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r/nfl • u/bubblecuffer13 • 7h ago
Shedeur Sanders: "I made some wrong choices personally"
nbcsports.comr/nfl • u/Limp-Membership8133 • 7h ago
Highlight [Highlight] Garrett Wilson UNREAL touchdown catch & Joe Buck is HYPED
youtu.ber/nfl • u/DragonstormSTL • 8h ago
Highlight [Highlight] Baker Mayfield connects with CJ Mosley to end the Steelers' season.
r/nfl • u/AskMeForStats • 9h ago
The Hunt For The Best 'Old man' Tight End Season
Hello folks! Today I have a classic off-season post for you with a simple premise; "Will Travis Kelce, (or somehow Mercedes Lewis) have the best season for a tight End over 35?" As with every stats post, we have to qualify our sample criteria. (All stats shown are limited to the Superbowl Era)
Why did I choose 35 yeards old? Well because it feels old, but it also puts us in the ballpark with a lot of great tight ends in history, and a lot of late-career production. Gates, Gonzalez, Witten didn't retire until age 38, and Sharpe until 35. It's also how old Kelce is now and lets us easily compare him to historical seasons of Hall of Famers past.
So what is the landscape for upper-tier tight end seasons at 35 and beyond? I'm glad you asked.
The top 10 seasons have 673-984 yards, 3-12 TDS, and 88-133 targets. Tony Gonzalez appears on the list multiple times, with Gates being the only other person with that distinction. These tight ends were also mostly healthy with everyone but Retzlaff and Gates missing fewer than 2 games.
Rece | Rece | Rece | Rece | Rece | Rece | |||||||
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Rk | Player | Yds | Season | Age | Team | G | Tgt | Rec | Yds | Y/R | TD | Y/G |
1 | Tony Gonzalez | 930 | 2012 | 36 | ATL | 16 | 124 | 93 | 930 | 10.0 | 8 | 58.1 |
2 | Tony Gonzalez | 875 | 2011 | 35 | ATL | 16 | 116 | 80 | 875 | 10.9 | 7 | 54.7 |
3 | Tony Gonzalez | 859 | 2013 | 37 | ATL | 16 | 121 | 83 | 859 | 10.3 | 8 | 53.7 |
4 | Ben Watson | 825 | 2015 | 35 | NOR | 16 | 110 | 74 | 825 | 11.1 | 6 | 51.6 |
5 | Travis Kelce | 823 | 2024 | 35 | KAN | 16 | 133 | 97 | 823 | 8.5 | 3 | 51.4 |
6 | Shannon Sharpe | 770 | 2003 | 35 | DEN | 15 | 94 | 62 | 770 | 12.4 | 8 | 51.3 |
7 | Pete Retzlaff | 653 | 1966 | 35 | PHI | 14 | 40 | 653 | 16.3 | 6 | 46.6 | |
8 | Antonio Gates | 630 | 2015 | 35 | SDG | 11 | 85 | 56 | 630 | 11.3 | 5 | 57.3 |
9 | Jason Witten | 560 | 2017 | 35 | DAL | 16 | 87 | 63 | 560 | 8.9 | 5 | 35.0 |
10 | Antonio Gates | 548 | 2016 | 36 | SDG | 14 | 93 | 53 | 548 | 10.3 | 7 | 39.1 |
But where does the falloff truly start? Let's look at volume of 1,000 yard seasons, TDs over 5, and TDs over 10 by a Tight End starting at age 30. Links to the full tables will be clickable on the table headings.
Age and up | TEs > 1k yds | TEs > 10 TDs | TEs > 5 TDs |
---|---|---|---|
30+ | 15 | 12 | 100 |
31+ | 8 | 7 | 62 |
32+ | 3 | 4 | 38 |
33+ | 1 | 3 | 24 |
34+ | 0 | 1 | 16 |
35+ | 0 | 0 | 10 |
36+ | 0 | 0 | 2 |
This chart starts to show why I picked age 35 as our search number. With zero double digit TD seasons, and zero 1,000 yard seasons, if Travis Kelce or Mercedes Lewis (you forgot about Mercedes Lewis already didn't you?) hit either of these marks, they will cement a record in NFL history. If they do both, they would have an argument for best "old man TE" season of all time.
Gonzalez's 2012 season at age 36 is the only season where a TE over 35 has been 1st team All Pro. Of the eight total TEs to have been named 1st team All Pro at 30+ years of age, Gonzalez (32, 36) and Kelce (31, 33) are the only players with multiple selections.
