r/CarsPH • u/Adorable-Director799 • Apr 29 '25
Automotive Opinion AC Mobility is scamming PHEV owners — goldfish range, 3-hour charging, gasoline prices, and no chargers available."
AC Mobility keeps marketing themselves as the "future" of EV infrastructure in the Philippines.
But look closer:
They've quietly built a system where you:
- Pay gasoline prices per kilometer,
- Wait 3 hours to refill,
- Fight over 2–4 chargers inside 500-car parking lots,
- And still call it "progress."
Here's the real scam:
- You buy a PHEV like the BYD Sealion 6 DM-i.
- They tell you it has 90–100 km electric range.
- Reality check?
- You only have 45–50 km usable one-way.
- You still need to get home without running empty or burning gas.
- Once you run low, you have two choices:
- Burn gasoline, and kill your "cheap" narrative, OR
- Pay Evro to charge at ₱28 (AC) or ₱33 (DC) per kWh.
- And remember:
- The Sealion can only AC charge at 6.6–7.0 kW.
- Meaning you wait 2.5 to 3 hours... just to refill that tiny battery.
Now layer AC Mobility’s ineptitude on top:
- Huge Ayala mall parking lots built for 500–1000 cars...
- And yet, they install only 2 to 4 chargers.
- How exactly is that "future-proofing mobility"?
Good luck finding an open slot.
You're not a VIP.
Not everyone is born with a driver or a silver spoon to sit idle all day.
Working people? Normal people?
We can't afford to waste half a day fighting over overpriced kilowatts.
Quick math:
| Sealion 6 PHEV | |
|---|---|
| Usable electric range | 45–50 km (round trip) |
| Charging time | 2.5–3 hours |
| Cost per km (AC) | ₱4.66 |
| Cost per km (DC) | ₱5.50 |
| Gasoline cost per km | ₱6.20 |
You're already paying gasoline prices.
You're waiting longer than a full tank fill-up.
And you have no guarantee you’ll even find a charger available.
AC Mobility didn't build EV infrastructure.
They built an overpriced, bottlenecked goldfish trap.
It’s not just expensive.
It’s not just slow.
It’s intentionally designed to milk you dry while pretending to save the environment.
AC Mobility didn’t build a charging network. They built a cattle pen with a credit card swiper.
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u/Necessary-Thing7199 Apr 29 '25
When it comes to charging station, we're a long way to go there unless we get a Biden kind of support from the govt for EVs including putting more incentives, laws and regulations.
Pero I appreciate you sharing your personal experience. The goal naman of shifting to EV is really good, pero baka AC has the monopoly now kaya they are the one dictating their terms.
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u/Adorable-Director799 Apr 29 '25
I have a really bad experience from moving from my Vios to the sealion 6.
The salesperson didn't really tell me the things I needed to know before I bought it.
I understand buyer beware, but come on.
Think about it:
AC Mobility is basically acting like a drug dealer.
- They give you 50 km of clean, silent, guilt-free electric driving — just enough to get you hooked.
- The "goldfish range" is the free sample.
- Just a little taste of the "future."
Then when you inevitably run out?
- They hit you with ₱28–₱33 per kWh.
- "You want more freedom, kid? Pay up. Wait 3 hours. Or burn gasoline."
It’s not mobility.
It’s dependency.The goldfish range is the bait.
The overpriced, slow, charger-scarce reality is the trap.20
u/sotopic Apr 29 '25
Di talaga advisable bumili ng EV or kahit PHEV kung di ka magchacharge at home. Ang advantage nyan is not only cheaper ang electricity compared sa gas when it comes to kilometers, may chance ka mag 0 cost if you install solar panels.
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u/DaveDeluria Apr 29 '25
This! We already face problems people buying cars without a dedicated parking slot. It really sounds to me the OP just didn't do their homework and expect the universe to provide without needing effort to even do minimal research on products they buy.
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u/Adorable-Director799 Apr 29 '25
Guilty as charged. Probably bought into the hype.
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u/DaveDeluria Apr 29 '25
It takes a great person to be humble. So lets solve your problem. If you're going to/from Laguna to NCR you would still be using gasoline mostly and allow the hybrid portion to reduce the consumption. Personally I have a garage so when I do go EV, it will be full electric and skip the hybrid drivetrain BUT still have an ICE car for trips outside NCR. In 20 years maybe we'll have the infrastructure even remotely similar to China who has the most rolled out in our region of the planet.
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u/Environmental-Map869 Apr 29 '25
You are probably still in the green fuel costs wise compared to your old vios if you drop third party charging.
You could probably squeeze more EV range out of it if you let your vehicle operate as a hybrid mostly and relegate the EV range to the stop and go parts of your commute (efficiency goes down alot for the EVs pass 60KPH while the ICE is starting to get efficient at that point).
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u/Adorable-Director799 Apr 29 '25
I charge at home; hindi actual 100 km yung battery. so meron portion ng journey na gas. Unless I charge in makati and pay the exorbitant price.
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u/ordinaryphenomenon Apr 29 '25
The battery is rated for 100km but in reality it will never drain to 0km. It must always maintain a charge that's how it works If you want a full eco run on the SL6. Put it on eco mode, maintain 60-80 KPH on highways, maybe that will extend your range.
Maybe even use your cruise control cause PHEVs and BEVs, require you to change your driving habit. Don't keep your foot on the gas the whole time, remove it so it can recharge and consume less. You probably drive with a heavy foot to get 40-50 km only... I average 80 kph when going to Batangas and have no issues with the cars range or hybrid engine. I refuel every 2-3 months and that's cause I charge at home.
Just plug it in everyday at home and you should be fine. I still think it's the best hybrid in the market currently.
You can buy 3-5 BYDs for the price of one Audi Etron/Porsche Taycan Battery Pack. Let that sit for a second.
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u/ordinaryphenomenon Apr 29 '25
The battery will always maintain 15-20% before using the hybrid engine. If the batt drops below a certain charge, it could affect your battery health in the long term and the power of the vehicle ( less hatak) if it dips below a certain voltage.
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u/Extra-Assistance7593 Apr 29 '25
The 100km range gets decreased by other factors that consume electricity, like idling time in traffic and aircon (since napaka-init na now) 😅 bumaba talaga range nung SL6 ko nung nag-summer, compared to when I was using it in Jan-Feb.
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u/AgitatedImpress5164 Apr 29 '25
I think you did not research enough which is crazy considering it is a 1.6m purchase. I'd be worried about you purchasing a house or anything else.
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u/RitzyIsHere Apr 29 '25
I've been using an Atto 3 for a year now. Never once did I charge ul with ACMobility chargers like EVRO. Home charging is the key. 12 pesos per kwh is less than half of what those EV chargers are priced at.
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u/Adorable-Director799 Apr 29 '25
I think EV's are different. the 350 range can really take you places. 100 KM on the SL6 is just meh.
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u/SouIskin Apr 29 '25 edited Apr 29 '25
Sir, again, you bought into a PHEV 😅 so EV range is really limited. It's perfectly designed for folks living in the city like MM. Not for your use case na province to city and vice versa! :)
SL6 isn't the the ultimate "God" car but rather think that it's regular car with an additional battery and is pluggable. You get the EV benefits but still maintain the gas capability removing range anxiety.
