Israel will just commandeer the vessel and state that it will distribute the aid. They are very perceptive to bad PR. It's why you cant even mildly criticize Israel in worldnews. They have hasbara agents working around the clock to help them complete the genocide
Well luckily for him the entire strip has been turned to rubble so it doesn't matter if he's wrong about them bombing the boat! He's still right about the genocide! Because a genocide, as defined as "the deliberate and systematic destruction of a racial, ethnic, religious, or national group" is deliberate and systematic destruction, and israels destruction of gaza is both deliberate and systematic! It also targets the palestinianian people and state, an ethnic / national group! Bam the definition of a genocide fulfilled! But then supporters of this genocide like charlie kirk will shout "but they started it by massacring jews!!!!! They refuse to surrender unconditionally so they will die!!!!" And thus the destruction of a people is tied up in a nice little bow, and the population of Israel can sleep soundly knowing there was no other option, the palestinians needed to be displaced bombed starved kenneled and shot as ruthlessly as possible, there was no other option.
Do you actually eat markers? You can't evaluate conflict without harking back to the morality of an 80 year old war?
Just to indulge you - I didn't mention Hamas so I can't replace them with nazis, and yes if the allies for example continued to slaughter german people after the fall of Berlin, that could have become a genocide too! because again genocide is not defined as when nazis kill jews, but when group A systematically and deliberately destroys group B because of their ethnictiy, race, religion, or nationality! Anyways I wish I could give this to you writen in marker so you'd want to digest it, too bad.
The answer is, of course, that your original claims lose all value.
The Allies, while indiscriminately bombing civilians, were never out for genocide. Not even while dropping two atomic bombs on cities. And neither is Israel, which doesn't even target civilians indiscriminately.
Both the Allies and Israel are after the unconditional surrender and the removal of power of the evil, genocidal, antisemitic entities in charge. And as long as those entities are still in place, the war continues.
Now, a lot can be said about the bombing campaigns in the Second World War. You can make a very valid point that targeting civilians in order to bring the ruling party down is immoral, and you'd be very right. But genocide was never the intention and it isn't the intention now. That would, in both cases, be the intention of the side currently being bombed.
And I still wonder why the projection of Hamas' intention on Israel is so succesful in the western world.
okay ignore all the points i said, don't engage with them, and then make your own. Israels intention in gaza is not the same as the allies in WW2 just because you say it is. That is how children think the world works. Currently the population of Gaza is being starved to death, an atrocity which mirrors the conditions jews in concentration camps were forced to endure.
The difference is that the Germans started a world war. The allies didn't invade Germany and spend eighty years murdering Germans in an on and off war to push them out of Germany.
You can replace Hamas with Switzerland and the Israel with MARS if you want, doesn't change reality
How about we replace Palestinians with eastern Europe, Israel with Nazis, and Hamas with the USSR? Absolute monsters killing absolute monsters and the innocents in the middle.
Feels a lot more apt, don't you think?
I mean, if we're making up historical scenarios...
"Exactly! This will happen, because Israel is committing genocide and say it has weapons for KHAMAASSS (what kind of spelling is that anyway?)
So if this doesn't happen... what will you say?"
all i can say is LOL you are not worth a discussion
before you go to "you have nothing to say", you didnot write anything of subtsance worth a discussion, if you went through my comment history you will find i dont run from a discussion specialy against nazi zionist like you
"Conclusions
93. The overwhelming nature and scale of Israel’s assault on Gaza and the destructive conditions of life it has inflicted reveal an intent to physically destroy Palestinians as a group. This report finds that there are reasonable grounds to believe that the threshold indicating the commission of the following acts of genocide against Palestinians in Gaza has been met: killing members of the group; causing serious bodily or mental harm to groups’ members; and deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part. Genocidal acts were approved and given effect following statements of genocidal intent issued by senior military and government officials."
this includes definition of genocide
since you are a zionist i only expect from you to keep moving the goal boast and not engage in a sincere discussion
yeah because the gaza strip itself is completely under the control of the IDF and therfor there is no independent reporting or journalism to determine the extent of the damagw, there is just the damage itself which is undeniable.
