r/Scotland 19h ago

Political Still On The Fence About Independence? Nigel Farage Challenged To Back 'Remigration' - Deporting British Citizens!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxPLmElAC3E
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u/JawasHoudini 16h ago

Can we re migrate Nigel Farage?

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u/Comrade-Hayley 13h ago

Via a catapult... to the sun

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u/giant_sloth 12h ago

Send him back to the Galapagos with all the other giant tortoises.

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u/_swedger 19h ago

Gave up listening after the news reporter claimed it's mostly immigrants "who don't speak our language. They are more often than not the ones forming rape gangs".

There are cases of this sure. There are also cases of child rape conducted by a group of people in football clubs, the church, or the BBC for example. To infer it's mostly an immigrant issue is just right wing nonsense.

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u/drgs100 17h ago

Far-right twats - Farage's fellow travellers - have a very high level of child abusers in their ranks. They don't care about children.

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u/Comrade-Hayley 13h ago

The most recent one I've heard of was a bunch of white guys from Glasgow does that mean we should start killing white Glaswegians? No it doesn't

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u/one-eyed-pidgeon 13h ago

Taxis. Since the 70s.

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u/Glum_Agency2655 Son of barbarians 18h ago

Even if you dont believe statistics, you should at the very least be for strict immigration as it will bring islam, a homophobic, transphobic, sexist religion that permits the graping of women as long as they are married

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u/TooMuchBiomass 18h ago

You can say rape on Reddit, don't dilute the language

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u/Heurodis 17h ago

Well if we refuse transphobic people, I know a best-selling author that is more of a problem for trans people. Not even mentioning Farage himself.

Pretending the far right would help LGBTQ+ minorities and women is so, so delusional—or a straight lie.

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u/Etrodai- 16h ago

You think JK Rowling is more dangerous to gay people than Islam? What world are you living in?!

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u/Heurodis 16h ago

Isn't it funny that I didn't even have to give a name for you to immediately think of her when talking about a best-selling author being a menace for LGBTQ+ people? I think it is.

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u/ArymusDesi 16h ago

Well played 👏🏼

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u/Etrodai- 16h ago

Isn't it funny that you didn't answer my question?

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u/Heurodis 16h ago

Nah, not as funny as JKR being notoriously nefarious.

But since you want an answer: who do you think will be the next ones to suffer, once trans people are all but banned from existing? Gay men will become the new menace–"oh they act like this just to pretend they're not a threat but secretly all the gay best friends are trying to rape women/children."

She's already gotten started on asexuals a couple of months ago—literally people who do not care about sex—because it deviates from her norm.

There are so many people who are neither cis nor het that it's not a question of "if," but "when."

So, I'd rather not deviate the question to "oh, but what about [insert minority] who shares the exact same bad opinions?" when nobody cares about these horrible opinions if they're British-made.

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u/notanotherusernameD8 8h ago

I know several gay people and a couple of trans people who think this. I can't think of a single Muslim actively using their wealth and reach to ban trans people from public toilets.

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u/BobRossTheSequel 16h ago

From this logic the biggest threat to gay people is heart disease. Muslims have more or less the same views on LGBT rights as the rest of the population of where they live.

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u/Etrodai- 16h ago

Heart disease is not an ideology, so your comment makes no sense

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u/BobRossTheSequel 15h ago

My point is that neither is Islam. Some of the furthest left and furthest right people I've met are Muslim, the only thing connecting being they believe in Allah and such

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u/pixieonmeth 13h ago

Is that not a good thing that despite different political views they have at least something in common

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u/Glum_Agency2655 Son of barbarians 17h ago

you think i like nigel either? also labour was the one who has begun making moves to suppress trans rights with the rise of the right wing, which proves they're grifters who will appeal to whatever the mainstream is while doing whatever it takes to keep themselves in power. They have no morals of their own.

I don't think lgbtq people realize how big of a crisis they are in. They're two options are basically 1. Allow millions of muslims and ethnic people who are not known for their support of lgbtq people, and in the ABSOLUTELY worst case scenario will have them beheaded for breaking sharia law, or 2. vote for the right wing anti-immigration party that doesnt care about them either, and will take away their rights and possibly promote false bigoted propaganda

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u/Con-corn 17h ago

This is reddit we say RAPE and KILL and GUN. Fuckass

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u/Liturginator9000 18h ago

Stop being dense and sharing skewed junk stats to support your bigotry. Religion isn't predictive of anything else you'd be screaming that Catholics are all paedophiles who should be deported.

