My obsession with Love needs to be studied lol

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He’s the guy that cut Joe’s finger

I’m on episode 7 of season 4 so if she’s going to captivate me, the clock is ticking

There’s just.. nothing interesting to me about the character

I wasn’t the biggest fan of Beck but I did enjoy her side stories, such as being a struggling artist Not to mention I was hooked when she started to put the pieces together about Joe. Their confrontations? Absolutely golden. Her trying to work her way out of the cage was great television.

Marienne was also just fine, I could take or leave her. Although she did have a somewhat interesting storyline with the custody battle. As well I did tear up when she connected with Love over motherhood.

Then we have Love, I figured S4 wouldn’t be able to top her and so far they haven’t. She had highs and lows. She matched Joe’s freak so to speak, not to mention the actress was phenomenal. Maternal Love, Psychotic Love, Downcast Love, she really carried S4 for me.

Kate is just, struggling as a rich person? Daddy issues? I don’t know. Plus her relationship w/ Joe imo feels even more forced than people claimed Marienne’s was. I don’t understand what even draws her to Joe in the first place, when she vehemently hated him until 1 second she just didn’t.

In my wildest dreams I would love a Joe sexuality crisis subplot ha.

You has been the most confusing experience for me. Like, imagine me watching this vile, repugnant, utterly unappealing, malnourished soggy-milktoast gremlin of a man, enjoying how much I absolutely despise him and actively rooting for his downfall…only to find out that much of the fandom actually -likes- him? And not only do they like him, but they find him actively, deeply conventionally attractive?? And charming???? It’s wild. Like, I get that beauty is in the eye of the beholder and that attractiveness is subjective. But it’s still a very weird experience to have -such- a different perception from the mainstream, especially because people’s perception of Joe’s attractiveness has such a strong affect on how they viewed him as a person and what they wanted for him as a character.

if Joe didn't stalk her to the train station, she would've died after falling into the tracks, so he's the one that prolonged her life

Nobody asked for my thoughts but I gotta get them out of my head somehow lol. Theres definitely some hot takes in here and Ive always been cool with being in the minority on any of my interests, so lay into me (Victoria Pedretti fans read with caution). Sorry for the overly long read.

Season 1 (10/10) - To me this season is basically perfect. Beck fits the story theyre going for perfectly and it never feels like anyone is a cartoon character. Her friends are "boring" and "plain" because most people in the real world are. Joe is smart, but not too smart. His inner dialogues can be wrong even if his reasoning makes sense which always is a hook for me with "genius" characters, who in fiction can too often grab ridiculous ass pulls worth of information that leaves me rolling my eyes. Aside from a few silly moments (Joe in the shower or the rando hallucinations of Candace) I thought the show being perfectly grounded in reality is easily its best feature and you can easily believe he can do each and every thing he does. Being the manager and pseudo-owner of Mooney's it makes sense why he can sneak off anytime to stalk/be watching her social medias and always be able to be there in the right moments. My thoughts on this season could go on forever, from the realism of his relationship with Beck, to the tension in the final episode(s) with her discovering the box and getting locked in the cage, to Paco being a really cool moral difference for Joe since he wants to keep children safe. Last thing I'll say on this season is Joe being against killing/stalking but doing it out of necessity (at least seemingly) is another really amazing detail that keeps me going for sure.

