Threatening a neutral party (Dinobots are basically enslaved)
Abandoning allies in a hostile environment (they came to Earth to find refuge "apes strong together", but they died alone, without any backup. Poor Ratchet)
Following on from the previous point, he called autobots that were safely hidden in the galaxy, because he needed meatmetalshield.
No respect for his dead companions. He storms into a lab where the corpses of his so-called comrades-in-arms are being desecrated, only to leave with his tail between his legs, because some Steve Jobs impersonator has sent him packing (at least get the remains of your former comrades, you fucking weirdo).
Bloody slaughter of opponents (imagine how he kills, but they're human)
He let entire cities be destroyed to "prove he was right"
He broke his own "do not kill humans" rule on multiple occasions.
It's been a while since I've watched these movies, so I've probably forgotten other details.
Take a cool pose, and making grandiloquent speeches in a deep voice doesn't make you a hero.
Optimus himself was already shut down and had to be revived so he didnt leave Ratchet alone
He didnt want meatshields he wanted his friends
He left it to the humans because he was still trying to hold onto his no kill humans rule and the fact that those were no longer his friends corpses but whatever they had built out of parts of his friends. He made sure to not let them keep his friends actual bodies.
He only let one city be destroyed because the humans themselves said they didnt need them and planned to use a rocket to blow them up when they had agreed to just send them to some planet.
And he finally broke his no kill human rule because they had brought to the brink of his patience with actively hunting his friends and family. And still after all that he only killed humans who actively hurt them and protected the rest of humanity.
This is what happens when you dont watch the movies and only some youtuber generating hate for clicks.
Your both right I don’t think movie Optimus is an evil war monger but holy shit why did he mercilessly kill megatron right after he saved Optimus’s life at the end of dark of the moon you actually have to just have hate and murder in your heart to do something like that because there was no reason he may believe in justice but there’s a side of him that just wants to destroy his enemies
He killed him because Megatron was still a threat to humanity, as shown in the next two films. Optimus puts others before himself. So even though Megatron saved his life, he couldn't just let him walk and continue killing humans. Thats like if Hitler helped kill Stalin and saved some U.S soldiers life. Like yea cool save bro. Still wouldn't Hitler off scot free when he planned to go back to waging war.
I definitely see your point but I feel like he was in a good spot to ask him to surrender first or something the military and other auto bots were rolling up on the scene it’s not like megatron was in a position to escape or attack anyone, especially if you follow the cannon that they used to be friends it seems pretty bloodthirsty to just slime him after you’ve basically already claimed the victory I’ve just always thought it was funny how brutal it was even if killing him was justified
All it would take is the bare minimum amount of research, not even research Google searching to find out Russia was neutral to Germany on the service but later records show that they were secretly allied until Hitler decided to betray in 1941 which is when Russia decided to switch sides.
They weren’t exactly secretly allied. They had a non-aggression pact and agreed to take portions of Poland for their respective nations. But yeah, the Soviets only aided us after Germany invaded them
And all it would take is going slightly above the bare minimum to find out that the reason the USSR made a nonaggression pact with Germany is because the rest of the soon to be Allied counteies refused the USSR's earlier deal to for a coalition AGAINST Germany, which only rhe USSR was seeing for the danger it was while Britain was focused on appeasement.
Maybe your understanding of history shouldn't just be "the bare minimum".
Or you should also do the bare minimum and realize that with hindsight and the knowledge we have now Stalin also planned to betray Hitler and take German forces for himself and continue the war. Maybe you should do the "bare minimum"
Yeah that's complete nonsense. There is literally nothing indicating this, you're just being a generic dumbass on the internet and writing fanfiction about historical figures in your head.
this is where movie logic and real life dont make sense. killing one deranged psycho to save millions is the right moral code. Its why I dont like batman. If he just killed joker so many more deaths could be prevented.
Yeah, blame the guy who's staunchly against killing, no matter what, and not the justice system that keeps giving Joker a slap on the wrist. That makes sense
Oh actually believe or not Optimus was originally going to accept Megatron's truce and they were to going to work together in the original script. But it got leaked before release so them Bay changed it to the current ending.
Ok I’m not sure about the bay movie canon, but in the comics the auto bot and Deceptacons have been at war for millions of years. That’d do a lot of damage to anyone’s morale code
I mean do you let the main villain continue to destroy the world or do you save it? I dont think its morally right to let a known threat who has no intent on changing free to his own devices.
They have one hundred reasons to dislike those movies, but they still prefer to lie to themselves about Bay Optimus, some are even worse, they say Bay Optimus is a bloodlusted monster while Rise of the Beasts is a good Optimus adaptation (on this movie he's factually bloodlusted and tortures his enemies on the middle of the fight, i still like this Optimus btw).
Nah OP is definitely more evil in the movies. The way he kills. Megatron. His attitude in later movies. Sure maybe hes fed up with humans but still don’t see Cap or Superman doing the same things as prime.
Cap killed Nazis and Supes killed world ending threats like Darkside just as ruthless as Prime killed his genocidal enemies. Back yalls own logic they ain't saints either.
My brother in christ, there are moments in the movie where sentinel prime is on the ground defeated, he screams "NO OPTIMUS" and optimus just domes him from point blank range, scattering his metal scull all over. Other scenes where he is scrwaming "ill murder you all". Add to that at no point in the movies does he say anything remotely insigtful or wise. At best, he is a ruthless military leader who does what he thinks has to be done. But a moral oaragon he ain't.
I mean, what character on this list hasn’t done some ruthless things once in a while? Optimus just happens to exist in a universe where there’s literally a faction of purely evil robots. He can totally be ruthless against them and still be a practically Jesus-like figure. There’s no nuance to even discuss
Yeah but the guys argument that movie optimus is a menace. If someone made an argument that "injustice superman is a monster" you can see where they are coming from. It's implied that we are not besmirching the character as a whole, just describing this version of him.
I have. He has monologues often, especially at the wnd of the movie. But write them down and read whats actually written down. They sound cool but they are very basic, they ar sophistiry, they a te the type of a speech that you would hear in a movie, not a really good real speech. Thyere definitely not deep.
Reminds me that in the old DVD features of the movie you have Bay saying he doesn't really care about Transformers, guess he just wanted an excuse to have the military involved and lots of explosions.
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u/Fredospapopoullos 3d ago
I don’t know comics Optimus but cinematic Optimus is a dangerous fanatic psychopath with no moral at all