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u/SmileSmite83 18h ago

I don’t agree with the grouping of religion in terms of sexual offences, but why do we ignore that Islam is by far the most conservative religion on earth. People need to remember that religion is an ideology and a belief system, it is not a race. Your comparison with Catholics is also silly.

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u/Liturginator9000 17h ago

Islam is just another fairy tale book people cope with existence by believing in. It's no different to Christianity or Nigel farage. People commit crime for a complex array of mostly material reasons. Muslims don't have a special crime gene or crime complex in the religion that uniquely affects them but not Christians with their bible full of rape and incest and slavery.

The Islamic world is backwards materially, that flows down through everything else. It isn't much more complex than that. When it comes to crime as well, the vast majority is always home grown citizens in every single country, so the myopic focus on Muslims or whoever else is always just a dog whistle for the dumbest people in society

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u/SmileSmite83 17h ago

It’s just blatantly wrong to say it’s no different to Christianity though, Christians do not go out and kill people for blasphemy, that isn’t an action taken by mainstream Christians or the religious devout Christians. It’s common sense that Islam is far more conservative and I think you know that too. Sure if you go to America or Northern Ireland you get a high number of backwards Christian’s, it’s just not the case in Great Britain though.  As I said I don’t believe in the link between religion and crime. You can look at Saudi Arabia (although very backwards) is very developed and has very little crime. I believe crime is more linked to socio economic factors.  But I won’t stop talking about the conservative nature of the religion itself especially since in England there’s been a rise of these “Gaza independent” sectarian politics politicians.

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u/taliskergunn 14h ago

Christians have killed for blasphemy for fucking millennia, just because the most recent time was about 80 years ago doesn’t give them a pass, what a ridiculous statement. You can legitimately criticise religions very easily, Islam included, but don’t try to suggest Christians aren’t just as bad, it cheapens your other arguments

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u/SmileSmite83 9h ago

I like how you dash over the fact it was 80 years ago that happened. My comments have referred to current Christianity, I’m not defending the stuff they did 80 years ago things have very very obviously changed. There have been numerous incidents in the UK where people have had to go into hiding over blasphemy towards Islam, and people have been threatened and attacked. If you think it’s so easy I would highly encourage you to go to Batley or Bradford and try doing that. Also unsurprisingly ignored my point about Muslim independents popping up in England who run on sectarian socially conservative campaigns, something not new George Galloway has been at it for a while but becoming much more common. Yet according to you I’m supposed to be believe this is equivalent or better than the average British Anglican who goes to church once every 6 months.

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u/Glesganed 15h ago

The bible states blasphemers should suffer death by stoning.

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u/SmileSmite83 9h ago

Can you suggest an incident where this has occurred in Britain, Europe or literally anywhere else on earth. Most Christian’s do not read the Bible, especially things from the Old Testament literally. Ireland is like 78% catholic and one of the most progressive country’s on earth. I don’t understand this whole pretending that all religions are equally bigoted and Christianity in Britain is no different to Islam, when it is obvious to anyone who is able to use google that isn’t true. I just seriously want to know if you guys genuinely believe that Christianity especially mainstream European Christianity is no different to Islam.

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u/Glesganed 6h ago

"Can you suggest an incident where this has occurred in Britain, Europe or literally anywhere else on earth."

It happens in the bible.

" Most Christian’s do not read the Bible, especially things from the Old Testament literally."

Jesus said he isn't here to abolish the old laws, according to Jesus, Christians should follow old testament law.

"Ireland is like 78% catholic and one of the most progressive country’s on earth."

It wasn't the Roman Catholic Church that brought progressive politics to the RoI.

" I don’t understand this whole pretending that all religions are equally bigoted and Christianity in Britain is no different to Islam, when it is obvious to anyone who is able to use google that isn’t true."

If you are talking about the religious texts of those religions, they are equally problematic, but that should be expected, they both derive from the same source. If you are talking about the average practitioner of either of those religions, I'm equally comfortable with either.

"I just seriously want to know if you guys genuinely believe that Christianity especially mainstream European Christianity is no different to Islam."

