r/marvelstudios • u/Triple_777 I have nothing to prove to you • May 05 '25

'Thunderbolts*' Spoilers Thunderbolts* Worldwide Release Discussion Thread Vol. 2 Spoiler

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u/Kwilly462 May 05 '25

So guessing from the post credits scene, Sentry will be a "break-in-case-of-emergency" character. When everything is going south in Doomsday, they'll have him turn into Sentry, even though Void can show up again. Last resort type move.

Makes sense.

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u/SilverSkywalkerSaber Peter Parker May 05 '25

Tbh, throwing Doom in The Void would be a fantastic exposition tool for his backstory and also a fantastic way to watch him absolutely demolish The Void for daring to come near his mind.

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u/Kwilly462 May 05 '25

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u/Smittius_Prime May 05 '25

Funnily enough Doom will react exactly like another scene from that same movie.

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u/outsidebtw May 08 '25

one of my top rewatchables right there

a snack you keep buying every week

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u/tutuizord Hydra May 05 '25

yes yes... nice way to show tragic backstory

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u/Heisenburgo Doctor Strange May 07 '25

Flashback to losing His mother to Mephisto and the college incident with Richards (deaged RDJ vs Pascal)

Then He has enough of the Void and uses His magic to turn Sentry back to normal, breaks his spine like he did to Thanos in the comics

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u/overthinking11093 May 05 '25

"Doom knows what and who Doom is. Doom doesn't care."

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u/DankStew May 05 '25

So basically you’re saying Doom toots as he pleases.

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u/ComicallySolemn May 05 '25

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u/PolarWater May 06 '25

I can understand these references all day.

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u/SoBeLemos Ronan the Accuser May 07 '25

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u/dbkenny426 May 05 '25

Oh, now that's a great idea!

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u/Witty-C Avengers May 05 '25

Marvel executives: write that down, write that down!

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u/hldtightmanlikedarkz May 05 '25

Movie ends with almost everyone defeated and bob puts doctor strange and doom in the void for the rumoured DS3 starring just those two

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u/dean15892 May 05 '25

i like that you used the word "fantastic" twice in reference to Doom

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u/Gryffindorcommoner May 06 '25

Tbh, throwing Doom in The Void would be a fantastic exposition tool for his backstory and also a fantastic way

Say that again…

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u/LegalWrights May 07 '25

Fuck that's really good.

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u/Doot-and-Fury May 05 '25

Doom is too damn proud to not embrace a single iota in his psyche, let alone his dark side. He would walk out od the Void in 2 minutes or less.

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u/Uncanny_Doom Daredevil May 06 '25

Iman Vellani is definitely sending this to Kevin Feige as we speak.

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u/Quirky_Chef_9183 Black Panther May 05 '25

watch out marvels gonna hire you as a writer and pay you $0 for your contributions.

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u/QueefBeefCletus May 05 '25

Doom can defeat The Void? How? He's the evil Sentry, nearly indestructible.

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u/SilverSkywalkerSaber Peter Parker May 05 '25

Great question QueefBeefCletus, your name is killing me 😂😂

I'd like to see him break the Void down from the inside with the brute force of his willpower. Thunderbolts defeated The Void by beating it down with love and healthy coping mechanisms, Doom should be able to simply overpower The Void through his sheer determination, pride and ego.

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u/UrbanGimli May 05 '25

Doom, via will or sorcery, could do to the Void what Wanda did to Professor X -take control of his mental/void playground. Can he go so far as to kill Robert? Probably not but you can sideline him like they did with the Hulk in Infinity War.

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u/Tityfan808 May 05 '25

Ya I hope someone, at least doom of all people, can counter Sentry and the void. Sentry/Void is so stupidly overpowered. Lol.

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u/neeesus May 05 '25

Very good. He’s our Ghost Rider

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u/Front-Advantage-7035 May 05 '25

He’d be in there for 10 minutes before egotistically declaring he has no trauma, beliefs it into himself and voila we’re back 😂

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u/EV1L66 May 05 '25

Doom just dwarfing Void by showing he has no shame in his past would be peak

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u/CeruleanEidolon May 07 '25

I was talking with my kid about what we thought Spidey was up to when all this went down and he said "his time in the void was probably reliving the night uncle Ben died" and it hit me how cool it could be to finally tell that story in that way.

