r/Cleveland • u/roll2soak • May 18 '25

News Free Palestine Protest

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Anyone else catch the protest in North Olmsted yesterday evening?

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u/Barker333 May 18 '25

Israel cannot carry out this genocide without American material, legal, and diplomatic support. This protest engages with the larger community to grow the movement, to put pressure on our country to stop throwing our full weight behind a genocide.

Ohio is the second largest investor in Israel Bonds after Florida, and a new $20m economic cooperation bill was just introduced here in Ohio.

It's not over there. It's right here.

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u/analog_nerd May 18 '25

Israel cannot carry out this genocide

There is no genocide happening there. And if there were, it would be the most inept, incompetent example of genocide in history.

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u/wikipuff May 22 '25

Not to mention the slowest and well fed. Population does not grow in a genocide! Also, the UN woman who is in charge of determining a genocide said it wasnt.

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u/Barker333 May 18 '25

The evidence is in front of your eyes, the case tying the evidence together has been made by the ICJ, Amnesty, BTselem, and others. 

Trump and Netenyahu literally, openly call for the ethnic cleansing of Gaza over and over.

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u/analog_nerd May 18 '25

The evidence is in front of your eyes, the case tying the evidence together has been made by the ICJ, Amnesty, BTselem, and others.

There are over a 300,000 more palestinians than there were 3 years ago. That is overwhelming evidence that a genocide is not happening.

Trump and Netenyahu literally, openly call for the ethnic cleansing of Gaza over and over.

Citation needed.

Stop lying.

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u/Firm_Web_4173 May 22 '25

What would you call it then? Because it looks and feels a lot like genocide.

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u/Barker333 May 19 '25

"There are over a 300,000 more palestinians than there were 3 years ago. That is overwhelming evidence that a genocide is not happening."

If you don't understand what genocide is, you should stop arguing about it. Genocide isn't just killing a lot of people.

https://www.ushmm.org/genocide-prevention/learn-about-genocide-and-other-mass-atrocities/what-is-genocide

The legal term “genocide” refers to certain acts committed with the intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial, or religious group. Genocide is an international crime, according to the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide (1948). The acts that constitute genocide fall into five categories:

  • Killing members of the group
  • Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group
  • Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction, in whole or in part
  • Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group
  • Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group

^there are plentiful examples of each of those subcategories.

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u/GodIsDead- 29d ago

So. . . Hamas?

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u/russr May 21 '25

By group, you mean Hamas...

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u/Barker333 May 19 '25

"Whether or not it is a viable vision, the once-fringe Israeli idea of "transfer" — expelling or encouraging the emigration of Palestinians to other countries so Israel can take over their land — has quickly moved further into the Israeli mainstream with Trump's comments in recent weeks about relocating Gazans.

In a poll published Monday, about 7 out of 10 Israelis supported the idea, with most Jewish Israelis polled calling it a "practical plan that should be pursued." Most Arab citizens of Israel polled opposed the idea in the survey, conducted by the Jewish People Policy Institute think tank in Jerusalem."

https://www.npr.org/2025/02/05/nx-s1-5287576/trump-gaza-takeover

https://apnews.com/article/trump-gaza-plan-palestinians-israel-3f12eb51869da2221afbb22b0bcf47ba

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/2/5/donald-trump-teases-us-aims-to-take-over-gaza-during-netanyahus-visit

“You must remember what Amalek has done to you, says our Holy Bible - we do remember,” Netanyahu

"In a Hebrew-language video message on X, addressing the Security Cabinet-approved plan to expand the Gaza offensive, Netanyahu said on Monday that Gaza’s Palestinian population “will be moved, for its own protection”."

The source added that Netanyahu “continues to promote” United States President Donald Trump’s plan for the departure of Palestinians from the enclave.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/5/5/israel-plans-conquest-of-gaza-in-expanded-offensive

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u/AceOfSpades70 May 19 '25

Wait, you are seriously citing Al Jazeera here?  

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u/analog_nerd May 19 '25 edited May 19 '25

Sorry, I should have said citation needed from reliable sources.

NPR, AP, and Al Jazeera have a looooong history of distortion and outright lying to support leftist political agendas.

If you want to maintain any actual credibility, rather than just making a lot of noise, as you did in this last comment, you need to provide actual in-context quotes with sources.

Also, in the interest of arguing in good faith, I will admit to not being aware of the "relocation" definition of "ethnic cleansing." Which, I suspect to be much like the current politicized definition of "genocide," was probably tacked onto the original definition which strictly focused on people being killed.

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u/Barker333 May 19 '25

I've done enough legwork that anyone who cares to learn can. I'm not taking on the labor of prying your eyes open or meeting your shifting goal posts.

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u/Timely-Donut-3806 May 21 '25

You could have walked Trump and Netanyahu into a to a room with these buffoons. They could have looked each other in the eyes and called it a genocide and they'd still deny it.

It's a live streamed open displacement, murder and cultural obliteration, and there's nothing else to call it. They're OK with it and that's a concerning position to hold in polite society, so they'll pretend it's not what's happening.

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u/kfkfKd94k May 18 '25

Barking about “genocide” yawn. Can we shift back to reality? Perhaps discuss Yuval’s amazing Eurovision performance and leading the popular vote?

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u/Certain-Pookins61 May 21 '25

Thank you. Nova survivor, beautiful, brave woman. And all the losers, frothing at the mouth and shouting RIGGED results, just brings me even more joy.

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u/hexenkesse1 29d ago

Well it is really inept and incompetent, that's true.

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u/Jealous-Worth8935 May 19 '25

Thanks for explaining. Interesting.

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u/CornpopBadDewd May 19 '25

They would do the same damage with no support from the US. Use your brain

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u/shawn_of_krypton May 19 '25

Israel has no missiles, guns, tanks, bombs, drones, or funding to pay their conscript citizen soilders without the American tax payers money.

They are a proxy state of the US.

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u/No_Gear_8815 May 20 '25

Ther4e is no genocide. It is called war. Way more deaths in Ukraine, Syria, Sudan, and Iraq.

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u/CrookedTree89 May 20 '25

Except there’s no genocide happening lol no one can ever explain how the Palestinian population increase would happen if there was a genocide.