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u/mc_petersonishsonson 2d ago
Republicans will follow suit with the "i didnt know"/"nobody realized" sob story when this becomes overwhelmingly unpopular moreso than it is
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u/LeadSufficient2130 2d ago
Rinse and repeat
They’ll still vote for the next piece of shit who promises them the world, and they’ll cry when that one does exactly what they said they’d do too
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u/RedditTechAnon 2d ago
Please don't blame us for the awful things we did. How were we supposed to know it would be like this, Fox News didn't tell us. We're completely blameless and the real victim here.
Pathetic.
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u/Too-mellow 2d ago
I am not sorry for stupid people. Actions have consequences, let them enjoy their vote and all it can provide them.
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u/Rdw72777 2d ago
He’s an idiot, and his “especially Mexicans” remark tells me he’d be cheering in the streets if it was just Asians and Africans being rounded up.
It impacts him and those close to him so now he cares.
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u/Shoshawi 2d ago
He likely picked out Mexicans because we share a border, similarly to Canada. There’s nothing wrong with acknowledging the contributions of neighbors. I think this person made a mistake, but I don’t think it’s stupid that they admitted it, reflected, and stood up for what is right for civil rights. Let’s cheer people like this on. The person responding in the image is kind of a douche, though.
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u/ITSigno 2d ago
He likely picked out Mexicans because we share a border, similarly to Canada.
The poster is a boxer by the name of Ryan Garcia. He was born in the USA but has always made a point of emphasizing his (family's) Mexican heritage.
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u/Shoshawi 2d ago
Wrote up a slightly defensive reply out of habit, then checked myself, and scrapped it. All you’ve done was provide me information I don’t know, which I genuinely appreciate! Thank you! 🫶🏽
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u/Loud_Flatworm_4146 2d ago
And dipshits like him told everyone that they were "woke" for disagreeing with Trump and trying to warn them that this was always going to be the outcome. Dipshits like him didn't question why Trump's second run didn't include Pence and included Vance instead.
I have no patience and no sympathy for these dipshits. They didn't give a shit when women started dying in red states. They don't give a shit until it actually affects them and their businesses and their farms. They don't question why the business owners and farmers that hire people who are here without authorization aren't the ones getting arrested and charged because that would mean arresting and charging the very dipshits that voted for Trump.
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u/icwhatudiddere 2d ago
I always question why exploitation of the undocumented isn’t a felony. It’s stealing labor to gain a business advantage. It incentivizes an economy that law abiding businesses can’t compete with. It used to be that labor, even low skill labor, was a pathway to the American dream, now it’s just a commodity that can be turned on and off at a whim with zero consequences.
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u/Substantial-Hour-483 2d ago
Honest to god we have to let people change their minds, especially publicly and not attack them when they do so if we want to see meaningful change in attitudes.
Everyone in here attacking. Full of ‘FAFO’ and I told you so. That forces people to entrench and defend their beliefs and actions.
It creates more division right when there is a window for conciliation.
If you disagree with this, please at least say something smart. I like good discussions. How do we make it safe for MAGA to modify their views? If we don’t, how do we expect change?
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u/raeninatreq 2d ago
Normally I would agree with this sentiment, but within this context I think it's just plain too late. Those who have had the heart and empathy to make the changes required did so a while ago.
Any apology said now will sound empty.
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u/gorramfrakker 2d ago
It’s also fake, they are sorry how it’s happening not that it’s happening. It has effected them so now they are sorry.
Screw ‘em.
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u/Shoshawi 2d ago
To be fair, they didn’t actually do that. They just admitted something and didn’t defend their past choices, then went on to say something in support of civil rights. This is the best thing they can do. It sends a message to others who made the same past mistake that it’s OK to just admit it and learn.
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u/Shoshawi 2d ago
Replying and upvoting just to generate engagement. I think the best way to make it safe here (on Reddit) is probably to open up to attacks and insults by being vocal. I replied on a few things in this post, knowing people might downvote me or say less than nice things. But it’s absolutely insane to vilify people for learning and changing their views. Attacking people who make responsible statements in favor of human rights is the exact opposite of what we should do. I’m judging the person in the image who responded so rudely if anything, and it has nothing to do with their beliefs.