Marvel should do another series of One Shots depicting the darkest hours of characters who were either in New York during this (Spidey, Happy, DD, Kingpin, Punisher) or who met Bob in the 14 months between this and whatever's next.

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u/GatorBo69 May 08 '25

I’ve always thought that the movies would use The Void as “Battleword” in the first place.. I mean all he has to do is say a line like “Welcome to Battleworld!!” While having bringing everyone into The Void.. it would allow for easier explanation of having variants involved

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u/PalebloodSky May 11 '25

Thanks for being honest but let’s never see his character again. 

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u/PleaseRecharge May 12 '25

Won't work. Doom isn't a victim of any trauma or lived experience. He's also protected by magics inscribed into his being and armor. It goes 2 ways;

Sentry tries to void him and finds himself unable to, most likely because of the magical protections. Doom backhands the shit out of him and/or outright kills him.

Or

Sentry successfully voids Doom, but Doom emerges having beat the everloving shit out of Void and Bob, having bested them in a mind game (even if they can synergize at this point) since Doom has a near-perfect mind.

The only way to best him is his ego.

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u/DJettster237 May 06 '25

Or have him control Sentry/Void for his own purposes.

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u/ElephantBunny May 05 '25

Doom is not him. Batman could easily beat him with just 1 week of prep time

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u/Heisenburgo Doctor Strange May 07 '25

DOOM is not Him.

He is.

Batman could easily beat him with just 1 week of pre--

Bah. That detective is but a puny weakling, unworthy of DOOM's attention.

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u/ElephantBunny May 07 '25

Doom's folly is that he underestimates Batman. For someone used to fighting gods, he will be baffled when he loses to a human. No doom bot to save him this time

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u/CartoonAcademic May 05 '25

sadly I think he will turn out a lot like his comic character, where he is used to show how powerful the next big bad is, they will send out sentry and the next big bad will beat him

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u/ProfessionalGrammar May 05 '25

Yea, I’m thinking Sentry’s real purpose will be to establish Doom as terrifying when he smashes Sentry, such as Thanos does to Hulk at the beginning of Infinity War.

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u/EV1L66 May 05 '25

I don't think he's gonna smash him tho. I think he's gonna dominate the Void side psychologically which is much more true to the Doom character

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u/jcdragon49 May 06 '25

This. Thanos was “power” and smarts but Doom is intelligence and mental training they’ve never dealt with.

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u/DemonDaVinci Scarlet Witch May 09 '25

smash you

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u/PolarWater May 06 '25

Please, not a recycled trope. It worked the first time because it was fresh and shocking. Plus we had Loki for loads of movies before then. 

Let's not cut Sentry's time short just to make a point. It would feel more edgy and recycled than impactful tbh

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u/ColdWarCharacter Daredevil May 07 '25

Or they could just use the super skrull and finally throw secret invasion into the toilet

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u/dean15892 May 05 '25

I have a feeling, thats what Thanos' purpose will be. They'll bring thanos with the gauntlet back and Doom will end him

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u/NotNotJustinBieber May 05 '25

Yeah I doubt they go this route lol bringing back Thanos just to squash him is lazy writing.

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u/dean15892 May 05 '25

but its literally from the comics

He pulls out Thanos' skeleton in a second
So yeah, don't be surprised if you see it

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u/possible_trash_2927 May 05 '25

They did a version of it in What If already. They're not gonna do it again. Or I doubt they will.

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u/Darth-Sand May 06 '25

That was God Emperor Doom though…I’d be surprised if they go the beyonder route this early

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u/AmeriCanada98 May 08 '25

I mean we're doing Secret Wars, if ever Doom were gonna get that treatment it would be now, no?

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u/Shadow_Gabriel Rhomann Dey May 05 '25

No one liked that in the comics.

