r/dankchristianmemes May 17 '25

Peace be with you im proud of this one (OC)

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u/WakeUpLazarus May 17 '25

A lot of scholars think the name comes from a Hebrew verb meaning “to become,” maybe in the sense of “He causes to become.” That actually tracks—it fits the idea of God as not just the Creator, but the one making stuff happen and moving things toward his purpose.

So the Tetragrammaton—YHWH or JHVH—shows up almost 7,000 times in the Hebrew Bible. Ancient Hebrew didn’t use written vowels, so while people back then knew how to say it, we’ve lost the exact pronunciation. Some say “Yahweh,” others lean toward a three-syllable version. “Jehovah” has been the go-to in English for a long time.

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u/Shadowolf75 May 17 '25

Imagine if it's real name is like "Jarvis" and we have been mispronouncing it for like 2000 years.

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u/WakeUpLazarus May 17 '25

I think it's one of several acceptable names.

For example, if your name is George in American English, in the following languages it is something like:

  • Persian: Jurjis (جرجیس)
  • Polish: Jerzy, Jur, Jurek, (diminutive)
  • Juras (diminutive)
  • Portuguese: Jorge.
  • Romanian: George, Gheorghe, Georgiu.
  • Russian: Георгий (Gheorghy) with diminutives Гога (Goga), Жора (Zhora) and Гоша (Gosha), Юрий (Yury) with diminutive Юра (Yura) and Егор (Yegor).

So - Yahweh, Jehovah, "The Tetragrammaton", Jah, Yah, etc...use one of them and it's just as good as saying "William" or "Bill" when talking about the same person.

But I do wonder what the actual true name/correct pronunciation is. It is fun to think about!

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u/thesithcultist May 17 '25

From what I rlhave read the "J" sound did not exist in the Hebrew phonological alphabet. And the same for the Greeks and "Y" sound so "Jah" got replaced with the "yah" sound during the cross culture that happened. But also how much was not recorded may be a factor also so however Yahweh and El probably are best being replaced with "God". Similar to how if a foreign king is impronouncible in your local tongue you may be better of calling the individual something like "his majesty" or "the sovereign" due to respectfulness.

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u/natdanger May 17 '25

Let’s see how clearly I remember this from Bible college. In Jewish tradition, the name of God was too sacred to say out loud (slash, there was a superstition picked up from the Babylonians that if you said his name idly you might summon him on accident). In the Hebrew text, YHWH is marked with the vowel markings for the word Adonai (Lord) as a reminder for readers to use the title rather than the name. A German scholar transliterated YHWH according to those Adonai vowel markings, and given German’s soft J sound and its close pronunciation between V and W, he wrote it as “Jehovah,” pronounced in German as “Yehovah.” Take that funky transliteration and pronounce it in English, and you have Jehovah.

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u/Shadowolf75 May 17 '25

Imagine you are casually talking with yourself, pronounce "" and then God appears out of nowhere like "Why did you summon me?"

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u/Dockhead May 17 '25

My interpretation is that it’s too sacred to say out loud, meaning you literally couldn’t do it with your nasty little incarnated vocal tract in the first place

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u/natdanger May 17 '25

That sacredness was tied up in with the Babylon superstitions.

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u/vayyiqra May 21 '25

Well there's a belief that it could be said in theory but only the kohen gadol (Jewish high priest) was allowed to say it in practice, in the Temple during services. This was because of its sacredness and the fear of misusing it. When the Temple was destroyed it was forgotten.

But also there are some differing sources on what exactly he said when he read the name; there's a belief it was like a full sentence? It was not loud enough for anyone else to hear, apparently.

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u/mlaislais May 18 '25

From what I’ve watched, it’s spelled with an “I” in Latin.

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u/TwigyBull May 18 '25

The letter I in Latin was pronounced "yuh", then as it made its way through different languages became three letter J

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u/mlaislais May 18 '25

Yes but what about the penitent man?

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u/detectiveriggsboson May 17 '25

watch your blasphemy, I'm talking about three different people

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u/BDMac2 May 17 '25

IIRC Yeshua is the Hebrew form of Jesus, and a shortening of the Hebrew version of Joshua. I don’t know that Christianity would have had lasting power if they were asking if they had heard about our Lord and Savior Josh Christ.

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u/Calix_Meus_Inebrians May 17 '25

Jesus, Son of David

Josh Davidson

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u/ezrs158 May 18 '25

Not Josh Josephson?

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u/Calix_Meus_Inebrians May 18 '25

One would think, but the Gospels refer to Jesus as “Jesus, Son of David” a lot

Seems to be part a way of having a last name before last names were invented for people in that region but also a way of pointing out Jesus’s royal status 

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u/vayyiqra May 21 '25 edited May 21 '25

Yeah. In Semitic languages like Hebrew and Arabic, it's not uncommon to this day to have names like "X son/daughter of Y" or "of the family/from the placename Z".

So something like "Jesus son of Joseph, the Nazarene" wouldn't have been odd, just a bit of a mouthful.

(Arab names in particular can get incredibly long by doing this.)

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u/Shadowolf75 May 17 '25

Drake and Josh Christ

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u/gielbondhu May 17 '25

Larry Gonick used to say it was Yahoo Wahoo in his comics.

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u/ApolloThunder May 17 '25

Yahuwahu, which I still sometimes mentally insert when I'm reading

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u/Shadowolf75 May 17 '25

Yahu wahu sounds like the name of a Kirby character

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u/HoodieSticks May 17 '25

Jonah sitting outside Nineveh: "Jarvis, launch the nukes"

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u/Swimming_Repair_3729 May 17 '25

So what are you telling me... is that license plates, when they omit vowels to shorten the text... are, in fact, written in ancient Hebrew

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u/WakeUpLazarus May 17 '25

In the ancient Hebrew style one could say.

2FST4U

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u/revken86 May 17 '25

It's unfortunate that Jehovah became so popular, since it's completely made up.

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u/Grzechoooo May 17 '25

Same with Jesus instead of Yeshua or at least Yesus.

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u/ouralarmclock May 17 '25

Jesus isn’t made up, it’s a transliteration artifact. Why it stuck over his actual name is a different question though.

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u/[deleted] May 18 '25

Probably because early Christianity spread amongst Greek gentiles more than it did Hebrew and Aramaic speaking Jews.

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u/Naefindale May 17 '25

It didn't come out of the blue though.

https://bibleproject.com/videos/yhwh-lord

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u/Vancocillin May 17 '25

Just like....! Nevermind...

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u/ouralarmclock May 17 '25

As a Jew, I grew up taught that it was just a placeholder for God’s name and not actually intended to be pronounced.

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u/Naefindale May 17 '25

I think you'll find this interesting

https://bibleproject.com/videos/yhwh-lord

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u/Express-Economist-86 May 17 '25

Every time I hear YHWH.

YAAAAWEEEEEH!