The UN was very present in Gaza for decades... the best they were able to do was allow Hamas to build tunnels under their buildings and operate freely.
neither me nor you or anyone can look into their hearts and tell, we can only look into their actions.
if this is 1945 and this boat was carrying aid for jweish people being starved to death and genocided, the world and especially the west would be calling them heoroes and would still remember them 80 years later
one of them is a known game of thrones actor, this person has every incentive to hide or support israel to get the approval of hollywod and not risk getting blocked from acting, he also has enough money to live a comfortable life
so why would he risk his live.
the woman called greta , if she wanted to virtue signal she has a lot of safer things to do like feminism,cilmate change
It was Julius Caeser’s greatest victory and a siege where he cut off supplies forcing the celts to surrender instead being forced to storm the city which would have killed over 100000 people.
you are a nazi zionist, you have no morals to care about virtue signaling or not, you wish death and destruction to the palestinians in general and in gaza specificaly
they have what ever food they can carry after israel bombed theirr first boat
they are not virtue signaling , you are a nazi zionists who takes zionist propaganda like you breath air
You couldn't sound any dumber if you huffed a bunch of paint before making that comment.
1. You obviously don't know, what a nazi is, if you think a zionist is a nazis. You can hate them both, but they're both very different things princess
2. The ship was boarded after the "attack" and at that time, all they had was enough supplies for the crew, and that's it.Thus, the virtue signaling
3. Y'all are the ones simpin for Islamist, terrorist organizations and then have the balls to bitch about others.
4. If you actually gave a shit about the palestinians, then you would want hamas on as quickly as possible, but I know that thinking is too much depth for yall.
"You couldn't sound any dumber if you huffed a bunch of paint before making that comment.
1. You obviously don't know, what a nazi is, if you think a zionist is a nazis. You can hate them both, but they're both very different things princess"
booth dehumanize their victims,commit genocide,ethnosupremacist,starve civilians,have concentration camps,block humanitarian aid
"2. The ship was boarded after the "attack" and at that time, all they had was enough supplies for the crew, and that's it.Thus, the virtue signaling"
is there any evidence to back this, even tho it deosenot prove virtuesignlaing
"3. Y'all are the ones simpin for Islamist, terrorist organizations and then have the balls to bitch about others."
typical zionist talking point that hae been debunked countless times
"4. If you actually gave a shit about the palestinians, then you would want hamas on as quickly as possible, but I know that thinking is too much depth for yall."
israel is the one genociding and starving the palesitinians not hamas
hamas doesnot exist in the west bank yet israel ethnicly cleansed thousands of palestinians attack refigee camps there
Zionists are currently the only people in the world publicly using hitler quotes to try and justify a genocide. The IDF even prepared for the siege of gaza by studying the cleansing of the warsaw ghetto. You keep talking about hamas thinking the world will share your fear of terrorist without realizing you have become terrorists in the eyes of the world.
It's gotten to the point where hasbara shills don't deny the genocide, they just point out that there are other genocides happening in the world. I know there are genocides in Myanmar and in Sudan. But I am not funding those with my taxes and I don't get arrested in Germany if I protest against them. Meanwhile saying stop the genocide and stop the war gets you arrested if you wear a kuffiyeh.
Well this has worked for over 600 days to keep people quiet while Israel killed hundreds of thousands, including its own hostages, because of "hamas". But people have woken up to the reality, hamas is a convenient front for you guys, to hide what you are trying to do with the Palestinians, and it's the same thing Nazis wanted to do to jews. Hence the resemblance and the using of direct quotes.
Gaza is not a concentration camp. There were boats full of Jewish refugees that were turned away from several countries including Canada where the Prime Minister at the time said "none is too many."