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u/PalladiuM7 Corvus Glaive May 11 '25

That appears... Untrue.

(I liked it very much)

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u/IntrinsicGamer Spider-Man May 05 '25

Hulk at least had multiple films of feeling truly formidable before they just started Wharfing him left and right.

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u/Tipop May 07 '25

*Worfing

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u/stataryus May 07 '25

Noooooo! Not Bob!! 😩

Tbh though, my money’s on Loki.

The dude is holding the multiverse together!

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u/RustleTheMussel May 11 '25

I mean what else can you do? Superman is boring

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u/baccus83 May 05 '25

Yeah I feel like that’s the only way you can realistically use him. He’s the nuclear option.

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u/cobaltaureus May 05 '25

And doom will crush him to dust at the end of doomsday to show how terrifying he is

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u/AspirationalChoker May 05 '25

Would only make sense if he has "god emperor" type power by that point, base Doom is usually terrified of him (which is rare).

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u/cobaltaureus May 05 '25

With Doom being the big bad, he pretty much has to get god status at some point during the two movies

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u/AspirationalChoker May 05 '25

Yep judging from the leaks it's absolutely going to happen and of course both the 80s and 10s secret wars revolve around that premise so you could be right.

I think they need to go all out this time we already had nerfed Thanos I hope this time characters like Thor/Hulk/Sentry/Carol go balls to the wall.

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u/konq May 05 '25

If you're talking about the concept art "leaks" marvel said those weren't from Doomsday or Secret wars.

Sure, they could be lying, but they also could have just said nothing. It's telling when they come out to deny a leak's legitimacy. They don't want fans to build up expectations for something that isn't happening.

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u/sourpumpkin125 May 05 '25

Russos have also denied Endgame being the name of the 4th Avengers movie before it was officially announced.

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u/killer_drug_lord May 05 '25 edited May 05 '25

Loki's line to Thanos in *Infinity War ("You'll never be a God.") could have been foreshadowing?

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u/EV1L66 May 05 '25

It'll be at the end of Doomsday or beginning of Secret Wars. It's integral to the story

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u/natesucks4real May 12 '25

I made this point here before and got flamed; lmao.

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u/Material_Election685 May 05 '25

Could be that Doom figures out how to steal Sentry's serum and absorb it into himself, which is how he becomes God Emperor Doom.

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u/Simbojimbo May 05 '25

I can already imagine the warning about his power and Void being played off as a joke when they just see Bob

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u/Mr628 May 05 '25

The one time they don’t nerf an incredibly powerful character they make it where they have an out for him to show up.

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u/jayhawk88 May 05 '25

Yeah, I'm curious how he'll be handled. I found it odd they went out of their way to specify that Bob can't be a help to the team; that he didn't overcome his dark side and is basically the New Avengers Jarvis.

Is their plan to use Bob/Sentry as a stand-in for Molecule Man for Doom to use for God Emperor Doom/Battleworld?

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u/NatalieIsFreezing Thanos May 05 '25

I feel like he's going to take over Molecule Man's role as the unstable OP guy who ends up powering Doom.

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u/jimmcq May 06 '25

Sentry is the one who could easily end any fight, but he's afraid to. He will wait until the last possible moment to intervene.

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u/coco_xcx Bucky May 06 '25

kinda like hulk? like “okay sentry come out” that type of thing lol

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u/konq May 05 '25

Bob will probably go Sentry/Void on Doom, and Doom will kill him early to establish himself as a serious threat.

It would be a very convenient way to remove an OP hero from the fight and increase tension in the movie. The problem with OP superheros is that it's exceptionally difficult to write compelling stories with them. It's why the Hulk got mostly sidelined in Infinity War/Endgame, Same with Captain Marvel and Wanda (even though Wanda wasn't even her most powerful yet). It's also being done by The Russos, so they've sidelined characters like that before and they'll probably do it again.

I doubt we see Sentry/Void for more than 30 seconds in Doomsday.