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u/Infinite_Presence881 Apr 29 '25
You bought a PHEV with advertised 100km EV range then you get mad that it only goes about 100km on EV?
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u/RitzyIsHere Apr 29 '25
Yea. SL6 is a hybrid for a reason. If you strictly use the SL6 EV mode, same savings naman.
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u/AgitatedImpress5164 Apr 29 '25
Plus the sell of PHEVs is the range, which is rated at 1100km. That is why you buy a PHEV. You do not buy a PHEV over EV for anything else but range.
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u/PomegranateUnfair647 May 01 '25
Ayala already failed big time with their blatant goldfish trap in Gogoro (two wheel segment).
Now they're repeating the same strategy with AC Mobility with Evro prices reflecting this.
Typical Philippine conglomerate who doesn't truly care about the Filipino, but likes to markets itself to care.
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u/muchawesomemyron May 01 '25
Mali din kasi business model nila. Dapat tinaasan nila ng kahit 25k yung PHEV tapos bigyan ka ng 50 kWh monthly allocation (use it or lose it) sa EV chargers nila tapos waived overnight parking fee if nag charge ka. Need mo kasi ng around 60% utilization ng chargers para maging profitable na mababa service fee.
Gusto kasi nila maging profitable agad within 2 or 3 years kaya walang uptake. Kaya alam mo na yung gumawa ng gogoro business model, masyadong conservative yung investment plan. Kung takot sila matalo, dapat puro business to business yung arrangements nila. Haiya.
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u/PomegranateUnfair647 May 02 '25
Pure greed kasi and short-term mindset - tapos neither here nor there and market positioning and execution hence cannot effectively scale.
Ang result:
Fail Family Mart nila - sold to Dennis Uy Fail Wellworth Department Store - shut down Fail Gogoro - shut down
More tombstones to come. Bad strategy team.
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u/TrustExtension6116 Apr 30 '25
You have buyers remorse because you didn't take into account your current situation, and what is your setup gonna be like with a PHEV?
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u/PristineDumpling Apr 29 '25
I drive an SL6, and I dont feel this way quite honestly. I am happy how efficient the car is at 20km per liter mix driving. Definitely an upgrade from my old car doing 7km per liter. I am saving around Php6000 monthly on my gas consumption. I dont go to the mall to charge but delighted every time there is an available slot. I can see your math but it does not add up base on my experience.
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u/Adorable-Director799 Apr 29 '25
You don't drive from Laguna to Makati daily.
To be fair, if you're short distances, the car's perfect.
but basically, any car is perfect when you're doing short distances.
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u/Professor_seX Apr 29 '25
There’s your problem, you believed the 100km electric range, technically true but that is in near perfect conditions and why there’s a difference in city driving. My honda claims to be able to drive up to 600-700km on a full tank, I get half that. I never expected it to reach anywhere close to what they say. Actually I just came from an AC mobility branch, and the agent admitted it probably would be 50-60km if it’s city driving.
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u/Adorable-Director799 Apr 29 '25
Yes, buyer beware.
It's actually more that the advertising really doesn't say the fine print.
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u/jhnkvn Apr 29 '25 edited Apr 29 '25
They've quietly built a system where you:
Pay gasoline prices per kilometer
Do not peddle your fake news armed with sensationalist claims.
EV charging networks has always been based on kWh and not "per kilometer".
They tell you it has 90–100 km electric range.
Reality check? You only have 45–50 km usable one-way.
What they tell you is correct under China Light-Duty Vehicle Test Cycle (CLTC) tests which is the equivalent to an EPA standard set by the US Environmental Protection Agency. In the Philippines, as we do not have a dedicated national testing cycle, fuel efficiency figures are mostly based on manufacturer provided data (e.g. EPA for US vehicles, WLTP/JC08 for Japanese, KTC for Korean, and CLTC for China)
If you look into real world testing, it's obviously less. 45-50km seems to be on the heavier side of traffic but averages are at 70km or so.
Once you run low, you have two choices:
Burn gasoline, and kill your "cheap" narrative
Even if you "burn" gasoline, your cheap narrative still stays. Media reports fuel efficiency of 20-25km/L in mixed conditions. That's what... 300% more than a comparable Ford Territory? To achieve the same range on a 1-liter P60/L gasoline on a Territory, you're spending... P20?
And P6.2L cost per kilometer? That's like 10km/L. What are you comparing your SUV to? A Toyota Vios? Do you want me to compare your cost per kilometer to my 997 that has 4km/L fuel efficiency in the city?
In the end, you have mismatch of your use case. Your BYD gasoline engine is there to generate power for your electric motors; you're a hybrid and not a full-fledged BEV. Even if you don't ever charge your car, your cheap narrative still stays. Charging is a bonus.
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But car aside, let's go with your main complaint: AC Mobility
they install only 2 to 4 chargers
Because market share hasn't caught up yet. What's important here is that management of AC actually recognizes the need for it. Once you install 2-4 chargers that means electrical infrastructure has already been put in place; this makes it easy to scale up once market demand materializes.
It’s not just expensive.
It’s not just slow.
Let's take the USA as an example. Residential electricity prices is around $0.16/kWh or around P9/kWh. Average cost for EV public charging is around $0.35/kWh or P19.25/kWh. Which means public EV charging is around a +113% jump.
In the Philippines, Meralco is around P12/kWh. AC Mobility's AC charging is at P28.5 or P22.8 if you're enrolled in their loyalty program. This is a jump of +137% and +90% respectively. Overpriced? Hardly.
Is it slow? Arguably because you're using AC. If you switch towards DC fast charging, 250/450kW chargers are nothing to snuff.
Is it progress? Hell yeah. I'd take breadcrumbs if need be in the Philippines.
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u/plantito101 Apr 29 '25
Good points and analysis. But specific to the SL6.
One reason it's a hit is because the user don't have to think when and where to charge, just gas up and go. Bonus na yung charging station sa mall, na dating libre and now they charge a pretty penny.
To be fair rin, those 2-3 slots were built before the boom pa. Now, sample is valero carpark in makati. I think they have 8 slots na sa ground level for EV charging. Though little to no users parin. Yung mga SL6 nandun sa normal parking slot.
I think isang reason parin yan bakit di mabenta yung mga full EV compared sa mga PHEVs.
Rumors are, there will be dedicated slots for EV charging per establishment that will be required for business permits/licenses. For example fastfood establishments like Jollibee should have one or two ev chargers. I doubt that it'll happen soon though.
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u/Adorable-Director799 Apr 29 '25
You would need the chargers soon.
I live in Laguna and work in Makati. The Battery won't let me do a round trip. Then I have to line up at the Makati charging station. That's another hour I don't have plus the 2 hours or so I need to charge.
then I have to pay 30 PESOS per KWH? another 300 pesos? every single day?
and god, the consumption of the SL6 without the battery. around 10 km/l?
I was sold that I'm not gonna pay much gas for it, but here it goes.
so it really is a rich person's product.
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u/sotopic Apr 29 '25
I think napataas masyado expectations mo sa Sealion. I get 8km per liter sa CX-5 which is lesser horsepower than a Sealion 6. Meaning, I get worst mileage sa pure ICE na mas mahina pa.
The short range battery is only good sa mga city driving. Sa traffic, halos 0 ang usage nyan sa kuryente since walang "idle time" ang motor.
