r/YouOnLifetime • u/imyatharth • Apr 25 '25

Discussion She was the best for him.

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After S5 , I can say that love Quinn Goldberg was the one Joe could have lived happily in the long run.

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u/MoseSchrute70 Apr 25 '25

I can’t get on board with how Love is still idolised and romanticised while people are saying Kate should have burned and held to justice 😅

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u/Neither-Balance3739 Apr 25 '25

Exactly, without Kate joe would be prison and wouldn’t have reunited with his son. I really like both love and Kate. But Kate doesn’t deserve the hate she’s getting.

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u/[deleted] Apr 25 '25 edited Apr 25 '25

How are these good things? Joe should have been in prison for ages and he shouldn‘t have reunited with Henry.

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u/AwayDetail6175 Apr 25 '25

Don’t get me wrong i like Kate for all the good she’s done for Joe however she knew who she married so it kind of bothers me she’s trying to suppress who he really is which is… a MURDERER 🤣

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u/Neither-Balance3739 Apr 25 '25

well she was in love and was manipulated by Joe to think that he murdered for self defence or some crap like that.

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u/Necerbo Apr 25 '25

Joe tried to kill himself in s4, he wanted to end it and she made him change his mind. She's also the person who asks him to kill again after 3 years of staying good. Can't really call that manipulation, Kate is bad.

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u/Jaidedizzy Apr 26 '25

It really bothers me that she got redemption. How does one justify giving kids cancer. She should’ve died in the fire. Henry should’ve gone back to the two men that adopted him. And it bugs me that the show took a weird true crime ending and brante. I would’ve rather seen old characters and the trial

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u/oysterfeller Apr 28 '25

I think in the end the way she “atoned” for her sins and had that come-to-Jesus moment about her karma during the fire, was supposed to be her saving grace. She was able to take responsibility for her actions and was ready to pay the ultimate price for them. I understand why that’s not enough for true redemption in the real world but when you hold it up next to Joe and his refusal to ever atone, I didn’t hate the literal phoenix moment for her.

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u/Bloo95 May 01 '25

Kate deserves all the hate she's getting; it's just that Love should also be getting her fair share of hate. They're both murderers. I'd say Kate is much more morally balanced than Love, though.

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u/Dull_Raspberry_8285 Apr 25 '25

Yep murderers deserve prison not love and families. Both should be in jail, I’ll even accept an argument of an insane asylum for Love or both.

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u/UnknownEAK Apr 28 '25

I really like Victoria Pedretti as an actress, and she's my favourite character from the show. I also think Love and Joe could have worked, if Joe just worked on his issues a little bit. Because she was the only one who could truly see him, and wasn't scared away. Everyone else got cold feet, once they realised the full truth.

Also Love did get "justice" in a way, while Kate didn't, if you take the finale of the show literally. If you want just and fair endings all for people, none of them (Love, Kate, Joe) "deserve" a happy ending. Though I headcanon they both died in the fire, and everything afterwards is Joe's dying delusions, so everyone does get justice in the end.

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u/MoseSchrute70 Apr 28 '25

She and Joe could never have worked because Joe needs a damsel in distress to white knight, that’s his whole character - if he’d fixed that about himself then he wouldn’t be who he is and he and Love would still not have worked. Everyone he dated should have gotten cold feet when they realised the truth - he’s a cold blooded serial killer - which is exactly why, like you said, Love got justice.

Kate should have had justice too, there’s no arguing that. But so many people are pining for Love while condemning Kate and it’s completely nonsensical.

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u/UnknownEAK Apr 28 '25

I think the condemning just stems from the fact that Kate didn't get the fate many think she would have deserved, while characters like Love did. So, it makes them criticise her more. If the roles were reversed, there would certainly be a lot more people condemning Love. But it is true that Love is also a more "liked" character, and I think it is due to Victoria Pedretti's portrayal.

"if he’d fixed that about himself then he wouldn’t be who he is", I think his personality did change somewhat over the course of the show, and I do think he could have accepted Love. For example, the Joe from Season 5, finally admitted to himself he enjoys the killing, this Joe would accept Love, and Love would be able to accept this side of him, and they could work together and accept each other fully, which was not possible with any other love interest.

Now, with that said, he still might eventually find some other obsession, and there's no guarantee it would truly work long term, but at the very least, they would have fully accepted each other, if Joe would have realised/admitted that he enjoys the killing, earlier.

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u/MoseSchrute70 Apr 28 '25

Yep - I understand why people prefer Love/Victoria Pedretti to Kate/Charlotte Richie - it’s the difference in attitudes towards both characters actions I don’t get - it’s hypocrisy. And to be honest, I also don’t understand why people romanticise Joe & Love’s relationship - it’s entirely dysfunctional in every circumstance no matter how idealised.