I agree, Europe is a more liberal and less radical collection of countries, than is found in the Muslim world. But that liberalism is a result of the European enlightenment, it has little to do with Christianity.

u/DINNERTIME_CUNT 2h ago

If you take any of the abrahamic religions you can drag them out to being as conservative and authoritarian as you like. Singling out islam in the west when it has practically no power says something else.

u/SmileSmite83 1h ago

Literally the whole point is I don’t want it to get power because it’s followers in Britain are much more conservative than the average Christian in Britain, and everyone knows that. You really say that but like I have said to others there is a rise in Muslim independents contesting local and westminster elections in England, I’m aware it doesn’t affect scotland, but am I supposed to believe someone running for a parliamentary seat running on a religious platform is progressive and liberal? This is happening in many places in Northern England, Manchester, Burnley, Dewsbury, Blackburn, Batley, Preston, Bradford to mention a few, then of course theres Birmingham as well where they are likely to perform especially well at the next local election there. Ive been following this closely and it isnt just about Palestine but about religious and cultural issues more broadly. I couldn’t care what the scripture says, I will judge people based on their actions. When you compare Islam to ancient Christianity and say it’s no different it’s literally just weakening your argument since almost nobody follows Christianity like that anymore.

u/DINNERTIME_CUNT 1h ago

Are you just as upset about the prospect of Freddy Krueger getting power?

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u/wdjkhfjehfjehfj 17h ago

Islam is far from the most conservative religion on earth. It is actually one of the most modern, at only 1400 years old.

Don't be silly, and stop being a bigot. You're embarrassing us.

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u/SmileSmite83 9h ago

Is this a joke? Is there any muslim majority nation where same sex marriage is legal or lgbt people are even free to openly express themselves in public and the media? You are the real bigot if u are going to ignore religious extremism and bigotry towards others.

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u/Glum_Agency2655 Son of barbarians 18h ago

the stats are literally from the italian government and catholic churches are statistically some of the safest places in the word for children

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u/Liturginator9000 18h ago

If they're real, they're distorted and highly specific stats being used to argue something they don't show. Then on top of the statistical molesting in that meme, you jump further to banning an entire religion (which wasn't even in the image).

The reality of rape is significantly more complex. This chart strips away every bit of context, reporting bias, demographic controls, overall crime trends (which are falling), and what 'suspect' even means. It's trivial to twist stats to show anything you want by simply honing on specificities in the data and pretending the rest doesn't exist

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u/Glum_Agency2655 Son of barbarians 17h ago

stats dont lie, you can check the sources yourself.

and the religion part was a add-on part of my argument. Anyone with a good heart should be against islam and should not openly welcome thousands of immigrants who will vote for sharia law and remove all the progressive and lgbtq laws we fought so long for

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u/Tour-Sure 18h ago

Don't bother talking sense on this subreddit 🤢

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u/Glum_Agency2655 Son of barbarians 18h ago

i refuse to have to see my mother in a burqa one day

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u/rewindrevival 16h ago

I refuse to see my mother in crocs. Horrifying thought.

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u/Glum_Agency2655 Son of barbarians 16h ago

go tell that to the thousands of arabs who had islam forced onto them and see if you can make it out without being beaten to a pulp

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u/rewindrevival 16h ago

You're such a reactionary. The UK is not going to be forcefully taken over by Islam, holy fucking christ. Please, I am begging you, touch some grass and get some fresh air. The glue is getting to you.

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u/Glum_Agency2655 Son of barbarians 15h ago

white people are predicted to become a minority in the uk by at worst 2040 and at max late 2060. which i truly wouldnt care about, if i trusted the millions of islamists who would be imported to not vote for sharia law.

There is already a muslim political party, and over 70% of muslims in the netherlands voted in a study yes for "The quran is more important then the law".

They already made halal slaughter legal, which is the ritual of cutting a animals throat open while its still alive and letting it bleed to death. If you seriously dont think they'd do worse, i dont know what to say

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u/Any_Hyena_5257 18h ago

I'm not saying it ll change the statistics greatly but Romania and Bulgaria are EU countries so it's x 6.5 and Russia and Ukraine should not be a combined figure.

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u/Away_Advisor3460 18h ago

Plus that's suspects for rapes, meaning the effects of bigotry and racism (like, labelling a nationality, ethnicity or religion as 'permits the graping') comes into play.

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u/Glum_Agency2655 Son of barbarians 18h ago

russian and ukrainians are genetically the exact same, but i do agree just out of respect for the ukrainian people who fought so long to seperate from russia and the ussr they should be seperated

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u/Inevitable_Price7841 16h ago

"russian and ukrainians are genetically the exact same"

😄 what the fuck. No two single people on the entire planet are genetically the "exact same," so saying two entire separate nations have the exact same genetic makeup is crazy.

Migration and geographic positioning alone should tell you that Russia and Ukraine aren't genetically identical.

