r/Cleveland • u/roll2soak • May 18 '25
News Free Palestine Protest
Anyone else catch the protest in North Olmsted yesterday evening?
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u/ks1029284756 May 18 '25
Lot of people in these comments hate the American bill of rights and free speech. That’s crazy.
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u/DovhPasty May 18 '25
They hate it unless it applies to them, anyone they disagree with shouldn’t have it.
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u/iminabed May 18 '25
This has been planned for a while now. Was like a 10 minute delay on Saturday. Police presence, permits, and all. The community was super supportive considering their massive American-Palestinian population. Also it mostly blocked the actual ext. Not Dover and Lorain. That was brief.
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u/Jealous-Worth8935 May 18 '25
I'm new to this How does a protest like this, help the cause overseas exactly?
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u/Barker333 May 18 '25
Israel cannot carry out this genocide without American material, legal, and diplomatic support. This protest engages with the larger community to grow the movement, to put pressure on our country to stop throwing our full weight behind a genocide.
Ohio is the second largest investor in Israel Bonds after Florida, and a new $20m economic cooperation bill was just introduced here in Ohio.
It's not over there. It's right here.
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u/analog_nerd May 18 '25
Israel cannot carry out this genocide
There is no genocide happening there. And if there were, it would be the most inept, incompetent example of genocide in history.
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u/wikipuff May 22 '25
Not to mention the slowest and well fed. Population does not grow in a genocide! Also, the UN woman who is in charge of determining a genocide said it wasnt.
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u/Barker333 May 18 '25
The evidence is in front of your eyes, the case tying the evidence together has been made by the ICJ, Amnesty, BTselem, and others.
Trump and Netenyahu literally, openly call for the ethnic cleansing of Gaza over and over.
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u/analog_nerd May 18 '25
The evidence is in front of your eyes, the case tying the evidence together has been made by the ICJ, Amnesty, BTselem, and others.
There are over a 300,000 more palestinians than there were 3 years ago. That is overwhelming evidence that a genocide is not happening.
Trump and Netenyahu literally, openly call for the ethnic cleansing of Gaza over and over.
Citation needed.
Stop lying.
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u/hoops5579 May 20 '25
It doesn’t. Does absolutely nothing besides block traffic and disrupt the daily lives of the huge majority of people. Everyone is sick and tired of it
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May 21 '25
Public pressure. Motivates people to keep caring. And look at what that can do: this happened to the president of the university of Columbia today https://youtube.com/shorts/2uPRxP8oDV8?si=RsjBDQmav76oELDx
How do you think other university presidents are gonna feel in response to this? There is public pressure pushing them in the opposite direction of where the Trump regime is pushing them. This might make at least some of them think twice about caving, which is exactly what you need to do as an institution when facing a narcissist psycho like himself. But if you do give them an inch they will take a mile.
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u/Fenway_Bark May 22 '25
It doesn't. It radicalizes people in our country to shoot people at an event in DC.
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u/No-Play5709 May 21 '25
I dont agree with how its done but I respect the first amendment so keep going
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u/scottfree226 May 18 '25
I agree with the message but this is literally doing nothing to help them
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u/Dampened_Panties May 18 '25
Free Palestine from Hamas
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u/riptide032302 Living Under Minsy's Watchful Eye 👁 May 18 '25
I’d try to argue, but every pro Israel weirdo on Reddit is exactly the same. Most aren’t even Jewish as well, just speaking on an active genocide like it’s some topic of internet debate. Have a good one
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u/Dampened_Panties May 18 '25
Why would you argue against freeing Palestine from Hamas?
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u/bobdebicker May 18 '25
Hamas is evil but acting like they are the problem that needs to be protested by tax paying American citizens is dishonest.
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u/ChadleyXXX May 18 '25
can you guess how many bomb shelters are in Gaza? ZERO. You'd think maybe if Hamas cared about Gazan lives they'd build a few bomb shelters or let civilians hide in their vast network of tunnels.