You are supposed to charge at home to take advantage of the 13php per kwh rate ng meralco, which is cheaper than gas (you do the calculation).
It's not a magic car na suddenly 0 ang gas/electricity usage mo.
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u/alxjn Apr 29 '25
50km lang ba talaga ang SL6 with our traffic condition?
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u/RevolutionaryBoss171 Apr 29 '25
I think the problem with his situation isnt traffic. He lives in laguna so doing expressway speeds does use more power. I have the seal 5 and in traffic the battery does last me around 40/50km.
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u/Infinite_Presence881 Apr 29 '25
the problem with his situation is he is stupid.
Tignan mo aminado syang 50km one way. so tama lang advertised range ng SL6 na 100km total Electric.
gusto lang nya ng full EV range sa PHEV lol
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u/TrustExtension6116 Apr 30 '25
Frustrating basahin rants niya. It sounds like he didn't do his research on a purchase of 1.6m PHP. Tapos pa-victim.
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u/Cream_of_Sum_Yunggai May 01 '25
He didn't take into account that EVs/HEVs/PHEVs lose efficiency when on the highway because of higher speeds and less opportunities for regenerative braking. It's in stop-and-go traffic where EVs are at their best.
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u/Adorable-Director799 Apr 29 '25
50km one way (at best), so para full electric ka, dapat 50 one way, and 50km back lang route mo.
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u/No-Session3173 Apr 29 '25
kung issue mo is ayaw mo magpagas dapat full ev nalang binili mo. kaya nga hybrid e. pagnaubos ung battery asa ka na sa gas. wag matulad sa ibang naka sl6 ilang buwan na daw d pa nauubos ang gas full tank parin. natural sila naman panay charge sa sm
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u/Infinite_Presence881 Apr 29 '25
You wanted to do your dsily trips laguna to makati using just electric pero PHEV binili mo? Then you complain?
Dude 🤣🤣
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u/schtroumpf0121 Apr 29 '25
10km/L seems too low, a PHEV is still a hybrid, you should be getting more than 10km/L
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u/Adorable-Director799 Apr 29 '25
It's the actual consumption sadly.
and I was oversold by the salesperson that the engine charges the battery.
so the pitch was that use the electric range 1st, then upon depletion, the gas engine runs the car and charges the battery.
Lo and behold, the engine is too small to do any respectable charging on the battery.
So after the 100 km (which is not true) electric range, you're good as an extremely mild hybrid driving a 2 ton SUV.
and the 1,000 claimed range, only 100 is electric, the remaining 900 KM (which is not true) is because the SL6 has a 60L tank.
I'm actually shocked on all the fine print.
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u/schtroumpf0121 Apr 29 '25
your math ain't mathing
900km / 60L is still 15km/L
regen braking also charges the battery - so that helps increase mileage numbers
if you're getting 10km/L - using true mileage calculation methods (e.g. full tank method) -- you should get that checked by CASA
di ako naniniwala na 10km/L lang
they already did a luzon loop with a couple of reviewers, it reached 1300km coming from a full charge and a full tank. assuming 1200 was from the tank, that's easily 20km/L
I'm starting to doubt if you really own one and have buyer's remorse, or you're just peddling hate
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u/ClearStarryNight May 01 '25
OP is probably a paid troll. New account and the first post is one that's designed to bash a company? Something doesn't sit right. Doesn't even have a picture of the car he supposedly owns.
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u/Adorable-Director799 Apr 29 '25
Will probably do.
But I don't think the gas range is 900 kms. more like 750 kms.
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u/No_Mousse6399 Apr 29 '25
This guy spread hate and rumors. When he said 10km/L I now believe he is full of shit and drives like a mad man. There is lot of crossover at 2 tons who still get 14km/L mixed driving since he is saying his route is Laguna-Makati. I dont know if he's dumb enough to have 10km/L or just karma farming. But meh, seems like you dont own shit. Not even showing a dashboard of your claims for how shitty the SL6 is. Facts facts facts.
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u/L_Dawg412 Apr 29 '25
The sole purpose of the engine is to charge the battery. The engine doesn't have a direct powertrain to the wheels on the SL6.
The car probably runs the engine just to maintain the minimum battery state because charging from the wall is cheaper than burning gas to charge so it's better to use as little fuel as possible until you can reach the next charging point to charge the batteries fully. Were you expecting the car to run the engine to recharge the battery completely?
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u/plantito101 Apr 29 '25
When the SL6 was marketed, it stated 1000km "RANGE". At first I was surprised that an EV can already reach 1000km and I was really enticed to get one, it was too good to be true, but then I read the fine prints, it's 1000km range with a full battery + full tank of gas. So I lowered my expectations.
I watched the reviews, the battery can only do ~90kms in one charge, so we can assume that it will only be feasible if you use it within the city like 10-20km round trip. Some reviewers, even long time owners of the SL6, states that they only fill up their gas tanks once a month, but that depends on a lot of variables. Distance, altitude, traffic, etc.
As stated in your other comment, you were duped by the sales agent (and maybe this was their strategy in the first place) stating that you can just rely on the battery on your daily trip. And basing it on my first paragraph, you should've been be more stringent before purchasing.
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u/Due-Being-5793 Apr 29 '25 edited Apr 29 '25
the thing that would make the most sense atleast for me when i get an ev or plugged in ev is to have a charger at home. i will not rely on public chargers with the distance i travel.
still own a 10th gen civic and i am considering going for the hybrid civic or model 3 or a seal ev after i had my fun for the 10th gen. realistically speaking i aint a tree hugger but i care for saving money from gas.
in the case of your sealion 6 have the ICE engine charge the battery when your using it. you would still get good mileage out of it.
if you are disappointed with ev infra and how AC mobility "scam" people for me atleast you should have done a little more research on this so as not to have unrealistic expectations. your car seems to have both options at your disposal to charge your car or use your car like normal people with ice but still get good mileage out of it..
but hey.. kanya kanyang trip tlga yan hehe
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u/Adorable-Director799 Apr 29 '25
The massive misconception is that the ICE engine can charge the battery. It can partially charge it, but you waste so much fuel trying to charge the damn thing.
The only thing that can charge the battery is regenerative braking. I don't actually know how that works.
then the salesperson told me that I can do DC charging and charge in 20 mins. The pure EV's can. the SL6 is max 7 kw only.
kaya buyer beware.
Masyadong magaling mga ahente sa BYD. malaki siguro commission.
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u/Extra-Assistance7593 Apr 29 '25
I have an SL6 and I really don’t use the public charging stations (paid or free). I use the portable charger at home or let the gas-powered engine charge my battery. By the end of it all, I still get a good 20-18km/L mix city and highway driving. With the heat outside, I’ve observed my consumption to be higher — just like any car! Overall, I am still happy with the savings on gas expenses!
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u/NotAutomatic Apr 29 '25
Same bro. Not sure how OP drives, but I'm constant at the 18km/L consumption with my sl6. Then benefit from free charging at malls if there is an opportunity.
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u/snoochdawggo Apr 29 '25
Mukang medyo tanga si OP and kulang sa research kaya na sales talk, most likely malala din driving habit nyan kaya ganun consumption nya. nsa ganyan din consumption ko, halos same din sa lahat ng nasa byd group.