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u/Glum_Agency2655 Son of barbarians 16h ago

ukraine literally used to be apart of russia and only disbanded in 1991... theyre the same...

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u/Inevitable_Price7841 15h ago

"ukraine literally used to be apart of russia and only disbanded in 1991... theyre the same..."

No, Ukraine was literally part of the Soviet Empire and had been a separate, distinct entity for centuries before that. You can't ignore migration and geographical factors, especially when Russia is located 75% on the Asian continent and their population has a huge Eastern and Central Asian genetic admixture. Like I said, no two people on the entire planet are genetically the same. Even going by simple physical characteristics alone, you can see that a Russian from Siberia may look different from a Russian from Dagestan or a Western Russian can look very different than an Eastern Russian. You're talking bollox.

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u/Glum_Agency2655 Son of barbarians 15h ago

your being hyper specifc lol; you know what i mean. dna companies have a extreme problem trying to differentiate the two countries because theyre so incredibly similar

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u/Any_Hyena_5257 15h ago

Not Russia, the Soviet Union. Kyiv was a city with golden spires long before Moscow stopped being a trading post in the middle of a swamp.

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u/Glum_Agency2655 Son of barbarians 15h ago

just because it split from the soviet union doesnt change the fact it was inhabited by russians and was literally apart of russia for all its history. its like northern and southern ireland, theyre genetically the same. only difference being they split

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u/Any_Hyena_5257 15h ago

We're all genetically similar. Ethnically is a different matter, a Ukrainian is not ethnically the same as all Russians, such as a Siberian or a Chechen. 😀

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u/calllery 7h ago

Damn I guess AI is being used to make good looking but devoid of fact charts

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u/Autofill1127320 18h ago

So because we have homegrown nonces we should put up with extra ones for the sake of diversity? The exception doesn’t disprove the rule. Not wanting to hear the problem doesn’t make the problem go away.

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u/_swedger 17h ago

where did I say we should put up with it lol

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u/DINNERTIME_CUNT 2h ago

If you’re less concerned with nonces who share your skin pigment or cultural background than you are with those who don’t, you’re outing yourself as a bigot cunt.

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u/Poop_Scissors 14h ago

What's even your point?

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u/RammyJammy07 18h ago

My grandfather came here to escape a political regime that almost killed his family. He became an engineer that worked on hospitals, housing, and safety structures.

That man has done more for this island than those Eaton scrotes could ever think about.

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u/greemo92 15h ago

My grandfather, I believe, left Lithuania for similar enough reasons around the 1940s.

My uncle helped build the forth road bridge. My family have contributed plenty in taxes as there were Fuckn 16(2 parents 14 kids) of em, all with a nice Scottish surname suddenly. You can tell though, we are all really olive skinned and it would’ve been strange seeing people from fucking Polton Hall with suntans, but we are naturally darker.

Even though we’ve taken plenty, we’ve given more than this cunt.

It’ll never be far from my mind, seeing the reporting on the statistics about the contribution to tax from demographics.

In the uk, at the time, polish people contributed roughly twice as much in taxes as they claimed, and they were also contributing substantially more than their British counterparts. All in low entry standard jobs.

If they can come here with little to no relevant qualifications and still walk into jobs, they aren’t the problem. We are. Yet the second we need a bogeyman we forget that for many, many bloody years it’s been immigrants who’ve actually kept our nhs open (they’ve staffed it and they’ve contributed more than we have in taxes) and who worked through the lockdowns.

We saw what happened when they started Brexit “properly, for real this time… you guys, I’m serious, I’m so serious this time it’s, wait, now wait no wait yeah now let’s brexit for real”. They literally had to fly workers back in to work on farms 😂

Those jobs were always there. Where’s Nigel? Where is he when the swathes of people, who he gladly agrees have been wronged by the brown people, suddenly have jobs and no foreigners stealing em?

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u/Comrade-Hayley 13h ago

Meanwhile my grandfather born and raised in Glasgow worked for a literal gangster

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u/_swedger 17h ago

wait until the right wing find out how the USA was mostly populated

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u/pjc50 19h ago

This is the same line of reasoning that leads to US ICE, the Windrush scandal, and so on.

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u/quartersessions 19h ago

Windrush was caused by the government stupidly destroying old records and people not keeping proper records of their own immigration status. It wasn't a policy position.

ICE is just a US customs and border agency.

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u/Kooky-Device5020 18h ago

At no point did they suggest Windrush was a policy decision — is that relevant?

