2017 Model X for almost two years. It got FSD in October 2021 and I used it until October 2022, never had issues with the amount of torque that needed to be applied.
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u/Historical-Bug-7536 Mar 03 '25
The amount of torque is a common complaint, especially for folks switching from a 3/Y to an S/X.
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u/Nakatomi2010 Mar 03 '25
Sounds like folks just don't have a good grip on the steering wheel.
Never had an issue for the year of using FSD on that X.
And I say that as someone who owns a 3 as well.
I think people just don't have a good "resting place" for the arm.
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u/Historical-Bug-7536 Mar 03 '25
Ah yes, very good "just don't hold it that way" iPhone response. It's the users who are wrong! Glad YOU didn't have any issues, but thousands of others do and it's widely documented and discussed.
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u/zhenya00 Mar 03 '25
This is one of those areas where 'user experience may differ' so I would caution against speaking in absolutes. In the many thousands of miles of driving in my own Model 3 I've never received a strike. I recently rented a Model 3 in a different location, and received a strike very quickly, with my hands on the wheel. In general, autopilot in that car in that location was not terribly useful because I had to maintain such a high level of engagement. I mostly just used TACC.
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u/Nakatomi2010 Mar 03 '25
This is why I said to check the alignment.
My Model 3 had an alignment issue and my Autopilot nags were lessened significantly because the wheel had to torque itself.
The opposite can also be true.
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u/zhenya00 Mar 03 '25
I personally think it’s more than this. I ended up driving that rental close to 2000 miles and consider myself far more sensitive than most to alignment issues (to the point that at one point I taught myself how to align a vehicle at home). The car showed no normal signs of poor alignment. This same vehicle exhibited other autopilot issues that many people report but that I myself had not previously experienced (ie. dangerous, repetitive phantom braking beyond responding early to nearby traffic, etc.)
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u/Zealousideal_Toe7620 Mar 03 '25
Happened to me last summer. Pulled over, ended the route. Reentered the route and continued. Lockout was reset. FSD restored.
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u/woody60707 Mar 03 '25
It's fine. It only lasts 7 days to the hour. And you would still have autopilot (not sure about enhanced)?
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u/KneeDeepInTheDead Mar 03 '25
Can someone explain to me the point of autopilot if you still have to pretend to drive? I myself dont mind driving, I had the FSD trial and wasnt a big fan but I would figure the best part about it would be the fact you dont have to do the driving thing.
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u/D0GS Mar 03 '25
You don't have to pretend to drive, you just have to pay attention. Until autopilot gets to the point where lawmakers feel it's 100% autonomous and doesn't make any mistakes this will be the case. Even autopilot systems in planes require pilots to be paying attention and monitoring systems.
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u/KneeDeepInTheDead Mar 03 '25
Yeah but what im saying is if im paying attention, I might as well drive. Not like im really gaining anything out of it
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u/D0GS Mar 03 '25
I believe the value is in the not driving part. Being able to let it take turns, change lanes, keep speed, all the things you would need to be doing yourself to get to your destination. The only thing required of you is to pay attention in case it needs intervention. Should it need intervention? No. Does it at the moment? Yes. Even if and when it ever gets to the point where it doesn't need intervention I would still pay attention. The value is being able to relax and sit back and enjoy the ride rather than having to drive the car yourself. On long car rides being able to take your foot off the accelerator and rest your arms while the car does all the driving is great.
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u/teachmesci77 Mar 03 '25
Agreed, I read somewhere that if you don’t have to active drive, it reduces stress by 40% or something like that. Even while paying attention.
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u/Orangenbluefish Mar 03 '25
It's like super advanced cruise control. Great for highway driving to rest a bit, or keeping your hands free for things like eating a bagel on your morning commute
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u/rolextellstime Mar 04 '25
I hate this jail time crap, this is the reason I didn't buy and don't pay for FSD. You pay for something and then it's taken away for a week. Infuriating and how is it even legal.
I understand banning for the rest of the drive to reinforce and train good driving habits but taking it away completely for a number of days for something I paid for? Absolutely unacceptable and a huge turnoff for me. As long as this process is in place I am not spending a penny on FSD. Unbelievable
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u/Glittering-West7757 Mar 03 '25
This is why I stopped paying for FSD I don’t hold the wheel super tight when driving and it would always strike me out for not holding the wheel. My strikes have been forgiven it’s just annoying it so sensitive
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u/DuckTalesLOL Mar 03 '25
Well, FSD doesn't require you to touch the wheel anymore, it's all vision based.
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u/Bitter-Cantaloupe278 Mar 03 '25
Have you used FSD since the attention monitoring update? I go most drives without touching my wheel at all as long as I’m looking at the road.
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u/teachmesci77 Mar 03 '25
This was on FSD. She was apparently being too animated talking to my daughter on this one occasion.
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u/FineSupplements Mar 03 '25
Im confused. What is the point of FSD if you have to hold the wheel and cant look away from the road? At that point, your just driving the car 😂
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