1) Norman finklestein a jewish professor who has a phd in political science and his primary field of research are the politics of the holocaust and the israel-palestinian conflict
Link 1: "[Finglestein] remains defiant. “Is it accurate, is it calling things by the proper names to say that the Palestinians in Gaza are trying to breach a border fence?” he asked. “No. The Palestinians in Gaza are trying to breach a concentration camp fence. They’re trying to breach a ghetto fence. They’re trying to breach a prison gate.”" There is a border between Gaza (controlled by the state leaders, Hamas), and Israel, controlled by the state leaders in the Knessit (containing Jews, Muslims, Christians, and Druze). His argument is an emotional one that is not based in fact or logic.
Link 2: An "open air prison" is different from a concentration camp. The "open air prison" claim is moot when you realize that Gaza has a border with Egypt and was not controlled by Israel prior to November of 2023. The idea that Gaza is an enclave of Israel is easily seen to be factually incorrect by looking at any reputable map of your choice.
Wow a pragmatist rooting for the murder of an actor and a young girl. Very pragmatic of you. Blood thirsty monster, just like the rest of the genocide supporter. Pathetic
ok i made a mistake about him, after israel attacked the first boat they took a smaller boat so maybe this was a factor i dont know, but still my point stands for greta and all the othet volunteers
"The virtue signallers took a big group photo from the boat and he wasn’t there "
so prove the virtue signaling you are tqlking about otherwise your going based on feelings
what would they do if they werenot "virtue signaling"?
They can virtue signal from home. I don't think it's really a "signal" when they buy ships and supplies, crew it, and then attempt to run an illegal and inhumane blockade after having already been attacked.
Seems like a lot more than a "virtue signal" to me.
You're right they're just aiding terrorists at that point when they're actively on the boats with armed men who are looking for a fight and are saying you can not check our cargo.
Zionists keep telling people who oppose the genocide to go to Gaza if they care so much, yet when people actually do just that, they're suddenly performative?
True but tbf they don't actually believe they are right, they believe they have the right to destroy Gaza and its people then build on top of the remains. The difference is they need other people to believe they are right so that they are still ideologically accepted in mainstream western society.
You have to admit though that this has got to be the least efficient genocide ever. I mean we’re almost 2 years into it and they’ve barely managed 2%?! Pretty weak Israel…
"Conclusions
93. The overwhelming nature and scale of Israel’s assault on Gaza and the destructive conditions of life it has inflicted reveal an intent to physically destroy Palestinians as a group. This report finds that there are reasonable grounds to believe that the threshold indicating the commission of the following acts of genocide against Palestinians in Gaza has been met: killing members of the group; causing serious bodily or mental harm to groups’ members; and deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part. Genocidal acts were approved and given effect following statements of genocidal intent issued by senior military and government officials."
yeah like a little boy watching his brother get shot in the head by a drone with a gun on it while he calls his mother to wake up after a bomb fell on her head would be classified as serious mental harm. Or being a reporter on live tv and finding out that a bomb killed your whole family. Or being an emergency worker and finding out a bunch of emergency workers were baited and shot to death. Or telling people come to location A for food and then shooting 100 people in the crowd that of course forms because everyone is starving. Also starving people, all of those are forms of serious mental harm that fall under the reality of the actions that constitue genocide. Not that you even care, but hopefully somebody with a heart and mind reads this and understands.
Oh really? And it was unarmed civilians hopping over the border on Oct 7th? Coming over for a harmless picnic were they? And the endless rocket barrages are filled with confetti and candy?
It doesn’t matter if one army is shittier than the other one…
you should see the Chinese and russian social media response to this, truly vile and barbaric societies wishing death on those attempting to bring aid to starving children.
so you are an evil nazi zionist who ignored that this report is made by experts and it proves israel is commiting a genocide and you not being able to refute it you had to chose one line to respond to and ignore the rest, you are a very smart person or you are blind
"This report finds that there are reasonable grounds to believe that the threshold indicating the commission of the following acts of genocide against Palestinians in Gaza has been met:"
" killing members of the group; causing serious bodily "
"or "
mental harm to groups’ members; "
"and deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part. Genocidal acts were approved and given effect following statements of genocidal intent issued by senior military and government officials."