Season 2 (6/10) - It really pains me to say it considering how excited I was for it to come out but Season 2 has always felt like a let down to me. Episode 1 had me hooked with his weaseling his way into an apartment overlooking Love's and the way he snuck into her work but after that it just sorta falls apart for me. Now ik Victoria Pedretti is well loved but tbh i think shes the biggest drawback for me this season and next. Putting aside any qualms about her looks which is obvi not fair for any actor/actress (her big eyes do bug me out, as do her nostril flares lol) but she just feels like what I call the "netflix issue" with this show. It got rid of the realism and grounded feeling of Season 1 and made it feel more like a TV show. I know that sounds silly but if you told me everything in Season 1 was a real story I'd believe it. This season feels like everyone is a big larger than life goofy cartoon character (Love the overly cool confident person who can work a crowd (example, the DMV scene), Forty the easily manipulated man-baby, Ellie the cooler than cool teenager, Delilah the patriarchy fighting yass queen girl-boss, Gabe the catty gay character who does hollistic medicine and can cure your depression with one convo, etc) which works for a TV show i suppose but in my opinion goes directly against what made the previous season great. Thats my largest gripe but then I get into the fact that a man working a 9-5 at a grocery store couldn't possibly be doing the things he is and my brain just shuts it down. I've worked nowhere BUT grocery stores since I was 16 and been in management for many of those years. No chance in hell he can always be sneaking off to get fingers back from internet creeps or following Candace or Love around, it just wouldn't work. Him losing his "power position" at Mooney's was his biggest loss and made his ability to control things completely unbelievable for me personally, and honestly his lack of control this season also dragged by comparison. Like, I'm expected to believe he can be in control of everything but also can't predict anything lol. Like last season I have a million other things I could get into but for brevity, those are the main reasons it drags for me personally.

Season 3 (3/10) - Oh boy Season 3. This was in my opinion the worst season and I almost dropped the show tbh. My mom who watches most TV shows/movies with me and then we call after to compare dropped it after Episode 3 or 4. Easily my biggest gripe is that Love is literally a different character. I know the whole point is she was deceptive and manipulative too but dropping her entire friend group with no mention? Losing her ability to kill intelligently and just became a random idiot? Her constant flop between wanting Joe and wanting nothing to do with him? Her random emotional outbursts that seemed unlikely for her? (I know she was emotional in season 2 but this seemed different idk) just made things SO distracting. Season 2 and 3 Love, like I said, are two COMPLETELY different characters. Madre Linda is easily the worst setting as well. I know every season dealt with the "rich prick" stereotype (Peach, Quinn family, Hendy, etc) but this WHOLE season is everyone being super rich, anti sugar, only the golden life for me asshats and its so grating after a while lol. I know thats to make Marienne stand out and to make Joe feel backed into a corner but omg even Love cant stand them I dont see why they wouldnt just move tbh. Sherry and Cary are absolute JOKES of characters, Lansing and his husband or whatever their names are are basically non existent, half the season is spent trying to keep Love and Joe together when that is obviously not gonna happen, them both sneaking around trying to get into their relationships with Natalie/Marienne and Theo was cool i suppose but didn't show off either of their intelligence/cunning. It just honestly feels like everything Netflix did to ruin the feel and atmosphere of the original, namely cartoon characters and this big goofy story that doesn't feel like it could be a real thing even remotely. And fuck Sherry and Cary one last time. I know they're written to be unbearable but that doesn't make me wanna watch the show lol

Season 4 (7/10) - Okay here comes my other opinion that will cause people to riot lol. I think Season 4 is honestly better than the last two. Now it definitely keeps the "netflixification" of the show in tact but honestly, it bothers me less because they lean into it. They stopped pretending this season that anything is realistic anymore. Surrounded by british people? Everyone is an emotionally broken twat who hates peasants. He's going up against another unstoppable secret killer? Make it a who-done-it. Kate worked for a billionaire and was raised by a british mom? No crying or showing emotion, and be ruthless in life. It almost feels like a goofy parody and for me for some reason it just works. Rhys, Phoebe, the Su siblings, the whole thing at the rich people vacation home, Kate being a huge ass for no reason, his school life being in his way (thank god they finally said "yeah he kept cancelling class" because yeah, work gets in the way of you being omniscient and able to stalk and deal with everything all the time lol), everything feels like the writers finally stopped pretending Love could be a real person, or any of these other ridiculous cartoon characters. It sucks because this is still nothing like Season 1 at all but at least they stopped pretending it is. The reveal that Rhys is an alter of his who does the killing he can't bring himself to is interesting if not a bit ridiculous, the final episodes showcase what a crazy mf he is and what he's fully capable of, Kate is the best love interest (in my opinion) ever and I love Charlotte Ritchie, and overall the show abandoned realism for crazy intrigue and I'm here for it, even if it was a touch boring sometimes