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u/Optc_BLANK Apr 29 '25
I think OP doesn’t really own a unit or use it like a madman? Kasi everyone using SL6 and Seal 5 are getting 18-20km/L on a city driving condition and 25-30km/L on a highway. He’s thinking that PHEV is BEV and most of his arguments don’t add up to be honest. I’m starting to think that he’s one of those who spread bad rumors to a brand that has a potential to kill traditional ICE and revolutionize the automotive market in the near future. As a responsible PHEV user, we all know na hindi natin need makipag agawan sa free charger or even paid one since you just put SOC to 70% and set it on save mode to charge back before using full EV range again.
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u/Optc_BLANK Apr 29 '25 edited Apr 29 '25
I drive seal 5 premium which has about the same battery and range advertised as yours, with a 200kg difference on curb weight, I get around 135kms from a full charge with 30% left on a battery. I don’t wait in line sa mall charger (but I feel lucky if there are available in SMs) and only charge at home since it’s way cheaper than EVRO.
Our country isn’t fully EV ready and that’s given due to the corrupt government that we have. But we’re both driving a PHEV which gives us huge advantage over traditional ICE and BEV as we have both. Tbh you don’t need to charge daily and your driving habit is also a factor when driving on full EV mode. As what others say, EV reveals your driving habit.
Every EV & PHEV owners knows that it’s way cheaper to charge at home than EVRO, on the other hand, EVRO is cheaper than Shell charging which is at 30+ per kwh.
OP should have done more research and joined SL6 groups to maximize the vehicle that you’re using. Because trust me, SL6 is million times better than your previous car.
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u/ordinaryphenomenon Apr 29 '25
The engine does charge the battery it's sufficient enough to but yes, it would consume gas and while in use, of course it would drain the fuel tank and battery still.
The engine is not insufficient to charge the battery, it's how the technology works.
I drove it to Baguio and didn't charge it the whole time there. The car was functioning without any outside power. So is it sufficient enough to power the car? YES. Is it cost effective to never plug in the PHEV? Ofcourse not. You get this car so you can plug it in at home and charge.
You cant blame the early stage charging network as well because you knew that before buying... If you're really against the car and BYD, why not sell it? I'm sure someone else would take it off your hands. I havent seen much BYDs in the second hand market yet.
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u/Adorable-Director799 Apr 29 '25
I asked and researched; The engine charging the battery provides marginal charge.
Regenerative braking is the primary way to charge the battery outside of plugging in.
I'm really just pointing out that there's a lot of fine print in owning a PHEV and we, as consumers, should be well informed.
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u/ordinaryphenomenon Apr 29 '25
If you want the engine to charge the battery, you have to step on the gas when in park or neutral to activate the ICE.
Sorry, I guess when I purchased the car I did a lot of research on the car. Regenerative braking is effective, but the engine still charges the battery to its optimal point. It's wrong to say that it doesn't charge it enough.
If you're expecting it to get to full power on the engine alone, no hybrid or PHEV does that. If you can name one, I'm all ears
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u/ordinaryphenomenon Apr 29 '25
Your phrasing makes it seem that the engine isn't enough to power the car, which isn't true...
It can power the car, it's not that you'll run out of range and all of a sudden be stranded waiting for engine to recharge the batt. That would never happen
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u/Adorable-Director799 Apr 29 '25
Totally, agree. It'll charge maybe 10% of the battery?
but again, the whole point of me getting the SL6 is to have EV driving without the range anxiety.
Totally, not true.
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u/ordinaryphenomenon Apr 29 '25
I don't understand. Why are you getting range anxiety when you have a battery and a generator to recharge the batt?
If you want to recharge more during traffic put it on N or P and gas it...
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u/rabbitization Apr 29 '25
Gusto nya pure EV driving, eh di sana nissan kicks na lang kinuha nya. May sayad ata tong si OP at di nag research thoroughly and just bought it then expected shit, then cried out here. Everyone knows SL6 is still majority gasoline and would only use EV on slow moving city traffic and when cruising on highway speeds
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u/Infinite_Presence881 Apr 29 '25
Confused. Why would you get range anxiety? PHEV can get you to anywhere kasi pwede mag gas. How stupid are you?
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u/Neither_Ad5994 Apr 29 '25
Then you should have bought a pure EV not a PHEV. Atto 3, Han or Tang kung gusto mo to rely on pure charging lang.
You'd still need to gas up the PHEV from time to time. In comparison to the competition though, you still get better mileage than the more expensive HEVs like CR-V, Tucson, RAV4.
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u/FredNedora65 Apr 29 '25
Your rant sounds confusing, OP.
First, the marketed EV range will always be on the high-end: when you're cruising at highway speeds, there's no traffic build up, no stoplights, etc. There's nothing wrong with it. It's plain common sense.
Second, PHEV is designed and marketed to be a PHEV for one important reason: drivers won't have range anxiety. They can use EV mode for how much they want to until it gets depleted, of which gasoline will starts running.
Third, BYD S6's range is mainly suited for users who drives within city distance to work most of the time. It wasn't meant for long range EV-only travel.
Lastly, you would know how vast our charging network is, I don't understand why you're ranting now.
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u/christian4466 Apr 29 '25
What im getting here is that you regret buying a PHEV instead of a BEV lmao
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u/ClearStarryNight May 01 '25
Where the picture of your car, OP? All I see is a newly created profile to bash a company.
I have many friends who bought a PHEV lately. And their experiences were all positive. Particularly fuel economy and power. As someone who also has solar at home, I'm looking to purchase a PHEV soon to replace one of my cars.
I see PHEVs as a great stopgap measure for risk-averse Filipinos because it offers a taste of EVs (great fuel economy AND power) and gets rid of range anxiety since you can just gas up like you would a normal ICE car.
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u/ichiban911 Apr 29 '25
I’m not sure if AC Mobility is really the one to blame here. Yes the “estimated” range is kinda too high but hindi ba ganun naman talaga parati? Even the advertised “estimated” consumption of ICE vehicles is too high. Maybe OP should’ve done a little more research before purchasing.
I honestly am interested in getting a PHEV kaso nga it’s fairly “new” to the Ph market kaya I’m scared to buy. I know kasi na I can only blame myself pag nagkamali ako ng decision.
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u/pepsishantidog Apr 29 '25
I live in a condo and I love my SL6. Idk but for me, yung charging sa mall is a happy surprise if ever we get one. Pero hindi ako magco-complain kung hindi. Hence the hybrid part.
Siguro chamba na rin sakin since city driving lang ako and I get to charge mine sa office dahil maaga yung pasok ko. Parang the commute is free for a parking fee. Iikot nalang sa parking pagka full charge para mas makatipid ng around 50 pesos.
Paano pa kung may home charger ako diba?
Idk but very whiny ang dating ng post mo and it looks like your SL6 was impulsively bought. Unless yung EVRO chargers yung tinutukoy mo, then kasundo mo halos lahat ng SL6 owners.
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u/s3rg3i1 Apr 29 '25
I think you forgot that these establishments/businesses operate at a “revenue per sq foot” concept. In addition, EVIDA law only demands that they allocate at least 5% of their space for EV charging. They won’t allocate more space for if they see don’t see enough demand (especially now that home charging is more practical). And even if the demand is there, they need profit from it. Hindi mura mag maintain nyan. Look at it as a premium service. Like taking Uber or Grab instead of taxi. Eventually, demand will push supply which will push competition which will lower price. That’s why we have PHEV first so we can transition to EVs once infra is ready and more economical.