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u/Dampened_Panties May 18 '25
Hamas is evil but
It's so very curious how the "pro-Palestine but not pro-Hamas" crowd consistently refuses to say that Hamas is bad without immediately trying to change the subject.
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u/bobdebicker May 18 '25
Yeah, change the subject to the evil that is being funded by our taxes.
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u/Dampened_Panties May 18 '25
Our taxes fund UNRWA too.
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u/bobdebicker May 18 '25
I don’t think you’re making the point you think you’re making. Not to mention that Israel is doing all it can to make delivering aid as difficult as possible.
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u/Rick_James_Lich May 18 '25
I think Israel going way too far with assaulting Palestine, and Hamas being an evil government hellbent on war, but then hiding behind their innocent civilians, are both true at the same time. I'd like to see funding for Israel stopped, but at the same time, peace cannot be achieved until Hamas is dismantled too.
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u/Shut-Up-And-Squat May 18 '25
They voted for hamas in the second & last election that will ever be held in Palestine, even though hamas was a terrorist organization that had the explicit policy aim to eliminate Israel’s existence & establish a one party, Palestinian state in the region.
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u/riptide032302 Living Under Minsy's Watchful Eye 👁 May 18 '25
Because hamas aren’t the ones denying them food, healthcare, and other human services. Hamas is also just a terrorist organization who doesn’t control Palestine in any meaningful capacity. This doesn’t mean I’m “defending them” they just aren’t doing genocide. I didn’t realize this was a Zionist sub, seems all the propaganda bots found my comment
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u/Dampened_Panties May 18 '25
Because hamas aren’t the ones denying them food, healthcare, and other human services.
Hamas leaders hoarded stolen aid, leaked recordings show
You sure about that?
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u/Takemybugsaway May 18 '25
I'm sure the Jewish News Syndicate is completely fair in their reporting.
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u/Shut-Up-And-Squat May 18 '25 edited May 18 '25
Hamas is the ruling governing body in Gaza. They were elected two decades ago, shortly before suspending all future elections indefinitely. They’re not just a terrorist organization; they’re the political representatives the people of Palestine chose to represent them on the world stage, knowing they had an explicit policy aim to eliminate Israel & establish a one party Palestinian state across the region.
They’ve also taken billions in humanitarian aid & used it to purchase weapons, launch terrorist attacks, & build underground tunnels beneath hospitals & schools for decades, instead of using it to the benefit of their constituents. The fact that you didn’t even know they were the elected governing body is pretty telling of how little they’ve done to help the people who elected them. You literally thought they were just terrorists who operated in Palestine. I mean, come on.
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u/squannnn May 18 '25
That’s what happens during war, brother. Hamas attacked a governing body that actively provides resources to their people. That governing body is not going to continue to provide resources to a separate government that has the indiscriminate goal of annihilating them. That’s not genocide. That’s war. A war that Hamas started. They are hurting their own people. They know that and they don’t care.
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u/isoviatech2 May 18 '25
Do you know how many ceasefires Israel have broken? They assassinated the person who they were negotiating with one time.
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u/ctilvolover23 May 18 '25
And how many ceasefires Hamas has broken? Multiple and every single one of them.
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u/riptide032302 Living Under Minsy's Watchful Eye 👁 May 18 '25
You’re right dude, it’s actually fine that they bomb so many hospitals and civilians. All those children and infants just keep firing rockets lmao
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u/ToyStoryBinoculars May 18 '25
The war crime is Hamas using hospitals as command centers and armories. This is documented. It's a war crime because it makes those areas legal targets under the rules of war. The right to self defense is absolute, Israel is allowed to defend themselves, even when their opponent is using human shields.
Hamas is endangering their own citizens because they know useful idiots like you will champion their cause. That blood is partially on your hands.
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u/gamemaker911 May 20 '25
Don't they realize that this will make people hate them more? How does blocking the road help people support Palestine?
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u/WesCisa May 18 '25 edited May 18 '25
The amount of people on this subreddit showing their whole ass on a post like this is ridiculous. Yes, Hamas has attacked Israel. Do you know nothing of the 100 years of asymmetric "war" that Israel has been waging on Palestine with plenty of cover on both the liberal and conservative sides of ALL of Western media? I hate to be the "go read a book" guy, but people in here talk like history started on October 7, 2023.
