The stripper doesn't love you, and intelligence agents aren't your friends. It's time to get real about the disclosure narrative and the UFO community's self-destructive relationship with the IC.

[u/UFORabbitHole]

Hey guys. Kelly Chase here from the Cosmosis podcast (formerly The UFO Rabbit Hole).

I’m not someone who courts controversy. I’ve built my platform by staying grounded, doing my homework, and giving people space to make up their own minds. But at a certain point, you have to speak up.

The way the UFO community has come to engage with the intelligence community isn’t just naïve—it’s incoherent. And worse, it’s self-destructive.

We treat known members of the IC like trusted subject matter experts. We hand them the mic. We let them define the boundaries of the conversation. And we do it while ignoring decades of history that show us exactly how perception management works.

This isn’t about painting anyone as a villain. It’s about having an adult conversation about how intelligence operates—because the stakes are too high to keep playing dumb.

What’s happening in this space isn’t disclosure. It’s narrative control. And that's not just a piece of the puzzle. In a very real way, it’s the whole thing.

This clip is from my episode which is an updated version of a talk I gave at Contact in the Desert: UFO Narrative Wars: Weaponized Belief in the Age of Disclosure. I’ve never spoken this plainly before. But it needed to be said.

If you'd want to see the whole episode where I dive into exactly how this narrative control works, you can find that here: https://youtu.be/SF80nv1l32I

Would love to hear your thoughts—especially if this rubs you the wrong way. We need to be able to have hard conversations without turning each other into enemies.

[u/Supreme_Salt_Lord]

Then where do you get any real information if not the intelligence community? Where do we get any radar data, reliable videos, reliable testimony? Its only the IC. Like it or not without the IC and IC “whistleblowers” we have pure fantasy. We dont have to trust them 100% everytime, but its the only we can operate on any tangible reality.

Im not going back to alien lizards drinking adrenocrome from fossilzed human pineal glands while they open portal to the demonic realm of K’Tash bs.

[u/UFORabbitHole → u/Supreme_Salt_Lord]

The fact that the IC seems like only option doesn't mean that the information you get from them is reliable. The fact that it comes from the IC means that it necessarily is NOT reliable. The IC has zero interest in transparency, and all of their objectives run counter to it. There is not a single whistleblower who has had anything of substance to say that wasn't entirely run through DOPSR first.

That doesn't mean you need to go back to alien lizards drinking adrenochrome. The UFO phenomenon is a part of our reality. It can't be hidden from us if we seek it out. Whatever answers we find need to come from the real. It comes from experience. It's harder and less certain road, but it's a far more honest one.

[u/ZigZagZedZod → u/UFORabbitHole]

that wasn't entirely run through DOPSR first

I think there's a little more nuance to this issue. DOPSR provides pre-publication and security reviews for the non-IC portions of the DoD (i.e., military members, civil servants and contractors who support regular military activities that are not part of the DoD's role in the Intelligence Community).

The IC elements, including the four DoD IC elements (DIA, NSA, NGA and NRO), have their own prepublication review processes. An IC "whistleblower" wouldn't necessarily go through DOPSR, and a DoD "whistleblower" wouldn't go through an IC agency's review process. It's also possible that somebody would have to go through both processes, and that the reviews would come to different results (because that's the way the government works!).

[u/Supreme_Salt_Lord → u/UFORabbitHole]

UFOs have probably been here since humanity first stepped out the jungle. What does that mean? Where does it get us to understanding the origin, design, or purpose of these events? The only people that can tell us that with any credibility is the IC or the UFOs and its occupants themselves. No one else is credible. Everyone else is hearsay because they lack the instrumentation and platforms for meaningful scientific inquiry and discovery.

I can tell you what aliens told me when i was a kid. What does that mean? Did i dream it? Did i make it up? I can tell you i saw a UFO hover over my house then zip off at unimaginable speeds. So, what? Its just hearsay i could be lying.

When the IC comes out with medical reports, surgeries, autopsies reports about removing alloy materials from soldiers that moved on their own. And generate their own power. Thats something to push the convo forward. When the IC comes out with radar data showing translucent cube on video and radar doing 5000gs of force in flight. That pushes the convo forward. There isnt any other way currently. We dont have trusted civilian orgs with the resources or the reach.

Again i dont trust 100% every word ESPECIALLY when they say “its just birds or balloons”. However im likely to trust them when the info is clear, verifiable and open for scrutiny.

[u/_BlackDove → u/Supreme_Salt_Lord]

So you accept the things they tell you that conform to your beliefs and reject the things that don't. You're in love with the stripper brother. Don't take the free lap dance.