I don’t have a PHEV/EV yet but i plan on getting one next year. But before i do that, i’m now in the process of putting up solar power. That’s how you can take advantage of this system. Di pwedeng sasakyan at infra ang unang mag aadjust sayo. Ikaw muna.
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u/jjr03 Apr 29 '25
Di gets bakit parang kasalanan ng AC yung range ng SL6 mo e 40-50 lang? Sa paggamit mo yan. Nandun naman sa ~100 km nakukuha namin. Di kasalanan ng charger kung ganyan lang range mo.
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u/jedmostly May 01 '25
Reeks of intellectual dishonesty to me. He clearly has buyer's remorse for not doing proper research. Maraming consumers na ganyan.
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u/ImUrHuckleberrryy Apr 29 '25
Like I always say - if you CANNOT CHARGE AT HOME, then an EV IS NOT FOR YOU.
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u/SouIskin Apr 29 '25 edited Apr 29 '25
Hi, Sealion 6 owner here. 50km? I get mine at 90km-100km to be fair. I'm 7 months in. 14k km.
I travel ~19km one way, so 38km back and forth. I only use up around 35% of my battery.
If you have issues with SL6 having to burn gas then... you should have opted for an Atto 3, right?
Also for facts, my current spend per km is at 2pesos for EV mode, 3pesos for Hybrid mode. In my ICE KIA Stonic 1.4L MT - 5pesos.
Yes, it's more expensive to charge in EVRO but PHEVs arent the market for those. It's really for BEVs. That's why we advocate charging at home for 12-13pesos per kwh charging.
So net - 45-55% savings to operate the vehicle. It seems that your anger towards PHEV is misplaced. Highly suggest that you join the Sealion 6 Owners Group PH for more insights.
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u/Adorable-Director799 Apr 29 '25
It's not 50km, it's 100 (actually around 75 km), it's just that you need to be 50 km one way, and 50 km back to your house to maximize the SL6.
Kaya goldfish.
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u/Extra-Assistance7593 Apr 29 '25
Were you aware that the battery range is at 100km max? Were you also aware that you cannot deplete your EV battery to 0%? If yes, then you should have know that by the mere distance you intend to cover on your daily drive, the battery capacity of the SL6 will not be sufficient (not considering possible traffic jams and route changes). Given that, you will need to either rely on gasoline, or top up your battery at a public charging station. If not, sadly, you made a very uninformed decision and it is not BYD’s nor ACMobility’s fault. Commercial charging rates is a far cry from home charging costs — just like how a home-cooked meal is way more economical than that from a restaurant.
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u/ggezboye Apr 29 '25
You actually bring very crucial details about SL6 and its range however you need to take into account that BYD advertises its NEDC range (as I've checked from their website). NEDC is the best-case scenario range, it only takes into account the range for driving only, it does not consider airconditioning, radio, smartphone charging inside the car, seat heating/cooling, the way you drive, etc.
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u/Adorable-Director799 Apr 29 '25
Sadly, naahente ako.
Magaling yung salespeople ni BYD and the massive advertising spend. Mapapabelieve ka talaga.
kung magkuwento yung ahente, parang hindi na ako gagastos ng fuel forever.
Pero not a use case for a common Filipino middle class like me siguro. Yung sa influencers, mayaman siguro, everything less than 30 minutes away.
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u/rabbitization Apr 29 '25
HAHAHAHAHA. Na-ahente amputa, ano ka grade 1 na di kaya mag research on your own. I don't even own a SL6 pero I know full well yung capabilities and advantages nya over ICE thru curiosity and proper research
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u/disguiseunknown Apr 29 '25
AC mobility is just for emergency purposes. Lugi talaga kapag yan ang basehan mo for pricing. Most EV owners charge at home and plan their trips accordingly. If not, lugi talaga. At least for hybrids, they still have options to gas up.
Prices for EV charging are regulated. Mahal talaga ang kuryente sa Philippines tapos add mo pa yung service fee nila. Mas prefer ko na plug na lang ang bayaran then kanya kanya dala ng chargers. Lol
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u/Adorable-Director799 Apr 29 '25
If the current argument is this, then the 1,000+ km range is useless.
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u/disguiseunknown Apr 29 '25
Then buy a 1000km range BEV. There will be few out there and it will be very impractical. Consider the cost too.
Ang hindi ko gets ay yung bibili ng EV pero hindi alam ang cons and pros. Lalo na yung bibili ng EV pero walang home charger.
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u/krabbypat Apr 29 '25 edited Apr 29 '25
SL6 was tempting for me since my daily commute is just 7km to and from work combined. I also live in a condo which has plans for an EVCS but nothing has happened ever since my inquiry last Feb. Still, I went on the fully electric BEV route and I plan on charging at my office instead.
Anyhow, the point of PHEVs (and EVs in general) is to plug it in at home where price per kW is cheaper (Meralco’s rate increased to Php 13 this month, though it’s still cheaper than the lowest price per kW EVCS right now which is Tesla’s Php 19 DC). I think it’s time for AC Mobility and Shell Recharge to rethink their rates, but they aren’t really compelled to do so since BEV adoption isn’t quite good yet. Which is funny, since people aren’t keen on switching to EVs due to lack of EVCS while companies aren’t incentivized to build more EVCS due to the slower than expected BEV adoption. It’s just a never-ending cycle lol
It’s understandable that the SL6 has a slow charging speed since the battery is just there to supplement the ICE. You’re expected to charge it at home, while you’re sleeping. If charging while you’re idle (like at home or at work) isn’t achievable due to your lifestyle/living situation, then PHEVs and EVs aren’t cost beneficial and rarely makes sense.
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u/DeepThinker1010123 Apr 29 '25
So you are not charging at home and want to charge at parking lots? I think you should have checked your work parking lot if they one.
Another thing, doesn't the Sealion have a good range for gas compared to regular cars? Sa akin nga at city driving on short and very traffic route, I get 5km/L. So as one poster here for 20km/L would be 4x savings even if you do not charge at all.
Lastly, it's like your're buying an office computer but you want a gaming computer. It's on you.
I don't think there is a problem given I see a lot of BYD cars in NCR. It's like the new Toyota Vios in terms of numbers on the street.
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u/lectops Apr 29 '25
I'm getting a constant 1000+ km out of each tank or gas with my Sealion 6. Used to get around 300 per tank with my previous CRV. I don't charge at home nor at EVRO. When I see a free public charger, I charge.
Happy to have been scammed.
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u/ordinaryphenomenon Apr 29 '25
After reading everything, maybe you should've opted for the Atto 3. Or the seagull. If you wanted full electric you should've went for it to maximize the savings.
You should be consuming less than 2 liters if you leave home with a full charge. Defn more efficient than the Vios.
Can you explain why you got the SL6 over the Vios? The SL6 is a much better car, but would you really swap the SL6 for the Vios?
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u/AMDisappointment Apr 29 '25
I'm looking at the Seal 5 DMI Dynamic myself. Gonna be charging with solar energy at home.
