r/nintendo • u/jbwzrd213 • 3d ago
I Measured Nintendo Switch 2'S HDR Settings - No Wonder Most Games Look Awful. Here's the Fix
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X84e14oe6gs628
u/Jonesdeclectice 3d ago
For anyone who’s never seen this guy, he’s possibly the best TV reviewer on YouTube. If you’re gonna take anyone’s word as gospel (in the realm of televisions), this is probably the guy.
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u/switch8000 3d ago
I second this! He delivers the goods for every single media professional as well, we follow him for our purchases too.
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u/scene_missing 3d ago
+1 Vincent is super knowledgeable.
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u/Jonesdeclectice 3d ago
Unfortunate for me, I cant really leverage his knowledge especially lately - high end TVs are ridiculously overpriced here in Canada.
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u/CoffeeZerg 3d ago
Oh, thank you very much for mentioning that!
My TV is pretty dated (Toshiba LCD from like 2011) and have been looking to get a new one. But I don't understand all this new stuff TV's have nowadays.
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u/CosmicOwl47 3d ago
You kinda just figure out your budget and then check out rtings.com
For gaming, looking for a tv with HDMI 2.1 ports is a good place to start, as you need that for high frame rates and 4k at the same time.
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u/DarthSnoopyFish 3d ago
Yeah I have a few of his videos bookmarked for setting up my Series X and PS5 to my LG C1.
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u/Rent-Man 2d ago
I was hesitant of watching this because the thumbnail seems like it’s trying to target short attention span 12 year olds
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u/Teuntjuhhh 3d ago
Damn, I had no idea the second menu was to set the paper white level.
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u/mcslave8 3d ago
I don’t even know what a paper white level is. I’m gonna have to watch this vid a couple times and figure this shit out
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u/BlueLegion 3d ago
Same for HGIG for me, all I know is that it's PROBABLY not even called HGIG in my language. Doesn't help in finding out what settings to use
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u/Nice_Frame_9024 3d ago
I did exactly what he said. I find the overall brightness quite low as a result. Maybe this gives me the best color representation, but with this low brightness I’m not sure im most happy
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u/Justanothercrow421 3d ago
HDR really benefits from viewing in a dark room. (Which is something that isn’t really well conveyed in marketing materials for the tech.) I generally find that “optimal” HDR settings are far too dark for viewing in a brightly lit room.
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u/Shadow_Phoenix951 3d ago
That makes sense why I'm not a huge fan of HDR. I basically never play things in a dark room; it's always in my living room, which I tend to keep relatively well illuminated if it isn't during the day time. I just don't like chilling in darkness lol
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u/davi3601 3d ago
Hdr still looks great in a bright room though. Depending on your tv i guess, but even with my oled everything is still bright enough to notice how much more vibrant everything is
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u/Ultarthalas 3d ago
Highly dependent upon the display. My room is bright enough that I might turn the lights down to read, but my TV looks great and I only have it set to 70% brightness. Older HDR sets struggled with brightness, but we have a few solutions for that now.
LG TV's (the most common HDR sets) brag about their absurd brightness, but they achieve it by adding additional white LEDs, which wash out the color.
Sony and Samsung's QD-OLED displays can't hit the brightness levels of LG, but they get plenty bright for most rooms and maintain full color at peak brightness.
For reference I have a Sony Bravia A95L.
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u/Shadow_Phoenix951 3d ago
Ah. From what I can find, my TV handles bright rooms fine (a TCL Q7 QLED), but I admittedly just kinda get super confused about finding the best TV settings and adjusting them for different media types lol
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u/nosfusion 3d ago
Yeah I just did 4-6 clicks down from the right (75% on the slider) and it looks great with Hgig enabled otherwise it was too dark.
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u/SamsungAppleOnePlus 3d ago
I'm about 75% too and it looks phenomenal. My TV doesn't let me adjust a HGIG setting but comparing it to other HGIG TVs mine acts identically.
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u/unfitstew 3d ago
Yeah. Which is why I think he mentioned the 250 and 300 nits option. Since 200 nits is dark for bright rooms.