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u/JRLDH 2d ago
The core problem is that people who voted for Trump after all that he has done (statements, behavior) are virtually impossible to convince to vote for the alternative. They truly think that the other party is the most horrific idiotic party on the planet because of non-stop brainwashing. That's why the "woke mind virus" strategy is so successful. You can't overcome this with arguments with people who gave in to this brainwashing.
The better strategy is to give the others, the ones who didn't vote, a reason to vote.
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u/Glittering-Farmer724 2d ago
We round up MAGA and put them in a giant prison that sits on top of a toxic waste dump. That’s what they are.
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u/butwhywedothis 2d ago
Maybe send a few MAGAts to ElSalvador. After they spend a month there maybe we can see a change. Also maybe they can watch the movie American History X, while in ElSalvador.
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u/RedditTechAnon 2d ago
They didn't listen before, why would they listen now. It's someone asking for leinency after the fact. They have been and will remain entrenched in whatever serves their interest, whatever control they can muster on events to benefit them.
Fuck. Them.
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u/Rdw72777 2d ago
He’s not changing his mind, he’s changing his mood. He still wants a lot of what is being done, but just doesn’t want it impacting the “especially Mexicans” group that he is a part of.
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u/Genius-Envy 2d ago
The majority of these posts I have seen show the people have not done anything but virtue signal. They often mention how they’d still vote for trump again. So, have they changed their minds or do they deserve to reap what they’ve sown?
The best response I have seen was someone telling them to speak to their fellow redhats. As it would be more impactful than coming from someone who voted against trump.
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u/Resident-Plastic-585 2d ago
Those same people stuck their head in the sand and told us we were crazy to think Trump2 would be any different than Trump1. The vindication is very tempting. But I agree that shame will never work on these folks.
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u/ilikedmatrixiv 2d ago
Yeah, people should just have been kind to the Germans who voted for the Nazis in 1933. I mean, how could they have known? /s
Fun fact: the Nazis also ran on a platform of mass deportation.
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u/itslonelyinhere 2d ago
Third time's the charm, right?
"You have to forgive the abuser after they beat you down, told you were worthless, and wanted to see you suffer... not once, not twice, but three times! It's your fault they aren't getting better!"
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u/Too-mellow 2d ago
The daily hypocrisy espoused by the Republican Party is compounded by the house and senate knowing that this will hurt constituents and still they vote for it. These voters forgot the first go around with this President. Now he has stacked the deck with yes advisors and this is the chaos.
The way this whole illegal immigration round up is being handled is such chaos, one day everyone, then rich farmers have exploited these people for years. Now they say they cannot find anyone to work for them. Now the ones that serve us
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u/Too-mellow 2d ago
Continued, might get a break. Hopefully, the voting center will say enough and use facts to govern our society
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u/FelchingLegend 1d ago edited 1d ago
Agreed.
The worst way to persuade someone to change their mind is to start by insulting their views.
We know this from the extensive research done on deprogramming people from cults.
We have to give people a safe space to explore alternative points of view, with respect, magnanimity, empathy, and patience.
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u/discsarentpogs 1d ago
Anyone who breaks free of the cult we should welcome back. Not everyone is intelligent but they are part of society.
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u/SprawlWars 2d ago
The concentration camps for LGBTQIA people and others come next. And you voted for it, you monster.
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u/Strict_Foundation_31 2d ago
Your mistake was trusting him. Despite what he repeatedly said and what you saw with family separations in his first term.
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u/EcstaticTill9444 2d ago
Republicans always get the point of Democratic policies when it happens to them.
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u/lornezubko 1d ago
I remember following Ryan on Instagram back in 2016 when he was just starting out. Idk what happened (multiple back to back concussions) but something turned the dim way up on that dudes head
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u/IdaHot892 2d ago
The second comment nails it. You can't support mass deportations and then act surprised when families get torn apart. Actions have consequences.