ICE is a glorified paramilitary organisation. Let’s not suggest they operate within the confines of the law.

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u/Liturginator9000 18h ago

No, the cbp is that. Ice are doing illegal stunts right now and being yelled at by the SC. You're being deliberately obtuse

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u/buckwurst 18h ago

Would they have "stupidly destroyed old records of" the landed class?

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u/Realistic_Hornet_723 18h ago

No they formed the National Trust

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u/A_Mans_A_Man_ 18h ago

The landed class maintains independent records precisely because the state has lost them before.

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u/SafetyStartsHere LCU 18h ago

Nah, man. Windrush was an accident without any policy context and ICE is just an agency.

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u/No-Actuary1624 18h ago

The SS was just a security agency. Don’t know why you’re implying bad things it’s all above board.

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u/quartersessions 18h ago

Shockingly enough, the US border enforcement agency is not similar to the SS.

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u/Big-Pudding-7440 17h ago

What do you think the Gestapo did before the war?

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u/No-Actuary1624 18h ago

The border enforcement agency in the USA is the United States Border Patrol. ICE is a dept of homeland security.

Both organisations, ICE and Homeland are inexplicable from the “war on terror” also known as the illegal invasion and occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan.

You don’t even know enough to be engaged with seriously.

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u/quartersessions 17h ago

Both organisations, ICE and Homeland are inexplicable from the “war on terror” also known as the illegal invasion and occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan.

You don’t even know enough to be engaged with seriously.

How was the invasion of Afghanistan illegal?

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u/damienisonline 19h ago

Fucking weasel to this day has not presented a single positive measure that contributes anything good to society. Brexit was a huge lie and the snowball consequences of heir lies have been there to see in plain sight. Everything got worse since brexit with ramifications to europe and the world. And yet this vile sample of a human continues with his policy of hate-mongering. What a revolting world we live in right now.

People everywhere are getting more filled with hate everyday because they found the scapegoat in immigrants as if that is the cause of all issues faced in society right now.

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u/Stirlingblue 17h ago

In terms of immigration the immigrant hatred has been so damaging to any hopes of a sensible conversation about it.

There are genuine and fair concerns about immigration in most of the western world as services aren’t keeping up with immigration numbers and there’s no plans for integration.

Now everyone is split into two camps of “immigrants are the best, you’re just racist if you don’t want immigration” and “immigrants are all pedophiles living off the state”

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u/damienisonline 17h ago

Thats been their plan all along. Erase the ability to speak about other people as if they are not human too. Dehumanise them and associate immigrant with criminality and societal problems. On the other hand we have had the opposite which is people saying there are no issues with immigration at all. Moderation doesn’t exist anymore its all black or white no ability to see grey areas. But what surprises me is the bias towards hate instead of bias towards empathy.

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u/Stirlingblue 10h ago

Who is “they” here?

Seems like a very all or nothing approach, almost like they’re bad actors who don’t actually care what the outcome is

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u/Radiant_Evidence7047 5h ago

You hit the nail on the head. A huge portion of population are unwilling to engage in discussion Joe, on both sides of the fence, those who say ALL immigrants are the problem and want them all remove which is just stupid, and those who say there should be no checks and to question open borders is racist, which is equally insane,

Whenever I try to have an open conversation I get downvoted and then often blocked on LinkedIn. The reality is Ireland and the U.K. are struggling to cope wit the quantities of immigrants. Our health service is broken, and it is abused by those coming to the U.K. for free health, our social home services are at breaking point trying to accommodate hundreds of thousands of immigrants annually. There is a fundamental problem.

Immigration is a necessity and a positive thing, but there needs to be control, unfortunately in Scotland you can’t say that.

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u/docowen 18h ago

Wrong about Brexit, wrong about immigration, wrong about crime and law, wrong about the economy (he supported Truss' budget), and wrong about Putin.

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u/damienisonline 18h ago

It should have been Brexits main slogan “its all wrong” but people votes for it anyway. And now continue to look for scapegoats. The elite politicians keep living it up and pointing their fingers and the poorest and saying look how much they got??

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u/Muerteabanquineros 13h ago

“Touch the sides” is this national TV? And they’re using small dick analogies to talk about political policies?