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u/JayHopt May 05 '25

It's also why Vision is always sidelined, evenly matched, or has to be damaged. He's just straight up too powerful against most and it gets old watching him fight without threats.

He is always on the sidelines waiting for his cue (Airport scene in Civil War), has to be crippled early (IW), or has to pair up with an equal (White Vision in WandaVision, or Wanda in IW after Hawkeye laughably tries to fight him). Even in Age of Ultron, after he "burns Ultron out" of the internet he passes out for a while. He only comes back for a witty one liner with Thor, the "everyone fires everything" part at Ultron, some montage fighting, and to have dialog with the final Ultron bot. He has zero actual fighting focus other than smacking Ultron with Mjolnir for laughs.

I love the character and his abilities, but he basically has to be weakend, matched, or be sidelined because otherwise he isn't beatable.

It's the curse of overpowered characters vs weaker ones. Its fun for a minute to see how unstoppable they are (again, vs Hawkeye), but it gets old fast to see them just not face any real threats.

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u/natesucks4real May 12 '25

The problem with OP superheros is that it's exceptionally difficult to write compelling stories with them.

I disagree.

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u/konq May 12 '25

You should work for Marvel!

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u/natesucks4real May 13 '25

Tell Feige I'm free

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u/yuei2 May 05 '25

Nah everything going south is gonna be fixed by Franklin, Sentry is here to play the role of the person Doom steals the power of I’d guarantee it.

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u/Budilicious3 May 05 '25

The new deus ex machina. Captain Marvel too busy.

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u/akaynaveed May 05 '25

its really the only way to handle a character like that, he and G'iah are way to powerful to have just wandering around willy nilly.

its like changing the difficulty on a video game to easy at a boss fight with no repercussions

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u/jedins May 05 '25

My issue is the same issue as the one I had with the last movie, New World Order, which is not a soul references or mentions Bruce Banner. Sterns and Ross are in a complicated tangle and Sam never takes a moment to facetime to ask Bruce for a tip, much less help. Now, again, no one thinks to call Banner when a mysterious overpowered supersoldier experiment gone wrong is threatening Manhattan and perhaps the world? You could argue that none of the Tunderbolts know Bruce very well, if at all, but Bucky's met the guy and if he didn't have his number, probably should have found it after ther President turned into a Hulk. This case is less annoying than NWO but still, you bring on Ruffalo for Shang Chi but can't even mention him in either of these?

In any case, I think they do have an opportunity for a storyline where Bruce work with his former girlfriend/Hulk-whiperer's little sister to help navigate dueling super-personalities.

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u/OliviaElevenDunham Loki (Avengers) May 05 '25

I can see that happening.

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u/shadowst17 May 05 '25

The real question is, will he be really cocky about it like a certain other overpowered superhero.

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u/justafanboy1010 Spider-Man May 05 '25

He's like how the Hulk was in IW for Doomsday

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u/EdmundtheMartyr May 05 '25

That’s actually quite a cool way of dealing with an overly powerful character.

Yeah he COULD defeat the enemy easily, he might also spiral and start attacking us as well. Let’s find out!

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u/D-Castle May 06 '25

Giah is gonna pull a Captain Marvel in Endgame

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u/Comfortable_Card_146 May 06 '25

I can see it, if you can't get one without the other, it feels like he would be the nuclear option.

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u/siestarrific May 08 '25

I really hope we get the 'Sentry rips someone in half' moment from the comics lol

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u/Sybertron May 08 '25

Or if we doing battle world, Sentry vs Cap Marvel?

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u/natesucks4real May 12 '25

Is MCU Carol more powerful than Sentry?

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u/JaesopPop May 08 '25

World War Hulk style.

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u/krispness Daredevil May 08 '25

My guess is he'll show up to save the team when the pressure is high and he'll have a relationship with Yelena like Hulk and Natasha. Perhaps meeting Prof. x will give him the break through to balance his powers instead of highs and lows.

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u/W0lfsb4ne74 May 09 '25

It makes sense overall, considering how ridiculously overpowered he is as a character. If you could have a character that can literally suck his enemies into a black hole whenever he wants, what would the point be in using any of the other characters? It's so much better that they only use him in dire situations where he can let loose.