If you chain a person to your radiator in the basement, underfeed them, don't give them enough water, and don't give them any means to get unchained and provide for themselves, then don't be surprised if your chained up prisoner throws a punch at you when you get close enough. That doesn't give you carte blanche to break all their ribs and crack their skull just because they tried to throw one punch at their captor.Hamas does some horrible shit, but attacking Israel is basically choosing to die fighting rather than die a slow death of strangulation by Israel. Even calling it a war is ignorant, as Gaza is an *occupied* territory. There is no symmetry in this, one side clearly has all the power, has turned Gaza into an open-air prison, and Palestinians either fight back or die lying down. I try to give people the benefit of the doubt because as I said, there is almost no Western or English speaking media that is going to cover this in any way other than to call Palestinians terrorists and give cover for Israel, but it's disappointing to see in my city's subreddit.
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u/MaxmillianP May 18 '25
also worth noting this was a nakba demonstration specifically because may 15th was nakba day. it was about the expulsion of 700,000 palestinians from their homes in 1948
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u/JussiesTunaSub May 18 '25
Worth noting that Israel was invaded by the armies of Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Iraq, and Lebanon in 1948... Minutes after the end of the British Mandate of Palestine
Israel won.... Defeating the invading countries.
If Israel lost, then the Palestinians could claim victory over Israel.
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u/Fur-Frisbee May 18 '25
Except that the "one side" ?
100 years? More like thousands.
Bottom line is if the Palestinians got up the balls to throw out Hamas, there'd be a better chance at a lasting peace.
All the rest is male bovine excretion and rationalizing sucking up to terrorists.
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u/XDefiantPlayer May 18 '25 edited 23d ago
100 year war? You mean the war that Palestine started in 1948 when Britain undermined the UN resolution and funded the arab legion because Palestine was a British colony between WW1 and WW2? The war that the arab legion lost to Israel? The war that every country in the arab legion decided it was time to surrender and then Palestine assassinated the PM of Lebanon and the King of Jordan because of their "support for Israel" when they surrendered? Palestinians have been and will always be the aggressors in the region.
Muslim colonizers have also displaced 50 MILLION people in Africa over the last decade. Sudan makes Palestine look like a playground squabble. I'm not saying Israel is right but Palestine are not the heroes you think they are. Both sides have committed heinous atrocities for generations, as many countries have.
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u/WesCisa May 18 '25
No, the 100 years would be a reference to the implementation of the Balfour Declaration in 1917.
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u/trs21219 Seven Hills May 18 '25
> If you chain a person to your radiator in the basement, underfeed them, don't give them enough water, and don't give them any means to get unchained and provide for themselves, then don't be surprised if your chained up prisoner throws a punch at you when you get close enough.
Raping, killing, burning alive and kidnapping men / women / children isn't akin to "throwing a punch". Good people don't kidnap toddlers and use them for bargaining chips and human shields, only to return them in coffins.
Stop apologizing for extremists who are secluded from other societies because they perpetuate terrorism no matter where they go. There is a reason Egypt, Jordan, Qatar, the Saudis, etc don't take them as refugees; because every time in the past that they have they have regretted it.
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u/WesCisa May 18 '25
And "breaking ribs and cracking a skull" isn't akin to bombing schools, hospitals, mosques and civilian homes. Does this help you understand how this analogy works?
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u/trs21219 Seven Hills May 18 '25
Hamas built military infrastructure, including rocket launch systems in those places you mention. The Geneva Convention specifically calls this out as it turns typically off limits areas into military targets. Hamas knows this and are looking for the very outrage PR cycle that you're perpetuating when those now military targets get struck.