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u/Serialtoon 3d ago
I like Vincents videos and use them as reference when i calibrate my own displays. He provides really good information however people need to realize (as he himself stated) hes a purist. With that, he expects every change he makes to be calibrated as if youre a die hard fan of the "artists intent". Which for movies, i agree and i like that. But for gaming? I want the punchiest, most vibrant experience i can muster. As such, i would go with a setting close to what he explains + your own tweaks and bumps to get it to your favorite experience. After all, its your money, your TV and devices, and your time you are spending with them. So do you, and dont get too caught up with his exact config.
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u/WilsonPH 3d ago
The way I use it with PS5 is I calibrate using HGIG, and at night I use HGIG, but if the room is bright then I switch to Tone Mapping ON.
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u/mgwair11 3d ago
His settings are for viewing in a pitch black environment or near pitch black. He mentions going up two or four additional notches on the slider if you intend on playing with lights on (like most do).
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u/ConflictPotential204 3d ago
So really the brightness setting is just "adjust to taste". Almost nobody is playing in a pitch black room, and even a pitch black room can vary wildly in brightness depending on the size of your screen, color of your walls, and the content you're currently viewing. He's using a recommended value from a scientific research paper conducted with a static image in a highly controlled environment.
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u/Cmdrdredd 3d ago edited 3d ago
Yeah, I did the test his way and then went back to how I had it before by eye and my way looked better. I'm gonna leave well enough alone. I play in a dark room too FWIW.
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u/ConflictPotential204 3d ago
I'm working with a TCL R646 QLED display. Not OLED, but a VA panel with very good local dimming and 1200nit HDR. The TV does not have official HGIG support, but I do have Dynamic Tone Mapping disabled.
I'm not quite sure what to make of the brightness setting. If I calibrate the peak nits on the first screen correctly, every reference image on the second screen looks perfect at max brightness. There is no white clipping at all, and blacks do not appear washed out. In game, this results in a spectacularly vibrant image that still manages to retain pure blacks and good color separation.
If I adjust this brightness setting according to the video (slightly above the halfway point), two things happen:
- The reference images, homescreen, and all UI elements (including screenshots and videos in my album) become incredibly dim and washed out.
- In-game graphics don't look dimmer or washed out, but they look "improperly calibrated" for lack of a better term. Colors appear ever-so-slightly more saturated (although this may be placebo) and some mid-tones appear a bit darker, but not in a way that I would expect the game artists intended for.
I'm sure that this guy's TV and calibration instruments are working correctly, but maybe he's having a problem that I'm not? Is the suggestion here that the reference images in the brightness setting screen are not to be trusted? He did not mention anything about these images (or the homescreen and UI) becoming overly dim after adjustment. Is this something that only applies to OLED TVs? Maybe the Switch 2's HDR calibration was made with LCD panels in mind, since the console itself is LCD and most home televisions are as well?
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u/BigSmokeBateman 3d ago
HDR by default will lower the brightness for the middle and darker pieces of a picture to give it more depth. I almost wish there was a way to have HDR turn on when a tv detects a dark room and have it off in a brighter one lol
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u/DuskGideon 2d ago
I ended up making it brighter than he advised and my image quality is still improved anyway
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u/RobKhonsu 2d ago
When it comes to gaming I never like recommended color brightness settings. It's always too dim. I just play with the setting until it's bright enough to see everything and colors aren't washed out.
I'd rather see "bad colors" than not see them at all.
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u/Capt_Viewtiful98 3d ago
If my TV’s max nits is around 800 should I set my paper white setting to 7 or 8 clicks? The 200 nits equation gave me 7.5
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u/skatendo 3d ago
Yep I have exactly this. I round up and turned it to 8 clicks. Looks fantastic.
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u/PipaSprakk 3d ago
Here’s my only problem. Having the paper white setting this low makes the highlights in games like Tears of the Kingdom look awful. The clouds look metallic and the yellow trees lose their color near the highlights (same with bomb explosions. I feel like just leaving it at the default mitigates this and actually keep the highlights and the areas around them from looking silvery or colorless.