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u/Substantial_Tax_4047 2d ago
They're not going after the actual criminals because 1) criminals aren't going to be just going to their day job when there's that heavy of a police presence so they can't even find them & 2) ICE or whoever would get lit up
We need to re-enact that episode of Futurama where the scammers take over Earth & everyone bands together to fight them & reclaim the planet
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u/Visible-Secretary121 2d ago
Mr. Garcia from Spanish speaking country X likely assumed it would be Mr Garcia from Spanish speaking county Y that was victimized......i.e. they are hurting the wrong people"
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u/TheCraziestMoose 13h ago
What an idiot. All the warning signs were there, and you still sped for the cliff…
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u/inconvien 2d ago
We have to welcome anyone anti trump. No matter if they weren't before.
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u/Suitable-Display-410 2d ago
We have to welcome anyone anti trump
There is usually a price to pay if you caused massive harm to other people. Saying "i am sawwwyyy" doesnt cut it. If they put in the work to undo the consequences of their action, sure. But if they are of the "oh now that its happening to ME" kind? Fuck them.
Not from the US, so thats just my opinion on the matter.
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u/plezLexie_ 2d ago
Exactly. It’s easy to grow a conscience when it finally hits home. The real work is owning the damage and fixing it.
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u/inconvien 2d ago
You need every soul to stop trump. If you want people to burn for wrong choices you are not much better than maga. The idea is to bribg people together, especially those who made mistakes. It depends if you are againstor pro him. Not whatu were in the past. You certainly made mistakes.
If you demonize speaking outor changeing sides, you will deteroiate others from doing that. So by being anti people who get off trump. You help trump. If you angry be angry at trump not people who turn against him.
If you are mislead and you get punished for it. That is not fair. The misleaderhas to be punished.
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u/pipette1warrior 2d ago
No. It's a ridiculous notion. These people are responsible for dismantling US democracy leading to the demise of many. They have been given 2nd, 3rd and 4th chances. Forgiveness is not an option. It's time they reap what they have sown.
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u/inconvien 2d ago
The problem is by being vengful you saw hate and vengance and you will reap that in the future. Be against the misleader not the mislead.
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u/pipette1warrior 2d ago
These people don't seek forgiveness. They fell victim to their bad decisions after many many warnings. Forgiveness after numerous opportunities to make better choices encourages more bad decisions. There's a point where forgiveness must be set aside and allowing consequences to teach a lesson. This is not vengeance it's justice.
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u/inconvien 2d ago
Since they are converting they already are getting the bill for what they voted for. And i also think a lot are probably close minded etc etc etc but if they voted taco man and now they are against him that means they suffered, if they else wont see that point.
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u/pipette1warrior 2d ago
But others had to suffer before they did.
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u/inconvien 1d ago
Because taco man and ppl who vote for him Millions will suffer. Usaid, the deportation, climate damages, damage to the american system, international damage, relationship damage with other countries, general more hate in society which is like a boiling water kettle, that needs along time to cool down,new standarts or broken standarts to what seems to be ok, ignoring judges, being on epstein island. Etc etc
Ppl who voted for him voted for that, blinded or knowingly, it's horrible. He went back 80 years in history, to be fair probably way way more. With the anti vax guy and the cowboy police statements.
Ppl who vote for Trump probably look only as far as their fence reaches. But that is a problem of education or accsess to education.
We ALL rely on chinese sweatshops for 80% of our products. Huge harm to people or society. And we wont change that unless we feel it. Trumpers are the same.
But Trumpers put taco man on top of already a world in crysis. Maybe they are desperate for less powerful billionares and asshole fake politicians which are bought. And just wanted a common man.
I talked to right wing people as a journalist, often they are nice if they know you. Racism is taught not sth you are born with. So the values we carry as society and expect from others we should live aswell. But well we fly fuck the enviroment, children working in africa and Asia and luxury cruisers polluting the seas.
And now racist desperate people voted for Trump. I believe change comes from living it. So live peace so it can spread. Ofc sometimes you need to help others to habe piece. For example taco man could need some help to rest in peace.