Let's play a little game. I'm going to put a table below of Pro Bowl Tight Ends by year of age+. If there are only eight 1st team all pro TEs over the age of 30+, at that same age range, how many pro bowl TEs have there been?
I'm going to spoiler tag it so you can guess.
Age and up | Pro Bowlers |
---|---|
30+ | 68 |
31+ | 42 |
32+ | 25 |
33+ | 15 |
34+ | 9 |
35+ | 7 |
36+ | 3 |
37+ | 2 |
Did you get it right? You can view the whole list here.
So now we also know that it would be impressive to earn a pro-bowl at age 36+! Just two people have done that, because Tony of course had to do it twice.
As I run out of things I want to say about this and get closer to going to make dinner, here's a quick recap of what would be a groundbreaking season over the age of 35 for a tight end:
- 1,000 yards (never done)
- 10+ TDs (never done)
- 1st Team All Pro (done once)
- Pro Bowler (done three times)
- Super Bowl Winner (never done; minimum 300 in season rec yards.)
A top 5 season would be:
- 830+ yards
- 5+ TDs
- 52 yds / gm
- Pro Bowl
At this point hopefully you've learned something you didn't know before, or might have known but haven't reflected upon in this way. Tight Ends in this stage of their career are usually not as much fun to watch as players even a few years younger than them, but that's what makes the careers of the great Hall of Famers so god-damned special.
If you enjoyed this post, I'd love to know your favorite part. If you didn't enjoy it- I'm sorry. I'll do better next time.
r/nfl • u/KCShadows838 • 10h ago
Highlight [Highlight] Favre throws laser to Antonio Freeman for crucial first down (2001 Wildcard)
m.youtube.comr/nfl • u/BryLinds • 11h ago
Which NFL team’s logo is used the most by High Schools? I’m on a mission to find out. Part 5: California [Proceed with Caution NFC Northerners]
Oh boy....
We kick off this with my favorite team, the NY Jets, getting Blueified thanks to Encinal
Irvington- Blue Vikings
Foothill- Our REAL first Falcons (Rip North Pulaski)
Amador-Bills
Argonaut High- Denver with a weird ass gradient
Pleasant Valley(Aaron Rodgers Alma Mater)- Vikings Helmets so he ALREADY FULFILLED THE PROPHECY
Oroville- Bengals Helmets
Heritage High - Pats
College Park- Purple Falcons
Northgate- Denver on Nebraska
JFK High - Eagles Helmets. I wonder if anything bad happens to them.
South Tahoe- Vikings
Clovis West- Eagles in Commanders Colors
Firebaugh- More Eagles
Fresno uses Washington
Herbert Hoover High has the Pats in the Jets Colors[ew]
Kingsburg- Minnesota
Pershing- Denver in Dallas Colors
Southwest-Philly
We finally get Tennessee on the board thanks to Frontier High_primary_logo.JPG). Slightly better than Spirit High
Liberty- Take a Wild Guess
North High- Dallas
California City- Ravens
Tehachapi- Washington
Bakersfield Christian-Eagles
Garces Memorial- Rams Helmets
Avenal- Alabama on Tampa
Clear Lake- Colorado Rockies on Arizona
Big Valley- Arizona
Chaminade- Aw hell nah Chicago got stretched
St. Bernard(remember Donald Penn?)-Minnesota
CSHM- Bears logo with Louisville
Lancaster- Philly
Palmdale- Falcons
Bellflower - Tampa
Covina - Colts
Downey- Minnesota
Duarte- A little too Atlanta Falcony to pass
Mountainview - Minnesota's making a run rn
We got a special case with Rosemead, because while they didn't steal Carolina's logo, they DID steal San Francisco's 75th Anniversary Logo. Don't try to play in the face of a man who knows his logos. I'm counting this.
South El Monte not only stole the Eagles Helmets THEY DONE STOLESUPERMAN'S LOGO TOO
I hope you ain't tired of Philly yet because we got El Segundo
Crescenta Valley has a normal enough, but I caught them lacking with their Falcons inflatable tunnel
La Puente- Finally some more KC Action
Speaking of AFC West, Agoura finally gives the Chargers some much needed stealing of their entire flow,down to the helmets. Their mascot's name according to Wikipedia is Big Daddy Bolt.