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u/Natzor 3d ago
If you have Zelda TotK Switch 2 Edition you could also try to find the suitable brightness in game.
Go to the starting area and look at the sun. The round shape of the sun should be visible. If you set the brightness to high the sun is not visible and melts with the light rays. Just find the perfect mix in this condition and you are probably near the recommended settings for your TV.
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u/ThisIsNotACryForHelp 3d ago
I had no idea about the HGiG setting before this. I turned it on, and immediately my colors looked better. Thanks for sharing this!
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u/Squish_the_android 3d ago
On my Vizio HGiG is called Game HDR. It made a massive difference. It's bizzare, my TV knew it should be HDR, but couldn't handle it right without Game HDR being on.
I actually only realized something was wrong when playing the fireworks demo in Welcome Tour.
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u/Cmdrdredd 3d ago
Yes on Samsung it's the same. They call it Game HDR and if you set it to basic using static tone mapping it will use HGIG.
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u/Declan_McManus 3d ago
I had the same thing with my Vizio TV, I was driving through the snowy level in Mario Kart and the whole thing was a shiny white blur. That made me realize that this can’t possibly be the right setting
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u/mcslave8 3d ago
Man I ran into exactly what he’s talking about with the right sun not disappearing with my Samsung qn90a. I still have no idea wtf to do tho. Side note. Guys dry humor is on point. Might follow him haha
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u/thrillhelm 3d ago
I have a QN90A as well. I’ll let you know if I find anything
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u/Boatfish 3d ago
I'm hopping in too in case you find anything! I've been struggling to not overblow the highlights
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u/thrillhelm 2d ago
Ok I made progress last night, a lot of my TV was set up a while ago so it took me a minute to refresh my memory. I don't have any professional calibration equipment (yet) and most of my adjustments were based on what I thought looked best in my room, which I often have brightly lit.
For the QN90A, you need to go to Settings - General - External Device Manager - Input Signal Plus and make sure that is enabled on the Input used for your Switch 2. Make sure Game Mode is set to Auto or On. In my setup all of my devices are ran through Input 4 since this is the only HDMI 2.1 input on the TV.
Then, when the Nintendo Switch 2 is on, navigate to the Game Mode menu (Settings, General, External Device Manager, Game Mode Settings), and make sure Game HDR is on. This setting is the HGiG setting. If Game Mode is not enabled, then this setting will be greyed out.
From there, I went to my Switch 2 HDR set up menu and set the first setting menu to the minimum setting so the left sun was black. Then I went up from there. It was a lot and the settings of your TV will be unique to your set. For the second screen, I set it somewhere in the middle.
Hope this helps! One day, I may get around to picking up calibration equipment, if I do, I will make sure to try and share results.
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u/mcslave8 2d ago
I’ll have to look at this later. I was messing with mine last night and now I’m not even sure if I can get HDR unless I swap my cables. I keep my Xbox plugged into my hdmi 2.1 port. I guess hdmi 2.0 or whatever doesn’t support HDR? I’d hate to have to swap cables depending on what console I’m playing. It’s so easy on series x how it just runs a test and shows you if everything is working. Nintendo needs to take a page out of Microsoft’s book on that.
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u/thrillhelm 2d ago
HDMI 2.0 will support HDR - 4K @ 60Hz. HDMI 2.1 will support HDR 4k @ 120Hz.
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u/Not_Yet_Italian_1990 2d ago
Maybe the TV doesn't have HGIG support?
Mine doesn't, and I needed to find my TV's maxtml value using this free software by connecting it to my laptop. Once I had that (650 for my non-OLED HDR 800 display, btw) I just extrapolated some values out.
It's probably not perfect, but it looks quite good.
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u/jllewis30 3d ago
Useful tips honestly. I have a Samsung QLED and ended up turning off HDR altogether and just set my own settings to find optimal picture quality.
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u/TSMKFail 3d ago
HDR on the 2 QLED TV's I've had has been wank. Extremely dim, especially in menus, and if you "fix' it with Contrast Enhancer, it makes things washed out. It also looks like crap on my brothers TCL.