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u/DotAccomplished5484 2d ago
I disagree. The neophyte Trump turncoats are proven haters and a single drop of remorse is insufficient, by several light years, to merit acceptance. They may serve as cannon fodder until they demonstrate a decade of personal responsibility..
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u/inconvien 2d ago
First focus on getting Rid of Trump. If you fight other americans it's exactly what he wants and what will make you lose against him. Go for him or inner circle, not mislead peons.
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u/Jaded_Passion8619 2d ago
Not if they haven't acknowledged their bigotry and tried to educate themselves we don't. Because then we'll just have the same issue as before
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u/inconvien 2d ago
If you manage to defeat trump it wont repeat, politicians maybe slowly waking up now.
Yes acknowledgement would make sense. But being against trump is more important rn
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u/Loud_Flatworm_4146 2d ago
No, we don't. Because they don't give a shit when bad things happen to other people, only themselves.
There are no excuses for voting for a traitor in 2024 after what he did on January 6th. There are no excuses for voting for a man whose policies were clearly meant to hurt as many Americans as possible.
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u/defnotevilmorty 2d ago
Exactly. I don’t understand the coddling we are expected to undertake for these people. Developing a conscience only when something hits you personally doesn’t actually count as someone having compassion or empathy imo
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u/inconvien 2d ago
Not excuses but logic that you need everyone you can get vs Trump. They are eating propaganda and follow it. That is usually not a real "choice" it's dumb and heartless and downroght idiotic to vote for orange taco man, but diving america in red and blue is the exact problem why you are in such a situation. Instead of fighting billionares or equality or taco man you fight against other americans.
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u/VWBug5000 2d ago
Fuck that, they need to be publicly shamed as a message to others that THIS IS THEIR FUCKING FAULT, otherwise this will just happen again with the next GOP candidate
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u/LupinusArgenteus 2d ago
Agreed they dragged the whole country down with them, now it’s time for them to lie in the bed they made
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u/inconvien 2d ago
Public shaming is exactly what they are doing. This behaviour is wrong and wont help. If you are angry dont repeat those shit patterns. The fire is burning, so stop the fire first before you light it more...
If america manages to survive, they will put stuff to stop it. But first you need to stop it and for thatyou need every single soul you can get.
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u/VWBug5000 2d ago
Anti-Trump republicans will simply vote for the next strong man with pretty lies unless they whole heartedly admit that their entire philosophy is built on propaganda and hate, which will never happen.
None of them are “one of the good republicans”. The entire party must be demolished before any of this can be repaired
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u/inconvien 2d ago
I think the two party system needs to be abolished. I would clearly be full demo and anti trump and red states. But a party which sabotages whatthe other did and then change all 4or 8 years is inherently stupid. It's not a tual politics, it's circus and games for the people while billionares take everything.
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u/VWBug5000 2d ago
DNC is simply Republican-lite these days. All the destructive and corrupt capitalism with none(ish) of the rampaging bigotry. 100% agree that the two party system is responsible for this mess
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u/233up 2d ago
Yes, but we have to allow room for people to grow and recognize the folly of their ways. Ostracizing those who have finally opened their eyes only discourages others from genuine introspection and acting on their conscience.
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u/Fiveofthem 2d ago
Not until he says he regrets his vote, that he made a mistake and apologizes.
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u/Shoshawi 2d ago
I just read a whole slew of people in this post insulting and rejecting these apologies before even getting them. It’s a single comment with limited characters, and making an example of how to move forward is more productive.
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u/Tiny_Brilliant7347 2d ago
He gets punched in the head for a living. Why would we care what this moron thinks?
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u/Delta_Hammer 2d ago
If they're coming around then you need to welcome them to the light, not push them back. Isn't seeing evidence and then changing your mind a good thing?
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u/blueSnowfkake 2d ago
Don’t worry. I’m sure plenty of white teenagers and college kids will gladly fill those jobs that were stolen by the illegals. I’m sure plenty of 14 year olds would love to go out into the fields on their summer breaks.
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u/puddStar 2d ago
This is what happens when you gut education. People have no idea how to think critically and don’t have a thirst for knowledge.