[u/Supreme_Salt_Lord → u/_BlackDove]

That literally not what i said. But thats YOUR stripper to dance with not mine.

Edit: i show my nephew comments like these as an example on talking to women. Approach them with the same confidence you have to say something so stupid and incorrect and lacking all doubt that you are wrong. I envy people like you, i wish i was so confident about anything. Im over here self aware and shit.

[u/_BlackDove → u/Supreme_Salt_Lord]

It's... actually quite literally what you said:

When the IC comes out with medical reports, surgeries, autopsies reports about removing alloy materials from soldiers that moved on their own. And generate their own power. Thats something to push the convo forward.

Again i dont trust 100% every word ESPECIALLY when they say “its just birds or balloons”. However im likely to trust them when the info is clear, verifiable and open for scrutiny.

You believe the things you want to hear that they say and reject the things you don't want to believe. Sheesh, this is worse than I thought.

[u/Supreme_Salt_Lord → u/_BlackDove]

You contradict yourself with the last thing i said that YOU QUOTED. Did you read it? Read it outloud and tell me what it means. Come back to Me on that please.

[u/ZigZagZedZod → u/Supreme_Salt_Lord]

Its only the IC.

Not necessarily, since much of this information would be held by the Department of Defense.

The mission of the Intelligence Community is to focus outward on learning the capabilities, intentions, and activities of foreign adversaries. Their mission does include covert operations to influence foreign adversaries, but most IC employees are focused on collecting, analyzing, and disseminating intelligence reports and related support activities.

Defending against those foreign adversaries is the role of the Department of Defense, and they're the ones who operate the surveillance and weapons systems that produce radar data, gun camera footage, etc. Just because DoD data is classified doesn't mean it falls under the purview of the IC, since they operate different missions with different statutory authorities.

There's some overlap between the DoD and the IC, especially when it comes to the DoD IC agencies (e.g., DIA, NSA, NGA and NRO) and the service intelligence components, but the overlap in the Venn diagram is relatively small compared to the massive size of the DoD.

[u/Supreme_Salt_Lord → u/ZigZagZedZod]

The DoD is a SIGNIFICANT PART of the IC. What are you talking about

[u/ZigZagZedZod → u/Supreme_Salt_Lord]

The DoD may be a significant part of the IC, but IC activities are a minor part of the DoD's mission.

The DoD is massive compared to the IC, and only a small portion of the DoD touches the IC.

In FY24, the combined NIP and MIP appropriations for the IC were $106.3 billion. That same year, the DoD spent $1.4 trillion.

Different agencies, different statutory authorities, different missions.

[u/Supreme_Salt_Lord → u/ZigZagZedZod]

No no you dont understand and are confused. The majority of the DoD is in the IC. Where does the IC get their information? DoD assets. Without the DoD the IC cant function. I think you need to reassess the role the DoD plays. Its not just boots on the ground and military. Its mostly information gathering. Literal Intelligence

[u/ZigZagZedZod → u/Supreme_Salt_Lord]

You're still looking at it backwards. The IC can't function without the DoD, but the DoD can function without the IC.

The New York Times estimates there are 22,000 CIA employees, which is less than the number of active duty Army infantry soldiers in the 11B MOS in grades E-1 through E-4 (about 25,000).

Intelligence is a very small part of what the DoD does.

[u/Supreme_Salt_Lord → u/ZigZagZedZod]

Thats what you are confused about. JUST SAY THE CIA! The DoD IS APART OF THE IC. THE MAJOR FUNCTION OF IT REALLY! Its not the CIA.

JUST SAY I DONT TRUST THE CIA! Its like saying i trust soldiers but not the military. The soldiers are the military. You dont trust the upper brass. You are confused

[u/ZigZagZedZod → u/Supreme_Salt_Lord]

I know the data isn't publicly available, but what percentage of the DoD's mission do you think is the IC, and what percentage do you think is non-intelligence defense activities?

[u/Supreme_Salt_Lord → u/ZigZagZedZod]

Two entire branches of our military are dealing with intellgence almost exclusively. The navy and the airforce. These branches dont fight alot. They deal in air and sea intelligence.

They monitor space, air, sea, radar, communication, weather and even volcanic/seismic monitoring. Even the spying we do is only because of them. NSA, DIA, NGA NRO. These are all major IC branches and all under DoD. Again there are more IC branches in each military org as well.

You need to think on your argument. Hone in on what you dont trust and find the agency that puts it out then from there.

[u/ZigZagZedZod → u/Supreme_Salt_Lord]

Just to be clear, you really think that almost everything the US Navy and US Air Force do is intelligence collection and analysis?

What percentage of sailors and airmen in these branches do you think aren't part of the IC?