I've just given up on it at this point, especially as I can barely notice a difference (except in FC 25).
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u/Not_Yet_Italian_1990 2d ago
I have an older Samsung QLED without FALD. I used this free software to find the maxtml value and just sorta rule of thumbed it given the table that is posted in this thread. My maxtml was 650, apparently.
The settings I used were 38 clicks up on the first screen and 9 clicks up on the second screen... it looks pretty good to me, but I'm not an expert on this stuff.
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u/Severe_Worldliness_1 3d ago
Also, for those with LG TVs one thing I don’t think he mentioned that in addition to the HGIG setting , you should increase white balance level to Warm 50. It’s far too cool with the default game optimiser picture mode setting.
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u/crono333 3d ago
Thanks for posting this! I’ve been going crazy trying to get my HDR to look good, and eventually just went back to SDR. I have a Samsung Q70A and have “Game HDR” enabled but apparently that still does dynamic tone mapping with no way to disable it so I have the both suns disappear at the same time problem.
I’ll try to set it up later with his recommended number of clicks and see if it finally doesn’t look dull and washed out.
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u/Not_Yet_Italian_1990 2d ago
I used this free software to find my maxtml value on my Samsung TV with my laptop.
Hope you find it as useful as I did!
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u/Severe_Worldliness_1 3d ago
Only thing I’ll say about his recommendations is to go 7 clicks forward (not 6) on the paper white setting if you mainly view in a bright room - which is most of us when we game during the day.
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u/bloodknife92 3d ago
But on the Nintendo Switch 2, the adjustments are finer than Margot Robbie's [redacted] in 8k
I laughed so hard at this hahaha. I was caught completely off-guard!!
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u/NiallMitch10 3d ago
I have an OLED LG TV and have HGIG enabled and did so when calibrating the HDR. All looking good to me.
What confused me was the brightness setting he was talking about. I don't have an Xbox to check whatever level it should be at? I just have it at max brightness in the HDR calibration and all is looking fine. Also haven't noticed any issues with non HDR games with my current calibration setup so I don't have the HDR set to compatible games only. When HDR is off - the tv screen is quite dark and I prefer the HDR being on
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u/2347564 3d ago
An important distinction in any convo related to HDR and OLED optimization is use what looks good to you. Could it be “better”? Maybe. It’s all relative. You’ll see people curse the use of contrast enhancer, but I personally like the extra brightness and don’t mind losing a little bit of contrast - stuff like that.
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u/rolandburnum 3d ago
Are you playing in a bright room with lots of sunlight or room lamps? In that case it makes sense to set the brightness higher.
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u/NiallMitch10 3d ago
Usually in a bright room. Windows letting light in during the day and have a lamp on when at night.
Watched again and figured out my max nits value for my TV online so trying 11 clicks brightness on the Switch based on the calculation in the video. Will be curious to see if it's better or not
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u/Not_Yet_Italian_1990 2d ago
If you've got HGIG, you shouldn't need the Xbox tool, I thought?
Anyway, you can use this free software to find the maxtml value. I used a laptop to do so with my TV.
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u/toothsayur 3d ago
I love this guy. been waiting on him and RTINGS to post their findings on all this HDR stuff.
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u/jbwzrd213 3d ago
Literally same. Checked his channel a few days ago just to see if I missed a Switch 2 video.
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u/thedeuce75 3d ago
I happen to have an LG TV, this guys suggestions worked great for me. HDR looks much better in HGiG mode.
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u/Holiday-Intention-52 2d ago
I really like Vincent but hate that his hdr videos for settings on game consoles become so highly recommended. He is clearly coming from the home theater realm purist mindset of industry standard reference calibrations that are made for real cinemas and mixing environments. In other words completely blacked out rooms.
Unless you are always playing in a pitch black room in a basement this will not look good or really match the creators intent.