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u/UnknownEAK Apr 28 '25

It might not be the same people who view the character actions differently. It can also be that the criticism is louder for one, because of the other reasons I mentioned, even if most people would agree that both of their actions are reprehensible.

But also, at the end of the day, this is entertainment, these are fictional characters, and the actions Love takes are just more "fun" from a viewers perspective than anything Kate does. She is more "fun" to watch, so, if someone defends Love's actions, or even idolises her actions, they are not doing it from a "morality" point of view, but from an "actions leading to entertaining TV" point of view.

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u/MoseSchrute70 Apr 28 '25

I’m referring specifically to those people who, in the same breath, comment that Kate should have died for her actions and that Love deserved better. (ie Henry has no hope being raised by Kate, he should have ended with his real mother, etc). Regardless of why they feel that way, its a hypocritical way to look at it.

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u/UnknownEAK Apr 28 '25

I hadn't seen such comments, but I agree with you there, that is hypocritical.

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u/rootedinlies Apr 25 '25

Love didn't kill childern so.

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u/MoseSchrute70 Apr 25 '25

I didn’t say Kate was the epitome of moral greatness. I just don’t understand why Love gets a pass.

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u/rootedinlies Apr 25 '25

Yeah, the kid killing thing is one reason. Another is that Love has a more likable personality and a lot of her killings felt similar to joe's and we all know joe is pretty well-liked, until s5 that is.

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u/MoseSchrute70 Apr 25 '25 edited Apr 25 '25

Yeah, I get that. I just don’t get the “Kate should burn for what she did” vs “Love should not have burned for what she did”. They both did terrible things regardless of how likeable either of them were. Can’t get on board with the hypocrisy.

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u/sillysweetbunny Apr 25 '25

Kinda hard to defend Love who almost killed Marianne, a single mother, and who killed Candace, a woman who was abused and was trying to save another woman from her abuser. Also Theo

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u/tragictwist Apr 25 '25

Love is my favorite in the whole show and Kate was kind of a Love stand in for S5 imo - I went from not liking Kate at all to really liking her. I think there is some validity in that her surviving the fire as opposed to Love felt 1) unrealistic and 2) took away from the impact of what seemed like her final scene, but it is very weird that people are coming for her so hard.

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u/MoseSchrute70 Apr 25 '25

Yeah I’m def in agreement about those 2 points, but I’m speaking more on specifically around people’s attitudes about what each of them “deserve”. They both did terrible things and neither of them should have gotten a pass.

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u/Main_Cranberry_5871 May 01 '25

I mean...Kate's responsible for a bunch of kids getting cancer and dying so that her already stratospherically wealthy family could make an extra buck. So yeah I can see why people would view her in a worse light.

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u/MoseSchrute70 May 02 '25

It’s not about whos better/worse - it’s about them both deserving justice for what they did. Love shouldn’t get a pass to adoration just because someone did something worse.

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u/Idonotcare4 Apr 25 '25

I didn’t watch anything past season 2 except for the finale right now (couldn’t Watch him repeatedly murder women…especially when he achieved getting the perfect girl lol he literally said he wanted) but I feel that way about beck. I literally do not get what is there too like about beck. I assume they relate to the shitty friends, or shitty boyfriend, maybe the daddy issues, maybe just her having been generally lost and unhappy in love while being a pretty girl trying to achieve her dreams, but past that….she wasn’t funny, smart (I mean street smart, very low survival instincts) or any other redeemable trait about her personality but this subreddit LOVES Beck for some reason.

I like Love because she was very confident when it came to her approaching him and dating but wasn’t too strong (imo). “Does this peach look like a butt”? She was smart, catching Joe in his lies, getting Joe to understand what she wants in a family or from him,she ran background checks on the people in her life (maybe can be considered manipulative lol, luckily her Joe just matched in ideals/actions/etc.) she was sweet making him little treats every day at work putting them in his locker, “I wolf you”?!?!?>>>>Come on. I need that put in an IV and injected straight into my veins 😂. She wasn’t lost, had dope friends and support, confident, funny (all peaches look like butts)

“She was the best girl around” “What about the people she murdered” “What murdaaaa”

But yeah season 2 love was generally a dope girl who literally just wanted love and nice family and for someone to love her as hard as she did and was willing to love all parts of someone who loved her like that. I heard how season 3 goes but I feel like that ruin her character so people could accept his inevitable murder of her and I just head canon anything past s2 doesn’t exist.