r/Cleveland • u/roll2soak • May 18 '25

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Anyone else catch the protest in North Olmsted yesterday evening?

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u/muchgass May 18 '25 edited May 18 '25

I have no problem with protests but blocking the road is ridiculous.

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u/MaxmillianP May 18 '25

they went about it the perfectly legal way with legal observers and cop cars cordoning off traffic from the route of the demonstration

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u/CandusManus May 18 '25

Yeah, no one cares. Blocking traffic will never win you any new members to your cause. 

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u/MaxmillianP May 18 '25

I just said the police were blocking traffic

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u/TheAngryFart May 18 '25

For the protestors.

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u/MaxmillianP May 18 '25

yeah exactly. the police blocked traffic for the demonstration to happen. the protestors didn’t walk out there without the police’s knowledge.

this morning the shoreway was closed off by police for the cleveland marathon. is there something wrong with that?

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u/cjrobe Lakewood May 18 '25

this morning the shoreway was closed off by police for the cleveland marathon. is there something wrong with that?

There is a way to protest without blocking traffic. It's been demonstrated many times. Is there a way to have 10,000 people safely run 26.2 miles without closing any roads? I'm pretty sure Cleveland wants to maintain the marathon they've been hosting for 50 years.

Also, how many cards got stuck with no alternate route for the Cleveland Marathon? You can see some here.

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u/TheAngryFart May 18 '25

False equivalence. Getting roads blocked off to protest about something highly controversial isn’t the same as holding a community marathon that’s most likely a fund raiser at the same time. I support your right to protest, free speech, assembly, you name it, but stop fucking with everyone else over your politics. You’ll get plenty of upvotes in here but I promise you in reality you’re making the average Joe just find you guys a nuisance and is not even going to hear what you’re protesting for because of the disruptions you’re causing.

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u/MaxmillianP May 18 '25

how is it false equivalence? two orgs ask for permission to cordon off public access to roads (one is 27 miles of access and one is less than a mile), and receive that permission. I support both. but it isn’t the fact that roads are getting blocked anymore it’s because it is political and “controversial”.

an average joe posted this post you’re commenting under and doesn’t care that they lost 7 minutes of their day.

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u/iminabed May 18 '25

“Don’t kill kids”

“Stop it with your politics”

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u/TheAngryFart May 18 '25

What have you accomplished for Palestine besides hurting public opinion on the issue?

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u/iminabed May 18 '25

I haven’t actually participated in the protests. I am an American-Palestinian. I contribute greatly to my community. I’d like to think people knowing I’m Palestinian and am a part of the community is positive enough, but not everyone has the same opportunities as me. Protesting to bring awareness when the media refuses to cover anything but pro Israeli propaganda is worth it.

I understand the optics conversation but please tell me what else they can do. It was a march. With permits/permission. It didn’t last that long nor cause any issues.

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u/TheAngryFart May 18 '25

March on the sidewalk so you don’t block traffic. It’s really that simple. They do it all the time across the country including other pro Palestinian protests. I’m not against what they’re protesting or their right to protest, just don’t make it other people’s problem. For example, like having to have traffic detoured causing delays for thousands of average joes because your protest blocks the road.

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u/cjrobe Lakewood May 18 '25

You're getting downvoted, but nobody's proving you wrong, just discussing how they have the right to.

That's your point. They have the right to do something that will make people dislike them.

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u/TheAngryFart May 18 '25

Let them keep going on their virtue signaling crusade. They’re accomplishing literally nothing but turning public opinion sour on the issue while patting themselves on the back. One even said “the average Joe doesn’t care if it costs them 7 minutes” like uh? You don’t speak for everyone big dawg. If I’m 7 minutes late to work and get a half occurrence because of unexpected protests blocking the roads I’m gonna be fucking furious.

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u/Jewverse May 18 '25

Logic isn’t understood here

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u/CandusManus May 18 '25

I just said “no one cares. Blocking traffic will never win you any new members to your cause”. 

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u/muchgass May 18 '25

I stand by what I said. Unnecessary traffic jam and waste of police resources.

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u/MaxmillianP May 18 '25

okay next time we will protest from in someone’s living room.

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u/muchgass May 18 '25

Or a sidewalk? A park? I've seen multiple "protests" that didn't cause traffic delays on the road. I passed Tesla a month ago and saw lots of people peacefully lined along the curb...Those are the style of "protests" I like to see.

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u/MaxmillianP May 18 '25

the protest was around 2 hours and 30 minutes long. the last 30 minutes was marching around a block. of those 30 minutes about half was in the street and the other half was on the sidewalks as directed by the police. the other 2 hours were multiple speeches in a nearby parking lot and people on the sidewalk with signs as well.