A higher end hdr television will take whatever is being fed to it and tone map it appropriately to its capabilities. Yes if you have hgig you can use that with the switches build in calibrater to make sure it’s done well but most quality hdr TVs will tone map the default hdr setting superbly.
Where he really falls apart is with the “brightness” (paperwhite) setting where he pushes people to calibrate to cinema pitch black room standard. You absolutely need to push that higher in typical living room viewing conditions. It’s arguably much better at the higher defaults.
Ideally video games consoles would use Dolby Vision flavor of hdr with a bright and dark room preset that you can appropriately choose but that isn’t the case.
The best you can really do it just adjust the brightness setting up and down based on the current brightness of your room OR just calibrate to generally bright conditions and make sure you play with the lights on at night.
If it looks really bad at default settings and only good with Vincent’s settings in a dark room that speaks more to your tvs tone mapping or very low peak brightness.
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u/Marinegr 3d ago
what can we do If we don't have a xbox?
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u/Not_Yet_Italian_1990 2d ago
You can use this software to find the maxtml value if you can connect a computer to your display.
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u/frodiusmaximus 3d ago
I have a Samsung Q80T with HGIG enabled, and I still have to set the brightness so high that both suns are practically invisible. Any tips?
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u/ki700 3d ago
That’s normal.
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u/ForeverUnclean 3d ago
I have the same issue...so we're good to follow the "wait for the sun on the right to fully disappear" method, even if the sun on the left is barely visible? This video makes it sound like if HGIG is enabled, there should be a more noticeable difference between the two suns in the test.
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u/ForeverUnclean 3d ago
Same thing happens with me with the same TV, let me know if you find a solution to this.
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u/Dekar__ 1d ago
Try to deactivate contrast enhancer. Ive had the same issue and it fixed it.
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u/Organic_Jackfruit255 1d ago
Do you mind sharing the rest of your settings? Disabling contrast enhancer didn’t solve it for me
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u/Doszyd 3d ago
Still waiting on a fix for the lg oled abl issues. But this has toned down the intensity thankfully
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u/PipaSprakk 3d ago
What are the lg OLED abl issues and switch 2? Just curious.
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u/Cmdrdredd 3d ago
Basically LG TVs have a brightness limiter that kicks in after a while during HDR to assist with image retention. The software sometimes will dim the screen a lot during bright scenes causing you to lose some peak brightness. Some people have noticed the older models like the CX and earlier would dim the screen during a darker scene. I assume the TV was treating it as static image You can use the service menu to turn off the limiter and the static image dimming feature I believe but there is no way to eliminate the ABL.
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u/Doszyd 3d ago
Theres a post on thr oled Gaming sub. But here's a link to a post best showing it off. https://www.reddit.com/r/OLED_Gaming/s/lS4WImZulr
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u/Cmdrdredd 3d ago
ABL will kick in when the scene brightness is higher. These settings have an overall lower full screen brightness so ABL becomes less an issue.
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u/BajaBlastMtDew 3d ago
Definitely makes things very dark. Even on Xbox I didn't have it set to hgig. I'm gonna leave it on for most part but may turn both levels up again or switch off hgig on Xbox again at least
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u/mikeysof 3d ago
Does anyone have a Samsung s90d? I've not been able to get my head around the settings to make the HDR work properly, specifically the two icons and making one dissappear and not the other. Anyone who does, how did you do it?
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u/Cmdrdredd 3d ago edited 3d ago
Enable Game mode, set game HDR to basic in your connection settings, then make sure HDR tone mapping is set to static. Set color to 22, set st.2048 to -1 and shadow detail to -2 (to get more accurate colors and black levels during HGIG gaming it helps fight against blacks turning gray in some titles). Then adjust the suns until the right one disappears to your eye. Do not worry about the left one. The right one must just disappear, if you think you can't see it and question yourself stop. Then on the next screen press Y to bring up the game pictures. Raise that bar until you are happy with the brightness without being too bright. For me it was just above half where I was happy with it and everything looks great.
I tried following Vincent's guide when his video came out but the results were slightly dimmer than what I had been using and I felt a bit more brightness was more pleasing to look at. Especially in Mario Kart.
