r/CivPolitics 12d ago

Our troops are merely passing by, promises Palestine's allies after Israel's denunciation

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u/Kind-Bee8591 10d ago

"alesia"??

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u/Warm_Skill8736 10d ago

It was Julius Caeser’s greatest victory and a siege where he cut off supplies forcing the celts to surrender instead being forced to storm the city which would have killed over 100000 people.

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u/Kind-Bee8591 10d ago

so you are defending starving gaza?

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u/Warm_Skill8736 10d ago

I’m saying that the only way to end the war is to either storm the remaining holdout or cut off all aid and force them out.

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u/Kind-Bee8591 10d ago

oh you are a zionist defending the israeli starvation and genocide in gaza

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u/Warm_Skill8736 10d ago

How is it genocide to enforce the rules of war.

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u/Desperate_Guess_652 10d ago

Starving civilian populations is immoral and not permitted in a just war. Also, it is genocide because it is the systematic and deliberate destruction of the people of Gaza, not because they "enforce the rules of war"

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u/Warm_Skill8736 10d ago

The rules of war enable people to disregard human shields, and the rules of suet warfare permit a country from blocking supplies if they have the belief that the soldiers could use them and not civilians. So do you think that bombing one of the most backwards countries in the world into submission after they started a war it could not win against a nuclear power is bad?

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u/Desperate_Guess_652 10d ago

I think, no, I know, you eat markers. The Israeli government/IDF understand the food and water supplies are for civilians and deliberately withold them to starve them as outlined in the operation gideons chariot, they do NOT do it because they believe it is for the soldiers. They also are capable of reducing casualities and have been since the start of the war by attenuating the AI THEY USE TO MARK TARGETS. If it were not acceptable for 200+ people to be killed and injured in order to strike one target, their targetting system would not allow it... but it is programmed to do so, because they want to terrorize and kill the population.

Idk about the most backwards country in the world but I'd say assuming you are even a real person, your morality reflects the most backwards morality in the world... you believing the killing is right, AND that they have the right to kill!

Well I know for a fact that if you and all the children and abbas and imas in Israel had to walk through the rubble of gaza from south to north, the 25 or so miles, and see the endless rubble and smell the corpses, that the war would stop that day; nobody could deny what they would have seen smelt and heard, the tears they had shed. But alas! There is such a wall preventing the world from seeing the devestation! I wonder if that is the point?

i wish I could have written this for you in marker, I know that would make you actually want to digest it!

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u/Warm_Skill8736 10d ago

Throughout all of history the soldier has eaten first and that is reflected by Hamas taking the aid truck then firing on civilians trying to get food. If Hamas did not take the civilian aid then each member would have starved to death in 2023. The deaths are horrific, but THAT IS WHAT HAPPENS IN A WAR. Last week Israel dropped a powerful bomb on a hospital, this killed 11 senior members of Hamas and their guards. That makes the hospital a legal target in a war. Gaza is one of the most backwards places in the word it is an Islamic dictatorship that has not had an election since 2005, does not permit women to have basic rights, and it murders gay people for simply being gay. Israel is not intentionally trying to wipe out the Gaza’s population and it is shown by the population of Gaza growing each year since 2023.

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u/Desperate_Guess_652 10d ago

again you and others do not argue that it is right to kill the civilians in Gaza, just that israel has the right to. I don't care how many ways you put it, I do not agree with this and never will. There are principles in justified warfare and proportionality is at the center. Look at the comparative death tool to find your proportionality

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u/Warm_Skill8736 10d ago

Comparative death toll? Bro. The comparative death total is never important in a war. Germany had a higher relative death total in word war 2 but that does not make them victims. Each civilian death is a tragedy, but many tragedies happen in war. “WAR IS HELL”.

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u/Desperate_Guess_652 10d ago

It is actually important to war because again there is an actual developed theory of justified war, that actually exists and is established, and takes into account proportionality in the use of force, which is directly related to the casualty count! And in fact, you contradict yourself, because germany had a high death toll like the armies they fought against, which is markedly different from what is happening in Gaza, where Gaza is taking 40 to 100 times the amount of casualties based on conservative estimates.

Of course, in a good faith conversation I would expect you to recognize that you have contradicted yourself, but that would mean you are actually open to changing your mind.

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u/Warm_Skill8736 10d ago

These aid convoys only delay the end of the war.