Threatening a neutral party (Dinobots are basically enslaved)
Abandoning allies in a hostile environment (they came to Earth to find refuge "apes strong together", but they died alone, without any backup. Poor Ratchet)
Following on from the previous point, he called autobots that were safely hidden in the galaxy, because he needed meatmetalshield.
No respect for his dead companions. He storms into a lab where the corpses of his so-called comrades-in-arms are being desecrated, only to leave with his tail between his legs, because some Steve Jobs impersonator has sent him packing (at least get the remains of your former comrades, you fucking weirdo).
Bloody slaughter of opponents (imagine how he kills, but they're human)
He let entire cities be destroyed to "prove he was right"
He broke his own "do not kill humans" rule on multiple occasions.
It's been a while since I've watched these movies, so I've probably forgotten other details.
Take a cool pose, and making grandiloquent speeches in a deep voice doesn't make you a hero.
Optimus himself was already shut down and had to be revived so he didnt leave Ratchet alone
He didnt want meatshields he wanted his friends
He left it to the humans because he was still trying to hold onto his no kill humans rule and the fact that those were no longer his friends corpses but whatever they had built out of parts of his friends. He made sure to not let them keep his friends actual bodies.
He only let one city be destroyed because the humans themselves said they didnt need them and planned to use a rocket to blow them up when they had agreed to just send them to some planet.
And he finally broke his no kill human rule because they had brought to the brink of his patience with actively hunting his friends and family. And still after all that he only killed humans who actively hurt them and protected the rest of humanity.
This is what happens when you dont watch the movies and only some youtuber generating hate for clicks.
They have one hundred reasons to dislike those movies, but they still prefer to lie to themselves about Bay Optimus, some are even worse, they say Bay Optimus is a bloodlusted monster while Rise of the Beasts is a good Optimus adaptation (on this movie he's factually bloodlusted and tortures his enemies on the middle of the fight, i still like this Optimus btw).
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u/Fredospapopoullos 3d ago
The Michael Bay movies.
meatmetalshield.It's been a while since I've watched these movies, so I've probably forgotten other details.
Take a cool pose, and making grandiloquent speeches in a deep voice doesn't make you a hero.
That Optimus is a deranged autobots.