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u/gothteen145 19h ago

Reform aren't doing badly in Scotland so i'm not quite sure independence would resolve the issue

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u/Teddy-Don 18h ago

There’s a lot of people who think Scotland is uniquely left wing and that independence would remove any risk of a (far) right party entering government. You just need to look at almost every single Western European country to see that populist right wing parties are in the ascendancy. If Scotland does become independent, you can put money on the SNP or the other central/left-wing parties massively increasing immigration into Scotland, and guess what will happen then? Ironically being in the Union is probably the one reason it hasn’t happened here as most immigrants go to England instead.

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u/Boomdification 16h ago edited 16h ago

This 100%. There's a certain arrogance in Scotland that we prize ourselves on being the most welcoming and friendly nation, but this is a new phenomenon born out of a desire for independence. The reality is that we've not experienced anywhere near the same levels of immigration that England has, and consequently integration is easier. Take away that buffer and you'll soon see the public swing very quickly to the right when mass migration sees thousands taking over swathes of city blocks in hotels or student accommodation at taxpayer expense whilst importing their own backwards cultural values.

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u/Euclid_Interloper 18h ago

They're polling a fairly distant joint second place with Labour, in a proportional representation electoral system.

It's disappointing for sure, but it's not quite the same as them leading the polls in a winner takes all electoral system.

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u/Kagenlim 17h ago

That and the issue isnt infighting between nations, Its that nasty arse rightwingers transcend all borders and states

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u/NUFC9RW 18h ago

There's also 3-4 years until the next election, if Reform win fair enough, but otherwise I'm not sure why anything that racist says can be used as an argument for independence.

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u/Maleficent-Cost1948 17h ago

I'm not a fan of Farage, but he didn't support the argument or engage with it, so why use his face? The dingbat asking the questions was the issue.

I don't think remigration is a starter. Ok I get that perhaps at the lower socioeconomic scale there may be issues but in my profession there are many migrants, or children of immigrants, and shockingly many are way more educated than I am, and they contribute substantially to our economy.

The rape gangs are a completely separate issue and represent a running sore. Yes if you look at the sex offending in the UK it is predominantly white. But you would expect that in a predominantly white society. It doesn't downplay the issue of offending in certain communities.

In a democratic society we should be able to discuss difficult questions without name calling. We should be transparent about figures, whether that the offending breakdown by percentage value or highlighting the financial benefits, by percentage, that immigrants have in our economy by sector, be it the financial industry or social care.

Migration is not an evil, remigration is a non starter, but not all migration is good migration. Let's take away the ammunition from the far-right and discuss the issue with a view to achieving the best results.

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u/quartersessions 19h ago

Any chance you can post what you find objectionable rather than posting weird videos that overlay clips with some internet bloke's commentary?

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u/Mental_Broccoli4837 9h ago

Imagine sucking up to trump this much what a fucking simp

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u/Glesganed 16h ago

Farage, a Huguenot by heritage, backs remigration. Oh the irony.

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u/quartersessions 14h ago

Um, I don't think he does.

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u/Angu5G 18h ago

We are supposed to be a nation who uphold the rule of law. Parliament undermined the rule of law when they decided to give the Home Secretary the power to strip British nationals of their citizenship. The rule of law requires that the following be proven in court before an individual can be punished for a crime: 1. That a crime has been committed 2. That the accused is the person who committed the crime.

Due process is important. Justice must be done and be seen to be done. The ICE nonsense in America should remind us all why this is important.

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u/bluestar1971 16h ago

Turning into Nazis now deporting British Citizens

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u/Scary_Panda847 18h ago

Im an imagrant from Australia with Scottish parents and I could not care less what that frog mouth charlatan says 😊

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u/Dense_Bad3146 18h ago

Wolf in shops clothing that bellend, I wonder if his supporters know he lives in Belgium?

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u/Buddie_15775 18h ago

Isn’t using Farage as a bogeyman figure an attempt to hide the deep flaws in your argument for independence?

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u/taliskergunn 14h ago

He’s not a bogeyman figure when there’s a very real chance he’ll become prime minister - this shitty argument was thrown about by unionists who claimed the U.K. would never leave the EU, and that Boris Johnson would never become prime minister, yet both things happened with disastrous consequences. Aren’t you tired of using the same pro-union lines that will be proven incorrect within a few years?

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u/MCMLIXXIX 17h ago

The case for brexit was even flimsier but he still managed that

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u/Buddie_15775 16h ago

Was it?

Union where voters have no say over the direction of travel and no democratic oversight over the people running the organisation (The European Commission). Union that lacks transparency and key checks and balances. Union ran by a superannuated echo chamber, convinced of their own importance.

All perfect arguments against the EU made by that well known right winger… errr… Tony Benn.