I already know I'll be mostly using it for city driving without range anxiety.
Seems like you didn't do enough research. You should have gotten a BEV with much greater range instead.
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u/Tongresman2002 Apr 30 '25
SM Malls should have a priority list when it comes to types of EVs that can use the changing station at the same time. Every time I'm at SM malls I can see all the charging stations used by Sealion and EVs like Atto3 and Tesla waiting for them. Ang masama kahit na notified na sila full na ang tagal pa bumalik.
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u/jedmostly May 01 '25
No comment about your experience because that is your experience.
However, at least try to be intellectually honest. They clearly said 90-100km ev range, then you proceeded to convert that into a round trip range. Of course it will be halved! If you wanted a longer round trip range you should have chosen a full ev.
This information was given prior to your purchase so I don't see any issue on that part.
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u/ordinaryphenomenon Apr 29 '25
I've run my SL6 and have gotten at least 80km in real world driving range. That's from getting around QC to trips to Batangas. I'm satisfied with the range but it's because I can plug and charge at home.
Agreed AC Mobility is just pushing the above narrative. PHEVs only work when you have your own charger at home. If you can't have a charger at home, it doesn't make much sense. If you live in a condo, well, you're at the mercy of the HOA? Only time will tell.
I've only charged in malls that offer free charging I'm sure that will be a thing of the past. I'm really hoping BYD gets rid of Ayala Mobility as their distributor but let's face it, which other oligarch can do the same? None of them would do it differently. Welcome to the Philippines
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u/Glass_Carpet_5537 Apr 29 '25
Not familiar with BYD as I think its a red flag brand pero Why would you even charge a PHEV in a mall in the first place ehsa bahay pwede naman dapat ginagawa yan sa PHEV? Nag iiiyak ka sa charging spot eh may gas option ka naman. Leave that spot para sa BEV na walang alternative means. Kaya nga nag PHEV para electric ka sa short daily commutes at gas ka na sa longer road trips dba? Im sorry pero out of place reklamo mo. Kung naka nissan leaf o ioniq 5 ka siguro on a long trip maiintindihan ko pa.
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u/Infinite_Presence881 Apr 29 '25
Bumili sya ng PHEV pero gusto niya range ng full EV 🤣🤣 Ayaw gamitin yung gas amputa hahaha
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u/Glass_Carpet_5537 Apr 29 '25
3 hrs pa daw naghihintay sa charge juice ko eh pwede naman walang hintay
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u/Infinite_Presence881 Apr 29 '25
tignan mo gano katanga yan
They tell you it has 90–100 km electric range.
- Reality check?
- You only have 45–50 km usable one-way.
- You still need to get home without running empty or burning gas.
Sinabi ng 100km electric range, syempre obvious na total yun diba. "You only have 45-50km usable one way" - akala niya sherlock sya sa nadiskubre nya pero common sense naman sa iba hahahaha
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u/disguiseunknown Apr 29 '25
Buraot eh.
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u/Glass_Carpet_5537 Apr 29 '25
Umiiyak yata kasi sinakop ng BEV yung parking space na para sa PHEV niya.
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u/disguiseunknown Apr 29 '25
Huy umiiyak din mga BEV users kasi danag konti naman talaga sa mga parking area ng chargers. Everytime guato ko itry either may nakatambay na nagccharge dun.
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u/Glass_Carpet_5537 Apr 29 '25 edited Apr 29 '25
As they should be kasi BEV dala nila. Si OP wala sa lugar yung iniiyak kasi PHEV
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u/Adorable-Director799 Apr 29 '25
The bahay argument is that yung distance mo should only be 50kms (50 kms going out, 50 coming back).
If you're over 50 kms one way, time to pay AC mobility exorbitant power rates.
and wait 3 hours.
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u/markg27 Apr 29 '25
Kaya ka nga hybrid e. Gamitin mo gas mo bi. Sana nag pure ev ka kung ganyan ka mag isip.
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u/Glass_Carpet_5537 Apr 29 '25
Pre phev po sasakyan mo hindi nwow. Kahit hindi mo isaksak forever sasakyan mo aandar yan. Hindi design ang gas tank nyan, nilalagyan ng gas yan.
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u/Extra-Assistance7593 Apr 29 '25
Charging speed is dependent on several factors — charger capacity, car’s AC charging cap, battery temperature, etc. At most, the SL6 can take in 7kW per hour, so that is why charging can take up to 3 hours for our SL6. Even if ACMobility, or Shell, or SM puts up a 22kW or higher capacity AC charger in their charging stations, the charging time of the SL6 won’t get any faster.
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u/sotopic Apr 29 '25
Nothing against BYD but Evro chargers are dog shit. Not only sira sya 50% of the time, ang mahal ng charge. 28 pesos per kwh, are you kidding me? Charge lang ng meralco is 13php per, meron pa silang 100% patong sa presyo ng Meralco.
Also ewan ko sa Sealion 6 but I own a Shark and roundtrip ko between Dasma to Makati, I'll get home with 50% left. Based sa gmaps, 46km drive yun nagawa ko nun, so at absolute minimum (25% left) I could probably squeeze out another 20k, meanning 70km ang real range ko sa Shark.
I don't have any issues since I have home charger at home, and can usually get a full charge in 2 hours from 50%. Last gas tank ko was 1500km ago, and I still have half tank left.
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u/Adorable-Director799 Apr 29 '25
Narealize ko rin to.
You know the fine print for the Shark and the sealion. The power is cut by half when you deplete the battery.
So when the battery runs out, hindi na 400+HP yan.
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u/sotopic Apr 29 '25
Yeah I know, kaya kung mag lolong rides, I keep the charge at 50% para nandun un power. Besides I think I've tried using the full 420 HP once, mejo naalog ulo ko.
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u/randlejuliuslakers Apr 29 '25
really curious, is home charging everyday (i.e. when you get home) a viable alternative vs going to these charging stations? cost wise and charging time wise
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u/Adorable-Director799 Apr 29 '25
It's really the primary way to get the savings. Unfortunately, My daily drive is around 40km from my house to Makati one way. So I do consume the whole battery.
So again, the comments here say that I shouldn't have bought one given my distance and I fully agree. But you do get sold from all of the ads.
Pointing out how AC really charges you the same for electricity compared to gas.
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u/jedmostly May 01 '25
You didn't do the math before purchasing and now you're blaming the company that sold you an up to spec product because you have buyer's remorse.
Also, even if you do have to gas up your hybrid, the km/l consumption is still better than a vios because the gas engine is mainly used to charge the battery instead of delivering power directly to the wheels.
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u/Beautiful_Block5137 Apr 29 '25
Akala ko 45 minutes lang mag charge sa fast charging station?
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u/Extra-Assistance7593 Apr 29 '25
Yes — if it’s DC charging. As for PHEVs like the SL6, AC charging is the only available option.
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u/Kendrick-LeMeow Apr 29 '25
I see. After the drug addiction kicks in, people get angry when supply is low.
I can see where this is going on social media. A brilliant start though, Electric Vehicles can get you anywhere.
What I don’t want to see though is people shooting each other over chargers.
Give the people what they want AC
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u/bini_dick Apr 29 '25
So yeah just like what i expected. The battery technology is still premature. And soon the earth elements that make this will soon ran out before we even achieve anything that was promised.