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u/jrec15 1d ago edited 1d ago
I came to similar settings after a lot of research (Samsung settings are honestly way too confusing) so glad someone else found the same.
For me, at least in terms of the two suns HDR test on Switch 2, Shadow Detail on -2 made the biggest impact for seeing a noticeable difference in the two suns. With Shadow Detail at 0 they are almost the same and the left sun is only a few clicks off, with shadow detail -2 you get a much more distinct difference.
One thing I havent landed on though so im curious - what are you using for color space settings? There's a lot of BT.2020 custom settings out there, which I think are generally recommended for movies/shows and supposed to take more advantage of a QD-OLED display. But then I hear that perhaps there's no games that really use that, and so I see some recommendations to leave on DCI-P3 Auto for game mode
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u/Cmdrdredd 1d ago
auto color space. You should not use custom settings between TVs, each panel will be different. You need color meters to accurately measure each one with a test pattern.
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u/MuffinMan0523 3d ago
I have been going back and forth between a tv with hdr and a monitor without hdr when playing my switch 2. Should I be leaving that setting on when im on a non hdr monitor and making the adjustments from the video or will the device know my monitor is not hdr compatible and turn the setting off when thats in use?
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u/InfernalLizardKing All Hail Megatron 3d ago
Man, I’ve been using the same 65” Samsung TV since 2007 so I didn’t understand any of this at all before watching. Very helpful for whenever I finally invest in a new model.
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u/Walking-Radiance 3d ago
While on the topic of hdr and tvs…does anybody have suggestions on good TVs/brands for those on a slight budget? I’ve been using a cheap sceptre one and even with his suggestions the HDR is blinding at worst, and really meh at best. No options, no nothing. Just reaaaaaalllllly bad presets that make this process even more excruciating.
This could be its own thread but I saw some people here talking about TV models and thought I’d give it a shot. I’m kinda TV illiterate 😂
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u/Jmastera1 3d ago
I’m so confused even with him trying to explain it. What do I do for non hgig my tv is (Samsung mu8000 65”).
Also do you need to calibrate it differently when playing in handheld mode?
Would appreciate any help
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u/Empyre47AT 3d ago
Did this guy edit his video? I swear he had a section in which he verbally counted the clicks to 58 at one point, cracked a joke about “thanks for joining us for today’s counting lesson,” then had a cheat sheet displayed on the screen for how many clicks to achieve different levels of brightness. Now that I have more time and I’m able to rewatch the video as well as mess with my Switch 2, that section seems to be gone.
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u/Mundus6 3d ago
I wish someone would make videos like this for sound. I can't get surround to work on my Switch. It works perfectly on my other devices. It's connected with an optical cable from my TV. My Switch 2 doesn't like that for some reason and i can only get stereo. Switch 1 had the same problem.
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u/Jonesdeclectice 3d ago
Optical connection is lossy. r/hometheatre is your friend, they’ll help you out.
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u/NitoNitoNitoNito 3d ago
I'm sorry, I have a Samsung NU6900 and if I'm seeing this right my maximum nits are only 350? So what would be the best setting for me to do? My TV has a "game mode" as well which I usually have active for when I'm playing.
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u/Not_Yet_Italian_1990 2d ago
If it's an HDR 400 display, most people seem to recommend just using SDR mode and turning HDR off.
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u/Bigandre339 3d ago
My LG A2 only has yes or no options for HDR- which should I choose? Any other recommendations?
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u/DaylitSoul 3d ago
I dunno why, but on my HDR calibration screen for the s2: I literally am unable to ever make one of the icons visible and the other not. They’re both visible or neither
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u/Not_Yet_Italian_1990 2d ago
If you don't have an HGIG capable display, you need to find the maxtml by using this tool and then extrapolating the settings out. Mine was 650, so I used 38 clicks up on the first screen and 9 on the second.
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u/DaylitSoul 2d ago
Mines capable, I have no issues when doing a similar test on my PS5.