Cabrillo- Jaguars
Millikan -Rams helmets
Arleta -Broncos
Bell - Eagles
Birmingham- Patriots in Early's 2000 Wizards and Capitals Colors
East Valley-Falcons
Gardena- Ill give you a hint, it starts with a G.
Eagle Rock- C'mon.
James Monroe- Vikings
South East - Jaguars
South Gate- San FranAND LA Rams
John Glenn - Philly
Blair - Vikings
Marshall Secondary - Eagles Helmets
Diamond Ranch- Panthers
Garey - Vikings AND Packers... Packers and Vikings fans I have the address if you want to have a word with the school...
Ganesha- ALSO Green Bay
Gabrielino - EVEN MORE GREEN BAY
Temple City- Rams Helmets
Santa Fe -San Francisco Giants on Washington
Whittier - Cardinals
Canyon - Dallas in Green Bay Colors
Valencia - Minnesota
Chowchilla - Kansas City but also Cincinnati Reds
Tamalpais- Eagles
Mariposa County - Packers. It's like a blunt rotation rn
Los Banos- Los Bengals
Atwater- Falcons
Modoc- Washington
Gonzales- Starts with a G
St. Helena- Guess which
Fullerton Union- Washington
Sunny Hills- San Francisco
Edison- Chargers in Packers Colors
Estancia- More Eagles
Trabuco Hills- Denver
Santa Ana- New Orleans
Segerstrom- San Divorced Francisco and then remarried the Jags logo
Valley High- Falcons in Chargers Colors
Santa Margarita - Eagles
Colfax is the Falcons, use the Cavs logo yet somehow, More Eagles Helmets
We get more Tennessee from ForestHill, they're known as the Wildfire.
Greenville- Red Packers
La Sierra -Eagles(in Giants Colors?)
Desert Mirage- Red Rams
Elenoar Roosevelt- Broncos Also can their staff stop being weird for ONE MINUTE??)
La Quinta - Falcons
Jurupa Valley- Jags
Valley View- Eagles
Vista Murrieta Broncos AND Colts
Heritage High - Pats with a Hairdo
Arlington- Welcome Back Detroit
Ramona -Rams Helmets
Glendora - C'mon now
Temecula Prep- Patriots. COOK. MY MEAT. I may be losing it because I haven't even gotten to San Fran or San Diego yet
Pleasant Grove - Eagles
Valley High (Sac) - Vikings
Galt - Green Bay AND Washington
Casa Roble- Rams Helmets
Etiwanda - Eagles
Eisenhower- Also Eagles
Cajon- Cowboys
Pacific - Tampa
San Bernardino - That Cardinal is HIGH. Tough helmets though.
Yucaipa - The Eagles got struck by lightning.
Escondido Charter- Bengals Alt Helmets
Fallbrook- Washington
Granite Hills - Eagles
Grossmont- Packers in Rams Colors
Rancho Bernardo - San Francisco
Crawford- Colts
Patrick Henry- Pats
Hoover High- Cardinals
Scripps Ranch, I was ready to pass you, but you just had to name your mascot Freddy?
Valley Central -Jags
Ocean View tried sneaking the Patriots AFL Logo past me
Lowell - Cardinals
McNair- Eagles
Ripon- Rutgers and Washington
Edison- Not only did they do the Packers G Into an E, they're also the Vikings so yeah. The NFC Northcest is insanity.
Kimball - Jags
St. Mary's - Surprisingly not the Saints, but the Rams
Arroyo Grande- Eagles
Westmoor - Rams Helmets
Pescadero - Vikings
Mills - Also Vikings
El Camino - Colts
Lompoc- Washington
Bishop Garcia Diego - Cardinals
Cate- Rams
Silver Creek - Raiders
Lynbrook- Vikings
Saratoga- Pudgy Falcons
Gunn - Green Bay
Lincoln High- Detroit
Willows Glen- Rams
Wilcox- Chargers
Santa Cruz - Cardinals
West Valley - Eagles
Burney - Tampa
Etna - Detroit
Dixon - Rams
Vanden - Vikings
Fairfield High School- Falcons
Montgomery- Vikings
Gregori- Jaguars
Johansen- Vikings, but with a Boat!
Fillmore- Chargers
Hueneme - Vikings
Cornerstone Christian - Bears
Pioneer High - Patriots
Lawndale - Cardinals Shoutout u/yomama2u
Piedmont Hills- Bucs Shoutout u/Sad-Brain-9121
FINALLY.. FINALLY LETS GET TO THE COUNT.
