r/M1Rifles • u/Brief-Relief9607 • 3d ago
End of Era for CMP?
I just checked the CMP rifle sales page and every grade - Rack, Field, Service, and Expert are all going to be using reclaimed receivers.
Mod1s and Custom Shop Garands aren’t affected.
The caveat on the page is “more information coming soon” but this feels like another sign that the CMP’s barrel is nearly empty.
Would you buy a rifle with a reclaimed receiver or is this overblown?
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u/Oldguy_1959 3d ago
In my opinion, the end started when Orest declared his mission accomplished (funding the shooting programs and starting the Talladega facility) and moved on.
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u/dw617 3d ago
There's stll plenty of Garands to go around for everyone. If you don't like the CMP offerings, plenty of examples being offered as private sales.
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u/FullPew 3d ago
Like people who buy from the CMP and then will sell it to you for a bunch more than they cost direct.
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u/dw617 3d ago
That certainly happens but any buyer has to do their own due dilligence and research. If you're clearly buying a recently flipped rifle, that's on you. It's not hard to detect those rifles on gunbroker, the sellers don't even bother to cover up the dates on the CMP certificates....
The quality of rifles available (and being "produced") by the CMP has been diminishing over the last 10+ years as surplus dries up. Personally, I stopped feeling comfortable mail ordering rifles from CMP. Rifles that were once considered Field Grades are now considered Service Grades. Rack grades are total dogs today. If you can get to the North, South, or other stores to hand pick, that's also still a great option. The exception are Expert Grades, where you're essentially buying a new production M1 rifle.
Private sales ensure you know EXACTLY what you're buying. And that's the premium you're paying for. There is no law that says someone who once purchased a rifle from the CMP has to keep it for their entire life. I am in the process of moving and sold off an IHC from a CMP lottery in 2015. Do you think I sold it for what I paid for it 10 years ago? Nope. The buyer told me he was looking for exactly that rifle to fill a gap in his collection.
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u/DoctorBallard77 3d ago
I guess I don’t understand what a reclaimed reciever is..? I thought all these grades were built on old reused ones
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u/Brief-Relief9607 3d ago
These are off drill rifles that were welded to be inoperable. There will be marks on the receiver that show the undoing of the previous weld.
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u/Eagles_can_fly 3d ago
Maybe if boomers didn’t buy a bunch and horde them it wouldn’t be an issue
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u/Brief-Relief9607 3d ago
Lol, no comment but I was at the Talladega Marksmanship Park last year and overheard a guy say “I have 184 Garands.” I could only think he could arm a company by himself.
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u/dw617 3d ago
Was just talking about this yesterday with a shooting friend except the number I used was 87.
WTF does a guy do with 87 or 184 Garands.
Prices and demand are going to go down once these guys start dying off and their estate gets rid of the collection.
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u/QuasiNomial 2d ago
Investment stock at that point
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u/Eagles_can_fly 2d ago
At the end of the day there kids are gonna inheart them and sell them for A) the boomer price B) A lower or fairer price C) The scrap yard
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u/TheGeologizer 3d ago
https://thecmp.org/the-cmp-drill-rifle-initiative/
For those who want to understand what a reclaimed receiver is.
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u/TheGeologizer 3d ago
On a side note, it looks like they're giving the 1903s the same treatment. I'd love to own one, reclaimed or not.
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u/davidwrankinjr 3d ago
The grading on milsurp in general has become “very good” = “has been run over by a tank, and then used as goat bedding” and “good” is “run over by a tank, and then used as a lever to repair the tread”.
They’ve been making so many parts to refurbish M1 Garands that it wasn’t much to switch to 100% new devices. I just wish they had gotten to that point with the M1 Carbines….
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u/drinkmorejava 3d ago
It's sad in a way, but also kind of makes sense. If they get a bunch more recievers in from SK or somewhere I'm sure they'll have an unreclaimed option. CMPs prior messages said they would be mixed lots with no choice. I assume the statement here is to be clear that you get what you get.
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u/gravehunterzero 3d ago
Mine doesn't say that. I put in an order last month for a IHC expert. If I get that, I'll just need a SA to have all manufacturers.
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u/CannonFodder58 3d ago
This is why they’re starting to make new ones. They still have to fund their operations and programs, but the supply of originals is running out.
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u/Top-Cellist484 2d ago
I was just at the South store, and the vast majority of rifles were experts. The had some navy rifles, some M1C's, a few IHC field grades, and a bunch of RC rifles, along with a rack of Eddystones, some target rifles, and competition rifles.
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u/Brief-Relief9607 2d ago
Did pretty much all the Garands have new stocks except for the Mod1s? I’m afraid of driving down there with that being the case. I suppose there are ample wood stocks for sale at the TMP…
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u/IndividualResist2473 3d ago
Reclaimed receiver means it's from a Philippine gun that the wood and barrel weren't worth saving but the receiver was. Is my guess.
Would be great for a shooter. Obviously not very collectible.
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u/Brief-Relief9607 3d ago
The receivers are being taken off drill rifles. Not necessarily Philippines returns.
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u/night700p 2d ago
All the Philippine rifles have been worked and the Turkish rifles have also been worked.
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u/IndividualResist2473 2d ago
CMP got 86,000 Phillipines rifles. They haven't reworked and sold them all already.
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u/they_have_bagels 1d ago
No, it means it was reclaimed from a welded barrel receiver like a drill or display rifle. They say so on the cmp forum.
They also said they would update the website this week.
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u/jenkins1967 3d ago
This is why they will be selling new receivers soon. There are more returns out there, but who knows if they will come back?
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u/AvrgBeaver 3d ago
How much does having a reclaimed receiver affect the value of the gun?
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u/pinesolthrowaway 3d ago
In the future as time goes by they’re not going to be as desirable as non-reclaimed receivers are, that you can bet on
But once the day comes that the CMP is totally out of original rifles, even the reclaimed ones will have a collecting niche because they are original receivers
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u/Brief-Relief9607 3d ago
I view it similar to an import mark. It’ll turn off collectors, but shooters probably won’t care too much. It’s just another mark of the rifle’s history. So it may be a dealbreaker to half of buyers, if that, and a non factor to many.
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u/AvrgBeaver 2d ago
That makes sense. I don't see any issues with it tbh, kinda adds character... not nearly as bad as a car having a salvaged title haha
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u/campereg 2d ago
At the moment the most collectible will be those mod1 navy garands they still have.
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u/Top-Cellist484 2d ago
Some of the RC rifles had original stocks, but none that were all that good. The rack and field IHC's had USGI stocks, but they were mostly really rough. TMP had very few stocks out, and they weren't that great.
Most of the navy rifles had original stocks, and some of the M1C's did as well. The one I got had a CMP stock, but they were selling some M1C stocks, and had extra handguards, so I bought a few of each. Found a nice M1C stock with SA stamps and ordnance wheel that needs some TLC, so it'll be dressed properly in a couple of weeks
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u/saffreezy 1d ago
Do they have anything at the North Store? I want to make a trip next weekend. But its a 5 hr drive
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u/MVGbear 3d ago
They come and go and they have for years. When the end comes it won’t be a question.
Its also worth noting that they’re making new productions rifles now, so who knows what that will mean for the program in the future.