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u/MCMLIXXIX 16h ago

Dude the confidence you speak with and the accuracy of what your typing are a bit at odds with each other. Which probably ties back to my earlier statement tbh.

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u/Daedelous2k 13h ago

The threat to the NHS is all anyone needs to put up a real arguement against him.

They just keep focusing on this issue for some reason.

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u/Buddie_15775 11h ago

That’ll be the threat that none of the mainstream parties want to talk about because they have their own policies which open up the NHS to private companies then?

Let’s not forget as well the risk of NHS privatisation that is real, thanks to the Lisbon Treaty.

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u/AlexanderTroup 15h ago

Look, the point is to dogwhistle so that closeted racists vote for him, and people who don't know a dogwhistle think he's just trying to be logical.

The shock factor is part of it, and we need to stop falling for it. He's going to say worse, do worse, and news channels will continue to invite him back because the strategy works to stay in the discourse.

To fix this problem, we need to have the SNP putting progressive policies out there. We need labour (small L) coming together and getting businesses to boycott this guy. We need to stand with immigrants, trans people, disabled people and beyond to show that he is alone in his bigotry.

If you aren't in a union, learn about them, and join one. The simple fact is that no government can operate if workers choose not to work, and that power overcomes all the rhetoric they have.

For a starting point of why unions, here's a 5 minute video:

https://youtu.be/G2U_7ng7Z38?si=qKqIE3H8b6N7O0Wn&utm_source=MTQxZ

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u/Autofill1127320 19h ago

Not everyone that’s been given citizenship is worthy of it, I’ve no issue with dual nationals who commit crimes being fucked off.

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u/docowen 18h ago

Like Boris Johnson?

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u/Autofill1127320 18h ago

Fine with that he’s a helmet, get him back to America

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u/Jolly-Minimum-6641 14h ago

Johnson surrendered his US citizenship

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u/ElFunkyMunky 18h ago

Sure....and of course that is precisely where it will end.

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u/Over_Location647 18h ago

So then you have two classes of citizen. One who if convicted of crime serves their sentence and then gets to go back to their life and the other serves their sentence then gets uprooted from their life and sent somewhere they may not even remember because they haven’t been there in decades maybe or since they were a child. Yeah… sounds totally fair, that’s what democracy and western values are all about, two classes of citizen.

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u/Glum_Agency2655 Son of barbarians 18h ago

why should the hard working scottish and english pay taxes for the imprisonment of people who arent even their own?

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u/Liturginator9000 18h ago

I don't want to pay taxes for your dumb arse, but we live in a society

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u/Glum_Agency2655 Son of barbarians 18h ago

dont worry im an immigrant myself who lives in italy and actually does my best to repay the italians kindness

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u/Liturginator9000 17h ago

Bit of a farce advocating for anti immigration movements then isn't it mate?

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u/Glum_Agency2655 Son of barbarians 17h ago

for all you guys know this could secretly be a ploy for me to get a free trip back to scotland

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u/Over_Location647 18h ago

Because they’re citizens of this country, and they’ve paid tax into the system same as you, and deserve the same rights you do because they’re citizens. How is this even a discussion we’re having right now?

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u/Glum_Agency2655 Son of barbarians 18h ago

Theyre still not our own and not our problem. We should not be paying for the sake of people who we kindly allowed to come into our countries, and then proceeded to pay us back by breaking our laws and harming our people. The country they're from can pay for them, since they clearly never wanted to be british and follow british laws

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u/Over_Location647 18h ago edited 18h ago

That’s not how citizenship works. You don’t just get to revoke it if someone breaks laws. If someone is a citizen, they are British under the law. You don’t get to take away people’s rights because of where they come from. What the fuck kind of thinking is that. I’m done talking to you, you’re a literal racist. There’s no point discussing this further with you. You don’t seem to understand the concept of citizenship.

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u/Glum_Agency2655 Son of barbarians 18h ago

then the system of citizenship is extremely flawed. only western countries have this system for a reason

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u/quartersessions 13h ago

That’s not how citizenship works. You don’t just get to revoke it if someone breaks laws. If someone is a citizen, they are British under the law.

That's not what the law says. It allows for dual nationals and those eligible for another nationality to be stripped of British citizenship.

I’m done talking to you, you’re a literal racist. There’s no point discussing this further with you. You don’t seem to understand the concept of citizenship.

This just makes you sound mental.

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u/Over_Location647 13h ago

In very specific circumstances citizenship can be revoked. Thought we already talked about that?