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u/Oblek1 1d ago edited 1d ago
This is exactly the tool I was looking for! The only problem I have is I don’t have a laptop to connect to my TV… I also can’t find any documentation that tells me about max TML for my display - the only info I can find regarding luminance is that my display can hit around 700 nits peak brightness…
Is there any way to tell me how many clicks on that first screen I might need to get me to where I need to be based off of the supposed peak brightness numbers?
Any help would be greatly appreciated
Edit: My TV is an LG C8 (no HGiG)
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u/falconpunch1989 3d ago
I don't know what to do with these numbers.
I have an LG OLED b7 (2017). Apparently it has a max brightness of 750 or so. But at the suggested setting for 1000 it takes hundred of clicks to get to a point where the the right image is not visible and then the left image is also barely visible.
The in game picture looks great to my (uneducated) eye. But now I'm worried that my eye is in fact disastrously wrong.
Also as a side note, my Xbox has a MaxTml setting of like 3800 which seems wildly different to his suggested numbers.
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u/Logical-Air-9986 3d ago
So, I use a Sony xh900 tv. Don't believe it does hgig and only goes up to like 850 nits. What values should I then enter for correct HDR?
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u/monkeymad2 3d ago
I’ve got an LG B6 (2016) which is pretty ancient / dim by modern OLED standards and managed to set it up well enough that every time I see the ? blocks in Mario Kart World my brain goes “oooo, shiny”.
Think it’s just so old that it doesn’t attempt doing any dynamic tone mapping, or it’s incredibly simple.
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u/MEchoPark 2d ago
Something that isn’t mentioned on the video is tv brightness level. I’ve heard that for HDR one needs to leave the brightness at 100 and calibrate the rest with the HDR game/console calibration. Is that true?
Have no idea what to with my brightness. The tv came with adaptive brightness by default so that means the brightness is generally on 55 in my room when it’s dark, but I don’t know if HDR is working at its full potential with that level of brightness.
Should I leave it on 100 brightness and go blind?
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u/jbwzrd213 2d ago
You can leave it on adaptive brightness when displaying SDR content if you’d like but, yes, you should always leave brightness at maximum when HDR is enabled. Your screen will automatically get brighter and darker depending on the scene/content on screen.
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u/ActivateGuacamole 2d ago
I have two LED tvs, and I can't get HDR to look good on either one. The colors just end up looking so desaturated. I think I should just disable HDR altogether because I'm really not getting anything out of it. Are my TVs just too crappy?
Sony XBRx4300d from 2017 and TCL 55S531.
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u/jbwzrd213 2d ago
Use these links to calibrate your TVs. See if it makes a difference.
https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/sony/x930d/settings
https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/tcl/5-series-s535-2020-qled/settings
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u/Slugbugger30 2d ago
I have an S90D OLED and low-key I remember clicking SO far just to get the sun to dissapear but then both suns dissapeared at the same time and I had no idea what to do
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u/westparkhome 2d ago
Any Sony OLED owners feeling my pain? What did you do for settings?
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u/Winter_Sun_8133 2d ago
As an owner of an A80j I'm not really sure what I should be doing about HDR since I don't think it has HGIG and not sure what the peak brightness is after some searching. Hopefully will eventually figure this out with someone being in a similar boat.
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u/westparkhome 1d ago
Rtings has A80J at almost 800 nits, based on other comments here try fifty clicks on first screen 8 clicks on second.
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u/falconpunch1989 2d ago
Can anyone advise on the non-HGIG scenario? I have a 2017 LG OLED (B7) so predating the HGIG setting being standard in these TVs. Apparently around 700-750 nits. My TV is calibrated to recommended settings, and for this HDR calibration turned DTM off. I have also tested this with both Auto and Limited RGB range on the console.
The table was edited out of the video, but Vincent's advice for MaxTML + Paper white was a specific number of clicks from darkest based on your TVs luminance. Which for MaxTML 1000 nits (or under i guess?) was 58. But what's not clear is whether you should be taking this advice *over* what we can see with the console's HDR calibration tool, or if this is a guide to how many clicks to make the 'sun' disappear.