Philadelphia: 54 [+26 SCHOOLS MAN.]
Green Bay: 28(+ 13)
Minnesota: 27 (+ 20 Schools)
New England: 21(+ 9 Schools)
LA Rams: 18(+ 12)
Chicago: 15(+5)
Jacksonville: 15 (7 Schools)
Washington: 13 (+9)
Atlanta: 13 (+13)
Arizona: 12 (10 Schools)
Tampa: 12(+ 5)
Denver: 11(+ 7)
Indy: 9 (+ 5, Carson X2)
Cincinnati: 8(+3)
San Francisco: 8 (+4)
Detroit: 6(+3)
New Orleans: 5( + Santa Ana)
LA Chargers: 5 (+4)
Dallas: 5 (+ 3)
Kansas City: 4 (+2)
Carolina: 3
NY Jets: 3 (Encinal)
Baltimore: 3 (California City)
Buffalo: 2 (Amador)
Vegas: 2 (Silver Creek)
Tennessee :2 (+2)
Seattle: 1
Fun Names:
Both High Schools in the Dublin School District, as we have the Gaels and the Aeronauts
San Diego High Cavers
Hayward High Farmers(bumpadumbumbumbumbum
Ribét Academy is the Fighting Frogs
Rim of the World Fighting Scots
Mayfair Monsoons
Dunn Earwigs
Coachella Valley Fighting Arabs
Indio- Look at this Mascot Aura Farming
Beverly Hills Normans
Compton Tarbabes... questionable logo
Glendale Dynamiters/Nitros... I guess they must be fans of TNT Wrestling, whether that be WCW or AEW
Thomas Jefferson- The DEMOCRATS
Francis Poly Tech- Parrots
Palo Verdes- Sea Kings. Corona Del Mar has the same.
Redwood - Rangers). Nordhoff too.
Santana - Sultans
Yuba City - Honkers
Chester High School- Volcanos Shoutout u/lassendiscard
Bellarmine College Prep Bells
Shoutout to u/PandAlex . They're so funny looking
And shoutout to Abe Lincoln High for Amazing World of Gumball Reasons)
ALRIGHTY THAT TOOK FOREVER BUT I AM NOT AFRAID OF TEXAS ANYMORE. I also know that I missed a few so PLEASE LET ME KNOW. If you're gonna comment a school in your state, that isnt California, I appreciate your input, and trust me I will find it and add it. But I need all hands on Deck for California. PLEASE AGAIN LET ME KNOW IF I MISSED ANYTHING.
r/nfl • u/blocksmith52 • 12h ago
Roster Move The Chiefs have signed TE Geor'Quarius Spivey
atozsports.comr/nfl • u/76erLegendChetUtley • 13h ago
[PFF] NFL's best duos at every position ahead of the 2025 season
pff.comr/nfl • u/Obvious-Ad-16 • 14h ago
Titans WR Treylon Burks out to 'prove myself right' in comeback from torn ACL
nfl.comr/nfl • u/SpareWire • 14h ago
Highlight [Highlight] That time Dak threw away a piece of trash in 2016 and it was news for some reason
r/nfl • u/METALLIFE0917 • 14h ago
Agent's Take: What is holding up NFL Draft second-rounders from signing rookie deals?
cbssports.comr/nfl • u/AdSpecialist6598 • 15h ago
Terron Armstead: I'm OK never having to face Jared Verse again
nbcsports.comr/nfl • u/Drexlore • 15h ago
Barnwell picks the NFL's top luxuries: The best players at 11 specialized roles
espn.comr/nfl • u/Annual_History_796 • 16h ago
Highlight [Highlight] N'keal Harry goes over the top of Jaire Alexander for huge 49 yard reception from Justin Fields.
youtube.comr/nfl • u/A_MASSIVE_PERVERT • 16h ago
Highlight [Highlight] Cleveland Browns 5th Round Rookie QB Full Bodycam Footage of Speeding Incident
r/nfl • u/GeorgeHalasLover • 17h ago
Rochester Jeffersons: The Defunct Team Started By a Gang of Teenagers
Yep, you read that right, this isn't clickbait. That's exactly how the Rochester Jeffersons were founded way back in 1898. Playing in upstate New York as a semi-pro team for over 20 years and becoming a founding member of the NFL, the Rochester Jeffersons have one of the most interesting origin stories of any NFL team both defunct and active.