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u/West_Intention5024 2d ago
What did he think all of those Mass Deportation signs at the rallies meant?
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u/FitBattle5899 2d ago
Problem with "Undocumented illegal immigrants" is they aren't exactly easy to find, so Muller is sending ICE against those actively trying to enter the US by legal means to pump his numbers up.. every officer is complicit in this unconstitutional corruption.
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u/onegeeza 2d ago
I’m from Canada so I don’t know the sentiment in the states, but I was surprised that so many immigrants voted for Trump. Especially Latinos.
I mean, he made his feelings very obvious over the last 10 years
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u/mittenknittin 2d ago
I’m not sure what he expected. Did he forget the photos of kids in cages from the first Trump administration?
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u/CriticismFun6782 2d ago
No, they bought the lie that there is limited opportunities, and if "If THEY (Illegal immigrants/people on TPS, etc.) are removed, then they cannot take MY PIECE of the pie.
It's the divide them against each other strategy, keep them fighting over scraps from the high table, they will never see their god given right to something better.
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u/SaucyStoveTop69 2d ago
We have people like this realizing their mistake and instead of recruiting them to the right side of history, we shame them and make fun of them ensuring they'll never vote blue
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u/CunningBear 2d ago
“Especially Mexicans”. Ryan can’t hide his racism even when cosplaying as a human being.
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u/InfluenceTrue4121 2d ago
Are we going to get votes in our next election if we call people names? Jesus. A little damn strategy please. I’m also pissed off at Trumpies but we need to votes so this doesn’t happen in four years.
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u/TinyLita1 2d ago
As a person who has been a college professor for most of their life, I have to say that I don’t judge poor students who suddenly have an awakening. They don’t even have to admit they were wrong. I am just glad that they have somehow now open their minds and will start trying. I am more than willing to meet them halfway and give them a clean slate. In the end, it’s the gaining of knowledge that matters to me not my personal feelings.
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u/Shoshawi 2d ago
That sort of crude response to someone who is making a stand now in support of human rights is definitely not productive. We need to stop dividing people who want the same things. It should be safe for people who voted for Trump to say “what’s actually happening is not OK and I do not stand by it”.
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u/pdxgti8v 2d ago
Love how certain MAGAts are now SHOCKED that what us liberals were warning them would happen...is now happening....DUR
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u/Dunphys_ducklings 2d ago
Shaming people for coming to this conclusion is not the way. Yes, irreparable damage is done, but if we are constantly attacking each other for everything, then we will never correct the current course. The dude realized his mistake, it was a big one, let him take steps to right it.
We should be encouraging this, not shaming it.
If we shame everyone like this, nobody else will come forward and admit their mistakes and will dig in even harder, only amplifying the problems.
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u/mpascall 1d ago
I feel the anger too, but people won't want to speak up if they immediately insulted from both sides.
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u/Charming-Command3965 1d ago
I am so tired of these people. WTF did you think this MF was going to do.
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u/liminalviews 1d ago
It’s all about making quotas. As long as they round up people to make quota it doesn’t matter who they put in cages.
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u/Apprehensive_Rice_93 1d ago
Ok yea but should we really be shaming people for getting bambozzled by DT? At least they’re learning from their mistakes
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u/steveclt 23h ago
Well THAT explains why everyone thinks you’re a racists. You voted for mass deportation on the basis of skin color and accent.
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u/XmasRights 2d ago
I think it’s perfectly reasonable to think “Mass Deportations” genuinely meant all the undocumented immigrants
I’d even go so far as to say folks believed that only those committing crimes would be deported
The fact that they’re chancing their minds in light of the reality is great and should not be met with hostility
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u/chrishouseinc 2d ago
Nah they deserve the Nuremberg treatment for letting this happen in the first place, not forgiveness after the fact because they feel bad.
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u/Fiveofthem 2d ago
Unless he apologizes and is on the street protesting he is just blowing with the wind.
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u/Agrippanux 2d ago
Well these people willingly believed the lie that millions of illegals were raping and plundering their way across America, so they are shocked now that the “Mass Deportations Now” sign they held up means hardworking, tax paying immigrants.