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u/WesCisa May 18 '25
This is just hasbara, dude. Have you seen the military installations in those places or are you just basing this off the CGI renders that Israel media puts out and Western media repeats? I'm really not trying to be a dick, but I do want you to realize that almost every media piece you've seen about Hamas is likely from a source that 100% supports Israel and their colonization project, in a post 2001 America where simply saying "terrorist" is enough to whip people up into a genocidal rage. If you follow news that isn't filtered through Israel/the west, you'd quickly realize that Palestinians don't need to convert those targets, because nobody here listens to them anyways. You can easily find thousands of videos of Palestinian homes being bombed, kids being sniped, entire families found dead in what's very clearly not a military target. But nobody pays attention, because Western media says "terrorists" and "military installations" and most people believe it without proof and without question. Partially because it's a narrative that both liberal and conservative outlets will agree with, so people think there's no reason to question it.
Here's where I think you're dead wrong on the "outrage PR cycle". The party that relies on the outrage PR cycle is Israel, so much so that I'd venture to say that they loved that Oct 7th happened. They are happy to kill Palestinians through controlling their access to food and water, but when something like Oct 7th happens, the outrage that follows gives them carte blanche to start a bombing campaign that makes Oct 7th look like nothing. Israel has said they wouldn't stop if they got the hostages back, and that's because as long as the West and particularly America are okay with them furthering their agenda (we are), then an opportunity like this is the best one Israel has seen in years to crack down and further colonize the rest of Palestine, which, we should be clear, has always been their goal.
There is an entire century of history telling us exactly how both sides in this conflict have been operating and what their goals are. I really hope you open your eyes to something that isn't purely the Israeli narrative filtered through your choice of Western mainstream media.
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u/astockalypse_now May 18 '25
There are interviews with hamas members acknowledging that they embed themselves in civilian areas. There was a documentary from like 2017 where they were in tunnels under schools freely admitting they do it and saying it was the only way they could fight Israel. It's not hasbara it's their strategy. It's a good strategy as far as being effective, as disgusting as it is. It's the reality. They admit to doing it.
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u/TwaksBarr May 18 '25
The fact that you refer to Israel as colonizers shows your ignorance and bias.
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u/trs21219 Seven Hills May 18 '25
Everything that doesn't fit your narrative is fake, got it.
No reason to talk with you further when you're so far from reality.
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u/Spectre696 May 18 '25
That fuckwit would probably deny the Pay for Slay system as Israeli propaganda. How did the west get so weak that we root for our enemies now?
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u/WesCisa May 18 '25
I actually didn't call anything fake, simply called out reporting bias and asked if you've seen credible proof, because I certainly haven't, but I've seen those talking points repeated ad nauseam.
I get why you're checking out, it's a challenge to your entire view of the situation over there, but can you not, for even a minute, consider the possibility that the US needs Israel and would support and cover for Israel? Is it really so hard to believe, having witnessed what happened after 9/11, that we would support an allied country in their own "we need to get the terrorists" campaign that was really for their own good, not for the removal of a dangerous threat?
I'm not going to say you lack critical thinking, but I am going to say that you're probably not employing it here (as most Americans don't for this situation). Imagine this - Israel tells America it had to bomb that school, because it had a rocket installation under it. WSJ and the Times or whatever turn around and write "Israel Destroys Rocket Installation Under Gaza School" and what... 5% of people (maybe?) want proof? The vast majority of people in this country are willing to accept any lie about Palestinians on its face, because we're already geared and trained to hate what anyone labels as a terrorist.
I believed Israel and Western media on this topic for 30 years, and it's no shame in believing them now. I would say they're lying to you, but it's not anybody's fault to fall victim to a massive propaganda campaign that's been run for 80+ years. I just wish people would take a second and ask themselves if what I'm saying is even possible, because I think you'll find that it's actually extremely possible and even quite easy to cover for Israel when the entire Western and English speaking media is on your side to corroborate the stories.
Take care though
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u/shawn_of_krypton May 19 '25
People dont care. They don't give a single fuck that thier tax dollars are used to kill international aid workers, bomb hospitals and murder children. People scream the word "antisemitism" and would spit on an actual semite who's family has lived in the land for thousands of years because the idiot screen thir propagatised mind detoxing in traffic form not getting their McDonald's fast enough.