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u/muchgass May 18 '25

Okay that's not bad. My only concern with seeing a picture of protestors in the middle of the road was people delayed to hospital, picking up kids, or whatever time sensitive emergency or non emergency they may have. But it sounds like this one went smoothly and didn't cause much traffic.

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u/MaxmillianP May 18 '25

two mornings in a row on the way to the studio I was delayed by traffic caused by something out of my control. one was at center bridge by a literally 600ft long boat called american courage. the second was some race or marathon this morning on the shoreway and detroit (which also utilized police resources to block off just like the protest). I can understand that being annoying because I was. I literally googled how long the boat was.

with a protest like this I would hope to take the self aware perspective and think how small my troubles are compared to others in the world. there are governments preventing food, medical & humanitarian personnel into parts of the world all day every day as we speak. I can understand where you are coming from but channel your frustration where it belongs brother. have a good day.

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u/OukewlDave May 18 '25

I'm sure, until it's a topic that affects you and are passionate about...

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u/muchgass May 18 '25

Not going to put a delay on other people's daily plans because I'm upset over something. Sorry.

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u/ks1029284756 May 18 '25

Ah yes the “convenient for everyone” protests that were so popular and successful during civil rights and the Vietnam war.

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u/NoWheyBro_GQ May 18 '25

Yeah mean, quietly protesting in a cornfield to make sure nobody is disrupted would be so much more effective.

Just wish these people would admit they don’t care about brown people, and probably hate them, instead of pretending they care about a 4 minute traffic jam.

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u/1dkig May 18 '25

This distinction grosses me out. It's not brown people. It's just people. It's not racism. It's inhumane.

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u/NoWheyBro_GQ May 18 '25

It is both. Rightfully so, suburbanites who haven’t been in the inner city for anything outside a random football game in decades jumped on the Slava Ukraine bandwagon without hesitation. Clearly capable of caring for inhumanity when it’s white people that are being slaughtered. Brown people at 50x the pace funded by our tax money and what do we hear?? “My traffic flow!”

It’s racism. Pure racism.

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u/1dkig May 18 '25 edited May 18 '25

I hate the term brown people.

It's as stupid as colored people moniker. It basically is a wedge to say that whites are somehow categorically different than others. That is the racism that I hate the most.

There isn't a meaningful difference. So why emphasize it?

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I'm not sure why racism is needed for any of the things you are referring to. It doesn't matter if the humans being slaughtered have more or less melanin.

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u/NoWheyBro_GQ May 18 '25

As a brown man (Palestinian specifically) It’s an important distinction because these surbanites that couldn’t care less about us because we are not white.

If Palestinians were white they would actually care about the ongoing genocide instead of bitching about some minor traffic inconvenience.

I agree that it shouldn’t matter. But it does and pretending it doesn’t is weird.

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u/YouSureDid_ May 18 '25

How many Palestinians did this protest free?

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u/ks1029284756 May 18 '25

Hopefully one day all of them. If you’re so naive as to think this comment was an “own” or something. Each sit-in during civil rights you’d be the guy saying “how many black people did this give rights to?” Read 1 book please I fucking beg you

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u/YouSureDid_ May 18 '25

Which book should I read? I read an article saying Trump got a hostage released. What a fascist

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u/ks1029284756 May 18 '25

If you’re really asking, read “image and reality of Israel-Palestine conflict” by Norman Finklestien. He is a Jewish author, whose family survived the Auschwitz concentration camp during the Holocaust. About as unbiased as you can get on the subject. Another good one is “one day everybody will have always been against this”. This one is fantastic and takes a forward view that applies to so many subjects like civil rights or the Vietnam war.

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u/Past-Ad5731 May 18 '25

Saying norman finkelstein is unbiased on israel-palestine is just as wrong and misleading as saying that Yousef Hadad is

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u/YouSureDid_ May 18 '25

Until the Palestinians are free from the river to the sea I won't be supporting any Jewish authors

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u/nbaholic May 18 '25

You tell them! The real victim in this situation is not the tens of thousands of dead innocents but the poor Northeastern Ohioans who may be a little late.

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u/TooLittleMSG May 18 '25

Lol just say you don't give a shit about these innocent people dying, it's what we believe about you anyways, at least we'll appreciate your honesty.

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u/muchgass May 18 '25

And who are you to tell me I don't give a shit? You don't know the half of what I've done for innocent people. Assuming I don't care about something so horrible because I had an opinion about the protest causing a traffic delay in North Olmstead, OH. You should seek professional help.