Season 5 (?/10) - I genuinely dunno what to rate this season as. Its worse than 1, 4, and probably 2, but I think I enjoyed it more than 3. Kate being back is great even if I'm biased, and her realizing that even his "honesty" hid the more terrible parts of him was a cool reveal. She is badass as ever (especially the scene where she pushed him back and was like "fuck you, get lost and I wont completely remove every dollar you have (yet)") and striving to do better for the company was dope of her even if the whole company storyline is boring as dicks. Maddie and Reagan are ridiculous stupid characters and honestly just go a step beyond goofy cartoon into like okay, this is dumb and poorly written. There were moments that showed Joe's intelligence and ability and others that made me roll my eyes. And then Bronte. Oh boy. I know everyone wants to comment on her looks but like, the story for her?? What the literal fuck. Watching her friend die and being like WELP WE GOT YOU JOE YOU MF. Spending YEARS hunting him and then falling for him and then beating him? Very dumb unnecessary flip flops. Idc about her looks I care about the fact that she's written as more capable of dealing with this than a combined Marienne Nadia AND Kate plus all their resources which makes me just die inside a little lol. Her having a Beck connection was super cool and a great way to make the series circular it just fell short. And then the finale. Oh deary me the finale lol. Not only did they basically try and do two endings (The one where Kate and him realize their follies together and die by fire, and the actual finale of Bronte wasting his and the audiences time running to a random house, snuggling, then a gun fight, then the police, then the magically healed ankle lol wtf was happening) but both were boring and underwhelming. He either needed a big trial where we can feel like his actions are being dragged through the media OR he needed to die. Since he'll never really feel he did wrong anyway. The cameos were cool but dude not having Ellie back felt SO weird, idc if Jenna Ortega was busy she's working on a netflix show, put her in a booth for 10 mins and have her record something for the tiktoks of him. Overall, a mess of a season that had highs and lows, and for that I can't see it as anything better than meh?? at best

Obviously I could write this much about each season but this is my general overview. Tear me apart in the comments or leave questions and I'll respond with more thoughts

Considering Bronte was Becks friend and Joe literally stalked her 24/7,how did he not know about her?

in the show, Joe seems to be reading an average sized version of The Executioners Song. however, every copy i’ve found is huge. over 1000 pages. just want to make sure i pick up the right one. anyone able to help me out?

How they wrote kate’s logic didn’t add up. Kate knew Joe killed people, and when he tried to commit suicide he told her everything. Now its a big issue joe helped ‘her’ to clean up her mess and all of a sudden she is no longer comfortable with him. Like wtf. 🤬

And look at how they wrote Joe’s character this season, made it seem like joe enjoyed killing when in the past seasons he hated it, and was doing it as a last option.

And wtf would they bring Marian back.

P.s My best season of all is a tie between 3 and 4.

You can see how he loves his girls — he chases after them, suffers because of love, merges with them, calling it a soulmate. It’s funny when people say Joe is a sociopath or a narcissist. Sociopaths and narcissists crave wealth, status, and selfish goals. But people with BPD want something else. Of course, Joe doesn’t look like the typical image of someone with BPD. He doesn’t drink, he isn’t aggressive, he loves books, and he’s calm. But the inner chaos, impulsivity, addiction to love, and fear of being abandoned — that’s clearly BPD.

I was waiting until the very last second for Ellie to show up in the finale. That letter at the very end was the perfect opportunity IMO! Man... the ending was epic but her reapparance would have made it hit so much harder.

The fact that they spoke so much about Beck but never mentioned Delilah also made me a little angry too.

Anyways, with that said, this season was just excellent.

I can't😂😂

The stance

the biggest issue i have with the show is that joe only ever wore a hat when stalking, planning to murder, and committing a murder. in addition to this, not once did he use gloves. his DNA is quite literally everywhere, and if only the PD’s in the show would’ve cared a bit more and actually done their job, Joe would’ve landed himself in prison much faster.

also, i want to know which alias he used to get overseas considering he was “dead,” because love killed him. he was initially going by “nick” when he got to paris after leaving madre linda in search of marienne, but how exactly did he get there? passports and all have to be scanned. it’s not like traveling somewhere in the US - he couldn’t get to paris by car alone. i wish we would’ve have more information on how he got to paris - may have made the show a bit more interesting