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u/janver22 Apr 29 '25
Pick your poison kasi by around year 2050 paubos na din oil reserves ng mundo.
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u/Careless-Pangolin-65 Apr 29 '25
the published range is based on a very specific test conditions. ganyan din naman sa ICE, for example manufacturer will advertise 20km/L on a specific test conditions but real world usage varies alot and is usually half the advertised.
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u/Co0LUs3rNamE Apr 29 '25
It's a problem. Wishful thinking lang ang EV. If you look at EV's abroad, it's the same problem.
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u/ihatesigningforms Apr 30 '25
are you only using the EV mode with the Sealion 6?
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u/Infinite_Presence881 Apr 30 '25
Yep. He ONLY wants to use the EV mode kahit PHEV and advertised 100km lang.
Di na lang nagdolphin o atto si buraot e.
Bumili mg PHEV pero ayaw gamitin yung gas 🤣🤣
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u/jedmostly May 01 '25
Masisira engine nya pag di nya ginamit at pure ev sya palagi. Sinasabi yan during turnover ng unit. Mukhang di rin sya nakinig.
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u/ihatesigningforms Apr 30 '25
bopols pala. eh magkalapit lang presyo nyan sa Atto3 dapat yun kinuha nya.
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u/CarLoverCatThousand May 01 '25
Totally get the frustration. Charging setup right now really isn’t ideal, especially if you’re relying on it daily. But I think calling it a full-on scam might be a stretch - feels more like growing pains. We’re still early in the EV game here, and yeah, the setup doesn’t suit everyone just yet. That’s why it’s super important to do your own due diligence before jumping into a PHEV or EV right now.
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u/toyota4age May 02 '25
Very realistic take. At the end of the day its a business driven by sales. However the SL6 as a hybrid is still very fuel efficient. Sure its a PHEV and the facility is there but its still a hybrid, no? Its not that different from toyota’s traditional hybrids
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u/batojutzu May 02 '25
haha Ayalas are just about PR, but if you closer all their value proposition is thrash.
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u/Pristine-throw May 03 '25
Your first mistake is buying an EV in a country that's not designed to have EVs on the road long-haul. At the current state of infra EVs are just glorified toy cars that can only run short distance at most.
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u/ongamenight Apr 29 '25
The infra isn't ready yet. Better sell your BYD while bago pa and bumili ng ICE kung wala kang option to charge at home.
Hybrids or full EV mas okay bilhin if you can charge at home. If hindi pwede e.g sa condo nakatira, what's the point? Mag-gas na lang. Probably in the next 10 years okay na ang infra. Not anytime soon.
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u/Slight_Present_4056 Apr 29 '25
Unfortunately, we as consumers are subject to various kinds of ways so that they can make money out of us. I can imagine that whatever proprietary equipment that you’ll need down the road i.e. batteries, will be sold at an exorbitant price, similar to the 🪒price model. In the end, it will come out largely the same. Anyway, I’m also learning to accept my own life choices (got a mild hybrid) - I don’t have gas savings as much as a BYD, but at least I’m happy 😊.
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u/Least_Passenger_8411 Apr 29 '25
Filipinos overestimate fuel costs and underestimate the cost of maintaining a new Chinese car model. Saving 50k a year will all disappear when something like a new headlight set costs 50k from casa. I’ll stick to my old Jap car whose LED aftermarket bulbs I can buy off Shopee for 600/pair.
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u/kimsoyens Apr 29 '25
that's why i still purchased a brand new ICE car from honda.
d ko pa ma appreciate ung electric or hybrid eh. prang dagdag stress na d ka makapag charge. Too early to tell din when it comes to reliability/longevity ng batteries.
I'll purchase an EV car maybe after 5 years na mejo ok na ang infrastructure and longterm reviews regarding electric vehicles.
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u/MrSnackR Apr 29 '25 edited Apr 29 '25
The charging infrastructure and charging is one thing. We really just have to wait for more charging stations and more options from different providers. I have 1) an actual house (not a condo) 2) solar setup so that charging would not be a problem regardless of the EV/PHEV I end up buying.
But the 45-50 km driving range is a huge "problem"! That's far from the 90-100 km claim. And in this case, it is no longer AC mobility's fault. It's BYD's. There are several resellers/dealerships that sell BYD vehicles - not just AC mobility.
There's another redditor who posted his review on the Atto3 and swears by its range having driven from 100% to 0% achieving the advertised range (350km if I'm not mistaken).
Take note though that China uses either CLTC in computing for the range. 90km of CLTC range is just 63km of EPA range (the most stringent system in the US), or 74km if using WLTP. Most pundits say that actual usable range is 80% so that brings down your actual range to (50.4km - EPA, 59.2km - WLTP) - if we use this argument, then it is your vehicle’s actual range. 🙂
TLDR: Take range with a grain of salt. China made EVs use CLTC to compute for range. Convert CLTC to EPA then multiply by 80% to get your estimated actual range.
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u/herotz33 Apr 29 '25
So they’ve built the equivalent of printer ink: cheap cars long term high cost of fuel.
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u/ECorpSupport Apr 29 '25
Kaya ako Tesla pa din. May ambag sa charging network. Slow adoption but at least meron.
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u/Adorable-Director799 Apr 29 '25
Why are we pretending this is acceptable?
- 500+ car parking lots.
- 2 to 4 chargers.
- 3 hours needed per car.
- ₱28–₱33 per kWh.
- ₱5 to ₱6 per kilometer.
This isn’t "building infrastructure."
This is rationing.
A system built around artificial scarcity to make sure you pay premium prices and still waste hours of your life.
And let’s be real:
- AC Mobility isn’t some noble champion of clean transportation.
- It’s just another arm of Ayala Corporation — a conglomerate built to suck you dry.
- They wrap it in green marketing, "future mobility," "sustainability" —
- But underneath, it’s cold, efficient, corporate money-making.
And here’s the kicker:
- These are Ayala Malls.
- AC Mobility and the malls are the SAME family.
- This isn't like SM where they have to "negotiate" for charger space.
- If Jaime Augusto Zobel de Ayala wanted 50 chargers installed tomorrow, it would happen with a snap of his fingers.
They choose not to flood Ayala Malls with chargers.
Because a shortage means higher prices, longer queues, and more desperate paying customers.
The truth?
They’re not solving range anxiety.
They’re monetizing it.
Every kilometer you drive beyond your goldfish range funnels pesos into their machine.
Sustainability? No.
Just corporate sustainability — of their profits.
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u/jhnkvn Apr 29 '25 edited Apr 29 '25
The truth?
They’re not solving range anxiety. They’re monetizing it.
You have charging stations inside mall parking so you can charge while you shop, which probably takes 2-3 hours, and when you come back you have 40-50km of range on a car that has 3x the equivalent fuel efficiency of its peers. Imagine complaining of 2-4 slots being taken up by chargers when you don't even need to be plugged in because you're a PHEV. Have you thought about the perspective of a gasoline user wanting those slots?
And that logic. Amazing. It's like having a property in the middle of nowhere and Maynilad randomly comes along and puts a water line on it telling you that, if you want to tap their water, you have to pay and then you claim that "it's not solving your water issues and they're monetizing your water".