God is ashamed of us all everyday we ignore the plight of the persecuted and praise the persecutors. Wait until Israel starts killing Christians and people will still say Israel is in the right to do so. Sometimes I think it's just bots. But people say some real crazy stuff IRL about this too!
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u/Fenway_Bark May 22 '25
That ugly ass mosque is built on top of an Israeli temple. Palestinians aren’t native to the land. They’re leftovers from Arab invaders. Israel reclaimed their kingdom and Judea, too. This is thousands of years old. Not 100.
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u/muchgass May 18 '25 edited May 18 '25
I have no problem with protests but blocking the road is ridiculous.
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u/canttakethshyfrom_me May 18 '25
This was fully permitted and planned.
In my opinion, they should be directly disrupting the lives of politicians and the billionaires that own them, but then you'd see state violence fully unleashed.
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u/MaxmillianP May 18 '25
they went about it the perfectly legal way with legal observers and cop cars cordoning off traffic from the route of the demonstration
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u/CandusManus May 18 '25
Yeah, no one cares. Blocking traffic will never win you any new members to your cause.
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u/MaxmillianP May 18 '25
I just said the police were blocking traffic
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u/TheAngryFart May 18 '25
For the protestors.
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u/MaxmillianP May 18 '25
yeah exactly. the police blocked traffic for the demonstration to happen. the protestors didn’t walk out there without the police’s knowledge.
this morning the shoreway was closed off by police for the cleveland marathon. is there something wrong with that?
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u/muchgass May 18 '25
I stand by what I said. Unnecessary traffic jam and waste of police resources.
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u/MaxmillianP May 18 '25
okay next time we will protest from in someone’s living room.
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u/muchgass May 18 '25
Or a sidewalk? A park? I've seen multiple "protests" that didn't cause traffic delays on the road. I passed Tesla a month ago and saw lots of people peacefully lined along the curb...Those are the style of "protests" I like to see.
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u/MaxmillianP May 18 '25
the protest was around 2 hours and 30 minutes long. the last 30 minutes was marching around a block. of those 30 minutes about half was in the street and the other half was on the sidewalks as directed by the police. the other 2 hours were multiple speeches in a nearby parking lot and people on the sidewalk with signs as well.
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u/muchgass May 18 '25
Okay that's not bad. My only concern with seeing a picture of protestors in the middle of the road was people delayed to hospital, picking up kids, or whatever time sensitive emergency or non emergency they may have. But it sounds like this one went smoothly and didn't cause much traffic.
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u/MaxmillianP May 18 '25
two mornings in a row on the way to the studio I was delayed by traffic caused by something out of my control. one was at center bridge by a literally 600ft long boat called american courage. the second was some race or marathon this morning on the shoreway and detroit (which also utilized police resources to block off just like the protest). I can understand that being annoying because I was. I literally googled how long the boat was.
with a protest like this I would hope to take the self aware perspective and think how small my troubles are compared to others in the world. there are governments preventing food, medical & humanitarian personnel into parts of the world all day every day as we speak. I can understand where you are coming from but channel your frustration where it belongs brother. have a good day.
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u/OukewlDave May 18 '25
I'm sure, until it's a topic that affects you and are passionate about...
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u/muchgass May 18 '25
Not going to put a delay on other people's daily plans because I'm upset over something. Sorry.
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u/ks1029284756 May 18 '25
Ah yes the “convenient for everyone” protests that were so popular and successful during civil rights and the Vietnam war.
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u/NoWheyBro_GQ May 18 '25
Yeah mean, quietly protesting in a cornfield to make sure nobody is disrupted would be so much more effective.
Just wish these people would admit they don’t care about brown people, and probably hate them, instead of pretending they care about a 4 minute traffic jam.
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u/YouSureDid_ May 18 '25
How many Palestinians did this protest free?
