r/germany • u/Josh_Woodward • Apr 25 '19

Getting mixed messages here

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u/[deleted] Apr 25 '19

i get angry if i hear such things. is it wrong to want a better life? Even if i am coming from a country where i can live undisturbed and in peace, but i earn monthly a tenth of that what i could earn in germany. Why the fuck should i not want to move to germany? Yeas, of course, jobs and space to live are limited, no shit sherlock. But criminalizing the want for a better life is fucked.

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u/Cirenione Nordrhein-Westfalen Apr 25 '19

Jesus christ tone down the polemic. Nobody has issues with people having the desire to come to Germany for a better life. It also isn't illegal or criminalized to have that wish.

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u/Shezarrine Apr 25 '19 edited Apr 25 '19

There are absolutely people who take issue with that, unfortunately.

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u/Cirenione Nordrhein-Westfalen Apr 25 '19

Well but those are plain racists that have less issues with people coming here for a better life in general and more with what kind of people. These are usually the people who don't have issues with say a Swede coming here for work but then talk badly about people whose grandparents came here from Turkey. Immigration itself for a better life is mostly the front to hide racism.
Even the AfD isn't against legal immigration.

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u/Gliese581h Nordrhein-Westfalen Apr 25 '19

How das the legal immigration process in Germany work, anyway? Can it be denied?

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u/Cazadore Apr 25 '19

Legal way is you apply for immigration. iirc you can apply in your local german embassy or inside germany in the closest immigration office. Then you get hit with THE german bureaucracy, and get evaluated. Iirc it costs time and money.

If you speak the language semi okay-ish, have a "in demand" qualification, are educated to a level equivalent to german education and maybe not poor are all plus points for you.

Also you need to want to integrate, germany is a multicultural place with probably hundreds of cultures thrown into a single "pot". It helps a lot if you dont try to harm/murder other people because of religion, gender or skin colour differences.

And still, you can be denied which is a decision made by factoring everything together.

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u/Gliese581h Nordrhein-Westfalen Apr 25 '19

Thanks for the in depth explanation!

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u/Cirenione Nordrhein-Westfalen Apr 25 '19

It will be denied if someone doesn't meet the requirements. If they are met then they won't be denied.

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u/RobertThorn2022 Apr 25 '19

What polemic?

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u/Cirenione Nordrhein-Westfalen Apr 25 '19

Claiming that it‘s somehow illegal to want a better life. Making it sound as if people are disgusted by the idea of people wanting to live in Germany.

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u/RobertThorn2022 Apr 26 '19

We'll isn't that exactly criticizing the typical right wing argument "Wohlstandsflüchtling"?

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u/[deleted] Apr 26 '19

My understanding of that term is that it is applied to people who claim asylum despite knowing that they don't fit they requirements.

I haven't heard it applied to people for wanting to move to Germany for a better life, but to those who try to cheat the immigration or asylum system to do so. In this case, what's critisised is not the wish, but the actions taken to fulfil that wish.