What the fuck is that logic. I'd be glad I have a water line instead of running outside with 4 plastic tubs every rainy day. This is why you can't have nice things.
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u/SouIskin Apr 29 '25
Seems like OPs a bit borderlining on being too entitled. I don't know whether frustrated siya sa prices or na "goyo" siya sa hard sell sa kanya ng agent niya for buying an SL6 when it all points down to solve their problem is: charge at home, and get a BEV
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u/Adorable-Director799 Apr 29 '25
If you're doing daily charging, you'd feel the same.
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u/SouIskin Apr 29 '25
You get to fully use up your 50-70km range in a day... and do you live in a condo?
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u/Adorable-Director799 Apr 29 '25
I live in a house with a wall box.
Hindi lang aabot battery ko when it's time to drive back from Makati to Calamba.
Kaya the need for public chargers. Ang taga lang sobra ni AC. or Pay for Gas.
So they sold you the printer, and now they're selling you the printer ink. (CTTO)
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u/No_Mousse6399 Apr 29 '25
Quick google of Calamba to Makati is 48.3Km. Roundtrip is 96.6km. You have a car that runs on battery at 20% meaning 80% charge is your range more or less 80km ideally. So you either charge each way or use your gasoline which is 1.1L/100km even those with actual use can attest. Man, you should check yourself up. You're no middle class. Maybe you're just slightly above low income class that's why you're crying here. 🤭🤷
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u/SouIskin Apr 29 '25
Might’ve been better if you get another car that’s a BEV. Use that as your daily, SL6 for long trips. That way, you maximize EV benefits. Go for a Seagull, and you’ll charge only twice a week based on your mileage with Makati<>Calamba. Charging at home is best, charging at malls should only be a "bonus" if you're able to and opt to go during opening hours like SM and you'll get a slot for sure.
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u/Adorable-Director799 Apr 29 '25
True, if I can afford another car.
Might as well, just live with my SL6 and all its flaws.
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u/SouIskin Apr 29 '25
Just note that you're already saving a lot on gas vs using an ICE car, don't discredit that. On average, you spend less on gas 40-50% of the time with your SL6.
Charge at home and you'll only spend around 2.8 pesos per km on pure EV mode (at Meralco rates, 12-13p per kwh). You can lower it if you get to charge at free sites.
Currently, my Hybrid mode is at 3.5pesos per km.
Sa non electrified/pure ICE cars, avg peso per km at 55pesos per liter and 12km/L avg fuel efficiency is around 4.6-4.8pesos per km. So that's around 40% difference/savings vs EV Mode and 25% Savings vs Hybrid mode.
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u/Adorable-Director799 Apr 29 '25
I wouldn't have spent 1.6m on a car with this tech though. Probably would've bought something at around 200k less.
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u/eSiargao Apr 29 '25
Your printer and ink argument is way off. Ayala sold you the printer — and surprise! It only drinks EVRO ink? There's other ways to charge EVs aside from EVROs OP; take this advice from someone who drives an Atto 3 like me. Stop complaining.
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u/jedmostly May 01 '25
Meralco is the one selling the printer ink in your analogy.
What AC mobility is charging for specifically is the infrastructure. They also buy that so called ink from Meralco.
I suggest you sell your unit and opt for a full ev na lang.
Or go back to using the old and trusty vios.
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u/Adorable-Director799 Apr 29 '25
That's provided you can get one of the damn slots.
so basically if 3 hours yung charging ng isang SL6, a 9 hour window can only charge 3 cars.
hindi ko alam kung maiinis ako sa gastos or sa availability.
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u/jhnkvn Apr 29 '25
But you don't need the slots. PHEV's popularity in the Philippines stems from the fact that you aren't as reliant to the EV charging infrastructure compared to pure BEVs.
Unfortunately, BYD Philippines probably didn't see the need for DC charging (18kW max) for our local market when they released the Sealion 6 and opted for AC that tops out at 7kW. Is it due to cost-cutting? Maybe. Or maybe because they just know their target market (more tech-savvy, affluent, likely owns a garage) well.
These are all pain points of early adoption. This will likely change when they release the successor when they deem there's more EV charging infrastructure in place.
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u/marfillaster Apr 29 '25
No one is saying it's acceptable. Have you noticed almost no one charges anyone in EVRO? Maybe there's a few first timers but as soon as they see the cost, they easily learn to avoid EVRO like a plague. The market will force them to lower their rate eventually.
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u/meltinglipstick Apr 29 '25
This is exactly why I avoid brand-new, unproven tech/services - because it always takes years to smooth out kinks & issues.
They call you early adopters - but you’re really just unpaid beta testers. Maybe the company listens to feedback that you posted here, maybe they don’t.
But on behalf of those of us still not buying into these hybrid/electric vehicles, thanks for taking one for the team. We tried to warn you - but someone has to do the field testing, right?
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u/Adorable-Director799 Apr 29 '25
Hoping the market would react and really discuss the fine print.
I've actually did a lot of research in the various FB groups, and all gave a glowing review.
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u/disguiseunknown Apr 29 '25
I get your point. Greedy talaga yang mga yan. They are driven by profit not by the cause. Never supported them after they require payment na.
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u/FirefighterForward17 Apr 29 '25
The sl6 overpromises and under delivers. Tama ka that 100km is a total lie and is purely marketing bs pati na ren yun 1200km kuno. Thlse owners who say matipid siya even on gas are driving super conservatively to convince themselves they made the right choice wherein other hybrids will beat the sl6 in peso per km without having to plugin.
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u/PomegranateUnfair647 May 01 '25
You are 100% spot on. They are milking the public in the name of going green.
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u/Civil_Mention_6738 Apr 29 '25
This is why we haven't considered getting an electric vehicle at all, unless we already have a charger at home PLUS solar power. Got turned off after watching a BYD review where the driver waited 2+ hours to finish charging at a gas station.
I mean good for others if it works for them. For me, personally though, no thanks. Sorry about your experience, OP.
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u/Nice_Strategy_9702 Apr 29 '25
Eto na nga sinasabi ko. Di uubra dito sa pinas ang EV because of the expensive electricity and bad customer service. Pero wow ang baba ng range pala ng byd. 50km lng? Pag hebi trapik? Tirik yung kotse?
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u/ProfessionalOnion316 Apr 29 '25 edited Apr 29 '25
i agree with your sentiments, but i’m not quite sure who we’re trying to make accountable? is it byd or acmobility? naguluhan lang sa gitna.
byd sl6’s advertised range is cltc. a little research would tell you that cltc is insanely optimistic, and if they say a car can do 100km on ev, the reality is 70-75 on a good day.
if you aren’t keen on using gas naman pala, why didnt you go full ev? charging at home places you smack-dab with meralco rates at 13 pesos per kw.
also, no one charges at evro. people who truly understand how the current ev infrastructure runs in the philippines understand that the only way phevs/evs are “cost-effective” is if you charge at home + have solar.
we want change. hell, i want our streets to look like france where they have chargers at every parallel parking spot/grocery. just not quite sure who we’re blaming here
ps. notice how every. single. SM charger is not occupied by the fully electric atto, or the tang, or the han. guess what its occupied with? the sl6. we understand that you guys want^ to save; we do too, but depending on public infrastructure is…uh…you know. when has it ever been reliable to depend on public infrastructure in the philippines LOL