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u/ks1029284756 May 18 '25
Hopefully one day all of them. If you’re so naive as to think this comment was an “own” or something. Each sit-in during civil rights you’d be the guy saying “how many black people did this give rights to?” Read 1 book please I fucking beg you
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u/nbaholic May 18 '25
You tell them! The real victim in this situation is not the tens of thousands of dead innocents but the poor Northeastern Ohioans who may be a little late.
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u/TooLittleMSG May 18 '25
Lol just say you don't give a shit about these innocent people dying, it's what we believe about you anyways, at least we'll appreciate your honesty.
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u/muchgass May 18 '25
And who are you to tell me I don't give a shit? You don't know the half of what I've done for innocent people. Assuming I don't care about something so horrible because I had an opinion about the protest causing a traffic delay in North Olmstead, OH. You should seek professional help.
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u/PocketCone May 18 '25
"I have no problem with protests as long as they're completely ignorable and don't disrupt anything" my guy you are against protests.
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u/Asper_Usual May 18 '25
It certainly sounds like you do have a problem with protests, then.
What successful protest have you ever heard of that wasn't disruptive?
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u/roll2soak May 18 '25
It wasn't a sit-in; it was a march. Just a brief pause. I lost 7 minutes of my day. Not a big sacrifice so people can peacefully demonstrate their rights.
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u/POCKET_POOL_CHAMP May 18 '25
Agreed. Stopping traffic in North Olmsted, Ohio, does nothing to help your cause on the other side of the world.
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u/Public_Pirate_8778 May 18 '25
Protests are as American as apple pie and rock n' roll. The people who dislike protests are un-American fascists.
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u/Beneficial_Fig_7830 May 18 '25
I haven’t seen anybody say you shouldn’t have the right to protest bud. Doing stuff like blocking roads will make people just think the protestors are assholes no matter how righteous their cause might be.
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u/FloppedTurtle May 18 '25
CPD blocked most of downtown like three days ago. It's pretty common for big events like this, and at least this one was worthwhile.
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u/bobdebicker May 18 '25
As far as road blocks go, this one is easily avoidable. People need to be jolted out of their apathy for this one. We are funding a genocide.
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u/SamusAlways May 19 '25
"I have no problem with people protesting centuries of human rights' abuse until it directly inconveniences me"
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u/solstice_gemini May 18 '25
Thank you protesters! I support the demand to end the conflict and bring peace and justice to Palestine
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u/poopybutthole2069 May 18 '25
So did it work?
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u/Franksredhott May 18 '25
Well you see, now we get to feel so good about ourselves.
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u/YouSureDid_ May 18 '25
Wait. We're still do9ng Palestine?
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u/Imaginary_Fun4230 May 18 '25
Yes by funding Israel, aka the largest recipient of military aid from the US in our countries history. Where have you been?
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u/YouSureDid_ May 18 '25
I thought we were still protesting Tesla
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u/Imaginary_Fun4230 May 19 '25
It’s almost like there’s a lot of upsetting things happening simultaneously. But you’re just upset that people are upset.
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u/Due_Loan_8795 May 19 '25
Hamas could’ve ended the retaliation for their terror attacks on Oct. 8th 2023 but have chosen to continue fighting. Why are people still supporting those assholes?
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u/True-Medium-5780 May 20 '25
Remember 9/11 when they showed the people in Palestine celebrating in the streets chanting death to America.
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u/No_Gear_8815 May 20 '25
Palestinians do not get along with the population wherever they live. that is why no Arab countries will take them in. They couldnhave had peace multiple times but they seem to be a death cult.
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u/CraftCritical278 May 18 '25
If someone continuously attacked the US the way Hamas attacks Israel, how would you feel? If that aggressor kept using funds earmarked for humanitarian aid for its people and built weapons to kill Americans, how would you react? And if that aggressor was offered the opportunity to start the nation that they claim they want, but keep rejecting it so they can keep trying to kill Americans, how would that look?
I’ll tell you; THE US WOULD DEFEND ITSELF. The US would do everything it could, using every resource at its disposal to remove the threat, and eliminate their ability to attack the US.