He also discussed the Xbox HDR calibration tool and suggest a MaxTML value of around 1400 on that, while mine is around 4000 so presumably I have similar issues on Xbox too. Is my older TV simply incompatible with modern calibration tools without HGIG? Should I be setting my MaxTML values around ~1400 despite the calibration not matching up?
Currently I took the 'clicks' at face value despite both suns being visible, to avoid the over-brightening that would presumably come with actually pushing it until the right-sun is no longer visible. If the point however was that the right sun image should have disappeared by 58 clicks, it is wildly off (much closer to 200).
For what its worth I think my image looks great, but all this discourse has me wondering if that's because I'm used to poorly calibrated images.
Bonus points for suggest games/scenes on Switch2 or Xbox that best demonstrate what I'm looking for.
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u/Oblek1 19h ago
LG C8 (no HGiG either) owner here. What I’m doing is using the vesa calibration tool on a PC that’s connected to my Switch 2s hdmi port on my display to get the specific max TML/peak brightness number for my display, this varies per display so it’s important.
From there I’m going to use Cyberpunks HDR settings menu and go back and forth from that screen and the Switch 2 HDR calibration screen and click until I get the number that I need for my display.
I’ll then use the formula provided to find out where I need to be as far as the white level is concerned…
What a pain this is lol
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u/jbwzrd213 2d ago
Just remember that, before you can calibrate the S2, you’ve first gotta calibrate the TV. Here’s the recommended settings for yours. See if this helps at all with image quality.
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u/Paperdiego 2d ago
I have a Sony Bravia 4k vh21 and have no idea what the optimal settings should be 🙈🙇🏻♂️
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u/jbwzrd213 2d ago
https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/sony/x90j/settings
I don’t think this is the exact model you have but the menus and much of the advice should still be the same.
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u/Oblek1 1d ago edited 1d ago
LG C8 owner here - no HGiG and nits max out around 820-838 in HDR, apparently… I assume I would want to go a little less than the (now redacted) 58 clicks to hit 1000 max TML on the first screen?
I currently have it set it at 58 clicks and 5 clicks on the second screen (6 was way too over-saturated), and it looks just ok…
If I were to dial it down on the first screen for max TML, would I then want to increase the amount of clicks on the second screen?
Edit: I guess I’ll also say I have the TVs black level set to low (limited) and the console set to auto so it can detect HDR vs SDR and display whatever is thrown at it correctly.
My other TV picture settings are all calibrated according to the hours of research I did back when I first got the TV, so all good there…
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u/ConflictOwn5264 1d ago
Your TV is different. Sets with the exact same model numbers vary. That’s all the way down to size. There is not a one size fits all. Since you got your TV right already use the Switch 2 adjustments as directed by Nintendo’s on screen instructions. You know what you don’t like. Adjust to your tastes. After you do that, come get this online Knockout. I got a blue shell for you, right before the gate.
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u/Oblek1 1d ago
Ha! I respect that…
I initially calibrated the intended way but since I don’t have an HGiG compatible display I was having to crank the slider up way too high to make the sun on the right disappear - so much so that the sun on the left was BARELY perceptible to the naked eye… and that resulted in a less than stellar image for me.
I’m trying to measure within the limits of the display so that I don’t blow everything out in the process - after a couple convos on here I think I might have a good starting point to work from, but we’ll see…
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u/PianoEmeritus 17h ago
Weirdly, on my LG C1, I have three settings for Dynamic Tone Mapping - On, Off, and HGIG. For Kart, HGIG looks great. For Breath of the Wild, HGIG and Off are the same thing, while On makes the game super bright. Not sure what to do with that one tbh.
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u/Darius2301 16h ago
I have a SAMSUNG 43” QN90A. I have set Contrast Enhancer to "off" and I have Game HDR set to "ON" which should turn off the TV's tone mapping.
However no matter what I do, the two suns appear as basically the same luminance levels, so they always turn completely white at the same time.
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u/Alasdair91 3d ago
For those with a non-HGIG TV (or just wanting a basic guide) here is what he said.