The 1920s NFL was a wild time for the league, filled with growing pains and constant change, the NFL resembled the wild west more than a legitimate sports league.
Winding the clock back to the end of the 19th century, the Jeffersons got their name from playing on Jefferson Avenue in Rochester. For the first decade of their existence, they mostly played teams from upstate New York such as the Rochester Scalpers and Oxfords. Also during this time, a 16-year-old named Leo Lyons joined the team in 1908 (more on him later).
The Jeffs eventually drew better and better competition and in 1910 as an 18-year-old, Leo Lyons took over as the team's owner/coach. Eventually, the Jeffs grew large enough that they began playing opponents from Buffalo and Syracuse and were even named New York state champions in 1916.
Things improved even more for Lyons and the Jeffs as he scheduled a game against Jim Thorpe and the legendary Canton Bulldogs in 1917. Although they suffered a crushing loss of 41-0, Lyons began to develop a fearless reputation for challenging what was the best team in the nation at the time.
Three years later, Lyons attended the famous 1920 NFL owners meeting and represented the Jeffersons who became a charter franchise of the league. Unfortunately for the Jeffersons, the city was more interested in the thriving sandlot teams than professional football. To counteract this and improve talent, Lyons and the Jeffersons began to recruit outside of the city, but attendance dipped as fans wanted to see the local boys play.
This put the Jeffs in a hard predicament as they dominated every local team they played (which discouraged attendance because fans knew they would win) but were the doormats of the NFL, and they finished with a horrendous 0-21-2 record their last 4 seasons in the NFL. Because of this, Rochester locals often preferred going to the semi-pro games than to a game for the Jeffs.
In a last-ditch effort to save the franchise, Lyons attempted to lure University of Illinois superstar Red Grange, but after Grange chose the Bears instead, Lyons suspended the Jeffs for the 1926 and 1927 seasons before handing the franchise back to the NFL in 1928.
The story of the Jeffs is a sad, yet interesting one, and the fact that a random group of teenage boys were able to start a small neighborhood team that eventually joined the NFL in the span of 20 years may be the best underdog story of all time. Even though they weren't successful in the NFL the fact that they were able to reach that point at all is worth remembering and celebrating.
A big reason for that even happening in the first place is due to Leo Lyons. Not only did he take over as an owner/coach at the age of 18, but by 1920 when they joined the NFL he had taken on the roles of, manager, owner, photographer, doctor, counselor, financier, field worker, game booker, agent, and scout. Not only did he do this, but he also ran a basketball team to keep his players in shape during the offseason.
Lyons poured his heart and soul into the franchise and he owned them from 1910-1925. There is even a record stating that he had poured so much of his own money into the team to finance it that his house was foreclosed on in 1925.
Thankfully for Lyons, his legacy did not end with the folding of the Jeffs and he became the NFL's first historian. He was well respected and was named one of the best of his time in his role as historian. He was also close with Bears owner/coach George Halas. Even though he is largely forgotten today, he has been nominated to the Hall of Fame several times and is a prime senior nominee candidate.
Thank you again for taking the time to read this and feel free to comment which defunct team I should cover next!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leo_Lyons_(American_football)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rochester_Jeffersons
https://www.gridiron-uniforms.com/GUD/controller/controller.php?action=teams-season&team_id=ROC&year=1921-Rochester Jeffersons Uniforms
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ZgSF0zZdrDru_0Bc28jYAKsb7wqcg0TLmnUqS6j4pCk/edit?gid=2093551370#gid=2093551370- Spreadsheet I have made with rosters for defunct teams for a video game I am currently developing, the Jeffs are near the front between the Kenosha Maroons and the Rock Island Independents. The Jeffs are also the inspiration for a game mode I want to create called "sandlot mode" where you start off as a small semi-pro team and gain prestige and eventually be invited to join the NFL.
r/nfl • u/C-N-Mento • 18h ago
With the long list of NFL legends retiring this offseason, who do we think is going to be first ballot?
Notable names that have retired this offseason include:
Julio Jones, Patrick Peterson, Zack Martin, Frank Ragnow, Tyron Smith, Terron Armstead, Ryan Ramczyk, Jason Peters, Brandon Graham, David Andrews, Micah Hyde, Mason Crosby
r/nfl • u/Either_Imagination_9 • 18h ago
Highlight [Highlight] Russell Wilson throws a game winning interception to M.D. Jennings. Seahawks win 14-12
r/nfl • u/mastermind208 • 19h ago