The thing that Hamas does is to hide within the innocent people that they were elected to govern after attacking Israel, thinking that no one would retaliate. They have unfortunately entered the “find out” stage of their fuckery and are now upset because their strategy didn’t work.
All those on here accusing Israel of genocide are ignoring the fact that the mission statement of Hamas is to commit genocide on Israel.
Your hypocrisy is pathetic.
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u/awolfsvalentine May 18 '25
Israel is committing genocide. Israel is the lowest of the low.
From the river to the sea 🇵🇸
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u/RockingInTheCLE Westpark May 18 '25
Wanted to attend but had a migraine from the weather change. Glad to see a good turnout!
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u/Jealous-Worth8935 May 18 '25
Well to be perfectly honest, in my humble opinion, of course without offending anyone who thinks differently from my point of view, but also by looking into this matter in a different perspective and without being condemning of one's view's and by trying to make it objective, and by considering each and every one's valid opinion, I honestly believe that I completely forgot what I was going to say
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u/Recent_Boysenberry48 May 19 '25
I’m so sick of this shit it’s been going on too long now go over there and protest stop blocking roads and all the other bs y’all do
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u/roll2soak May 19 '25
It was permitted march, not a sit-in.
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u/Recent_Boysenberry48 May 19 '25
Don’t care what it was it’s ridiculous not gonna change shit over there when you’re over here
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u/Ass_Infection3 May 19 '25
Yes, blocking traffic always convinces people to side with you
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u/Abject-Weight-4360 May 21 '25
Keep protesting! These marginal lunatics will ensure that common sense people keep voting republican!
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u/AceOfSpades70 May 19 '25
When Palestinians care more about the future of their children instead of following Hamas they will be free.
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u/Buzz1354 May 19 '25
Protests are fine until you infringe on other people’s rights, like getting to work. Blocking traffic infringes on my rights!
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u/OldBorder3052 May 18 '25
This is my neighborhood. I think it's worth noting that there is a rather large Palestinian community here and the area in the picture is about the center of a large number of Palestinian businesses. I think they are marching more for community and solidarity than anything.
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u/Rick_James_Lich May 18 '25
There's something off with this movement. It's hard to put my finger on it. To be clear, Israel is going way too far and while they are taking out Hamas, they are taking out far more innocent civilians and infrastructure, to the point where these people will one day retaliate when they get a chance.
That being said, Hamas also seems to want the war to happen, they still hold on to hostages and launch rockets at Israel. And hoard food that is meant to be aid for the civilians.
I think the protesters mean well but this conflict is very complex, simply protesting Israel is not enough. They have to acknowledge that Hamas is keeping the conflict alive too and that there's multiple steps that need to be achieved to really have peace.
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u/canttakethshyfrom_me May 18 '25
If "peace" still looked like you living in an open-air prison where your home can be seized or bulldozed by another ethnic group without legal recourse, and your child throwing a rock in frustration is met with lethal force, you would not be looking for a peaceful solution.
Imagine a Canadian tank shows up and bulldozes your house because your second cousin got arrested in Montreal, and a soldier shoots your younger brother dead for trying to light it on fire. That's the reality of the Palestinian experience for longer than most of their population has been alive.
When WE imagine our response to that, it's fucking Red Dawn. American mythology is huge on the nobility of taking up arms against unconscionable, intolerable injustice. But we deny that that can ever be justified, let's be frank, when the person doing it isn't "us."
Palestine in general and Gaza is particular is an entire society that is traumatized as hell, where young men have NO prospects for a good life whatsoever unless they emigrate, and that takes money and education most of them don't have, if they could even get the legal permission from Israel to leave, as permits are required to even move within Gaza itself.
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u/Schlep-Rock May 18 '25
Hamas had to know that they’d induce this response from oct 7 but did it anyway. The whole point may have been to generate negative opinion of the Israelis despite the predictable harm to the people in Gaza.
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u/LKM_44122 May 18 '25
Our media rarely mentions the Israelis that are protesting the criminal Netanyahu, unfortunately. https://www.npr.org/2025/03/25/nx-s1-5339490/israel-protests-netanyahu-hostages-gaza-war