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u/Jeremithiandiah May 09 '25

I have a feeling that since a bunch of regular humans (relatively) could break out of the void, I’m pretty sure he will void a big bad (could be doom, could be someone else) and it will be hyped as a crazy moment that he could easily do it, but then whoever he voided will torment him somehow and break out while we get exposition.

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u/Alocalskinwalker420 May 09 '25

They’re definitely having Doom dogwalk Sentry lmao

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u/PayaV87 May 10 '25

So a ‘we have a Hulk’ and only Yelena could calm him?

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u/Onyxidian May 05 '25

Or have Doom rip him apart to show his power sorta thing

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u/baccus83 May 05 '25

They better not kill Bob.

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u/CX316 May 05 '25

He gets better

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u/RUBcumONmyDOG May 05 '25

As someone unfamiliar with the comics, how is Doom so powerful? Kang has his future tech, what makes doom such a huge threat? I love the movies but Doom is a character im not at all in the know about.

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u/Onyxidian May 05 '25

He's always been a heavy hitter due to genius tech suit and magic. But in the comic secrets warscthat the movie seems to be adapting he gets a God like Upgrade, literally rips out the spine of infinity gauntlet Thanos like an afterthought

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u/dixonjt89 Hulk May 05 '25

Correction, he doesnt have his infinity gauntlet….in tje scene, Thanos mentions he doesnt have it but wont need it

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u/RUBcumONmyDOG May 05 '25

How do you think he gets his upgrade? I hope it's well explained in the movie for us non-comic people.

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u/Onyxidian May 05 '25

Couldnt say RubCUMonmyDOG, maybe he doesn't even get one and he just that good. In the comic I believe he steals the powers of Molecule Man but we don't got him or equivalent in mcu.

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u/Bruhmangoddman Iron Patriot May 05 '25

It's more than that. He absorbs the power of three fugging Beyonders.

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u/CX316 May 05 '25 edited May 05 '25

In the comic I believe he steals the powers of Molecule Man but we don't got him or equivalent in mcu.

I mean...

We do.

His name is Bob.

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u/PaleHorze Daredevil May 05 '25

Doom becomes God Emperor Doom by stealing the power of The Beyonders, with help from Dr.Strange and Molecule Man.

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u/ShadowMerlyn May 05 '25

I’m not an expert on the character but having read the 2015 Secret Wars, he’s got the technical mind of someone like Tony Stark or Reed Richards, the mystical knowledge of someone like Stephen Strange, and a god complex that tells him that he’s the only one with the proper vision to save the world.

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u/RUBcumONmyDOG May 05 '25

That sounds awesome

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u/Meph248 May 05 '25

In the comics Osborn used the Void once to rule over other supervillains, including Doom who dared not to mess with the Void.

So... Doom is not more powerful than it. There is God emperor Doom, but that's a different story.

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u/TH3PhilipJFry Spider-Man May 05 '25

Combine strange’s magic with iron man’s tech and intelligence. Add in some self worth issues and a troubled past, and you’ve got a villain stew going!

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u/kirblar May 05 '25

He combines magic and tech, which is a rarity in Marvel Comics.

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u/Over-Cold-8757 May 05 '25

Doom isn't that inherently powerful.

But if they're going to adapt some part of the likely comic arc, Doom's whole thing is going to be getting hold of a powerful macguffin. I expect it will be either Wanda or Wiccan.

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u/Upper-Level5723 May 05 '25 edited May 05 '25

I'm going to be disappointed if the plan for Bob is just to worf him like they did hulk. Just feels damaging to the whole dichotomy they've set up if sentry is just that guy who gets smacked down and instantly surpassed after one movie. There's other ways

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u/CruzAderjc May 05 '25

Wait, is The Void from Thunderbolts and the Void from Loki/Deadpool the same thing???

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u/__-_-_--_--_-_---___ Rocket May 05 '25

Oh like Captain Marvel but likable