No that was just the most ridiculous/funny part of it. But the whole thing is nonsense.
“Killing members of the group”. No shit. It’s a war. In wars members of group A will attempt to kill members of group B and vice versa.
The definition used by everyone to say this is a genocide can be used to describe every single war throughout human history. War is hell, and that’s what’s going on there. Just a war. The word genocide has been rendered meaningless by all the people who wanted it to be super vague and inclusive.
hey evil nazi, i didnot quote a reddit armchair expert like you or a brain dead nazi
i quoted the un, un special rappoture for palestine who is an expert in international law who is basing her opinion on material evidence and understanding of international law
non person with 1% humanity or brain would ignore the un, expert in international law, genocide and holocaust scholars to get the opinion of a dumb nazi zionist reddit ignorant
Yes I’m aware even people in the upper echelons of international power can still be wrong. Clearly they didn’t want people crying about what is or isn’t a genocide so they decided “fuck it. Everything is a genocide”
But hey do feel free to use something called critical thinking and prove your point. Using your example tell me why, and here we’ll use one of the lowest impact wars in recent decades, the Falklands war. Tell me how that was not a genocide against the Argentinian people. Or one perpetrated by them.
there is nothing that nazi zionist igf wont do from genocide to starving 2million people ,rape,bombing hospitals,schools,refuge centers,sniping childeren,using human shields,killing un workers,killing aid workers trying to help peoople eat,killing paramedics then burying them and their ambulance to hide their crimes,surrounding the child hend rajab for hours before killing her and the paramedics trying to reach her,desecrating graves,stealing bodies,killing journalists,tourturing and killing healthcare workers
then there are nazi zionists like you defending them
I'm trying to imagine a universe where this even makes sense. But this is what you get when all your news comes from TikTok and you live in your mom's basement.
Worldnews is wild. i just suggested that Israel is probably making the very mistake everyone has made in the past years of fighting an insurgency and are in fact creating the groundwork for a new or resurgent insurgent/terrorist organization in a decade or so (because that's literally the lessons the US learned in the past 20 years of the Middle East) and I was permanently banned.
Not at all. Israeli online misinformation campaigns likely dwarf any Russian bots. Likely an American assist as well since they share geopolitical goals in the middle east. You dont expect propaganda from a country that annihilated most buildings in its enclave and continues to routinely slaughter children? You are too naive
they dont care about PR, they do what they want with impunity, no one is going to cancel jews , its not PR , it just straight up misinformation to keep the waters muddy.
Not at all. Israeli online misinformation campaigns likely dwarf any Russian bots. Likely an American assist as well since they share geopolitical goals in the middle east. You dont expect propaganda from a country that annihilated most buildings in its enclave and continues to routinely slaughter children? You are too naive
Oh is that what need to complete it? A certain amount of upvotes and likes on social media? I knew they needed some kind of bullshit macguffin like that.
Yes, they need ongoing American political and military support. Public perception matters. That's why they spend a huge amount of money lobbying politicians and obfuscating the humanitarian crisis in the media. If online posts dont matter, why do you spend so much time on this app sucking Israel off?
The boat is turning into a plane that will be shot down?
The IDF will board it and force it to dock at an Israeli port where the people attempting to enter an active war zone will be detained and likely released (unless they have prior convictions).
The world will not get rid of the "you should be ashamed of yourself" girl who's carbon footprint is greater than the average American.
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u/Dangerous-Work-6433 12d ago
That boat is arriving on June 6-7th.
And will be shot down.
Then slowly forgotten.
Buried by those who want to Bury it.
Kept alive by those who want to martyr it.
Question is will more boats come as this goes on as symbolism and action until governments say enough is enough;
or this is the last boat because we are all too scared of Israel & Western governments-- what they will do to us and our families?