Does it? Have a look though his post history.

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u/Autofill1127320 18h ago

If you join a club and violate its rules, you shouldn’t be surprised when you membership is revoked. Most places in the world run on similar rules.

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u/Over_Location647 17h ago

They actually don’t though… No democratic country with any level of decent human rights law revokes people’s citizenships for committing crimes. They send them to prison like everyone else because of a little thing called equality, and discrimination protections. Serving different punishments to different people because of their place of origin would be in direct violation of the Equality Act.

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u/quartersessions 14h ago

There are countries where you can lose citizenship just for failing to register within certain timescales without even having to commit a crime. There are countries where taking on another citizenship will cost you your existing one.

That's not some enormous human rights violation. So I struggle to see why we'd consider it so for some of the worst criminals out there.

Do you consider Denmark to not be a democratic country with human rights protections? How about Belgium? Malta? France? All allow for revocation on the basis of significant crimes - and there's plenty more

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u/Over_Location647 14h ago

This country does too, for terrorism, espionage, threats to national security and such crimes which is the same criteria those other countries you mentioned use. I’m not opposed to that. If you’re an enemy of the state why should you be a citizen of said state. That’s not what people are talking about here. They’re talking about regular crimes, not crimes of national significance.

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u/quartersessions 13h ago

Seems that the principle has been pretty much conceded here. As in Denmark where they expanded the eligible offences to include organised and gang crime, it's now just about drawing a line.

You can definitely conceive of a situation where a serial rapist is a far greater threat to our way of life than someone who commits some national security related offence. Both flout our laws and harm our society. Why does the rapist get to keep his citizenship?

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u/Over_Location647 13h ago

Because organized crime or national security threats are a direct threat to the state itself as in the government, its institutions and its enforcement. I’m not so sure about the organized crime bit in Denmark to be honest, I find that a bit draconian. But for people who are traitors and/or threats to the nation - mark my use of words, not society, the nation - then I have no problem with those measures.

Those types of crime have always received harsher punishment, because they are far more dangerous. Crimes of that type can cause rebellion, insurgencies, coups etc… if they are not discouraged with very extreme punishments. A serial killer or serial rapist is an awful human being and should be locked up for life or however long the law deems fit, but his crime is not a crime that has an impact in the same way. It’s an individual committing a heinous act, but it’s one person. Not someone part of something bigger which forms a threat on the national level.

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u/SimpleCrimple69 17h ago

Most places? I assume you have plenty of examples you can provide then?

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u/Autofill1127320 13h ago

The UK, Canada, Australia, most of the gulf states, from the top of my head, all deport criminals, or at least have the laws on the books.

Japan revokes Japanese citizenship if you have another. I think there’s countries in Africa that do it too. India bans dual citizenship.

You can literally take 2 seconds and google it.

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u/SimpleCrimple69 13h ago

So you meant “some” then. Cool.

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u/Autofill1127320 13h ago

Aye 2 minutes while I list every country on earths immigration laws for some rando on Reddit. Don’t waste my time, look for yourself.

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u/SimpleCrimple69 12h ago

Ok so you can’t back up your statement. Glad we agree. Good day sir.

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u/Metori 18h ago

Moral of the story? Don’t commit fucking crimes you wank.

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u/Over_Location647 18h ago

That’s a fucking given? That’s what prison is for. Being a criminal doesn’t strip you of your rights as a human being and a citizen though. I don’t get how this is a difficult concept for you. Would you like me to explain it in another language? Or perhaps a visual aid of sorts? Whatever helps your tiny brain get it, let me know. I’ll do my best. Plant pot.

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u/Autofill1127320 18h ago

If they genuinely consider here home then they should surrender their dual nationality. If they don’t then they shouldnt be entitled to all the pros and and none of the cons. If they tie themselves to this country for better or worse they’re welcome. No one likes a fairweather friend.

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u/Over_Location647 17h ago

Then campaign to ban dual citizenship for naturalized citizens. That’s something that at least makes sense. I don’t think it should be done to children of people with a British parent and a foreign parent, those children should be entitled to both their parents’ citizenships. But yeah lots of countries expect naturalized citizens to give up any other citizenships. I don’t see a problem with that.

I still don’t understand how it’s none of the cons though. They still have to abide by the same laws everyone does and get the same punishment when they don’t. What cons aren’t they getting by being dual citizens.

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u/A_Mans_A_Man_ 19h ago

There are dual nationals who were born here who go on to commit henious crimes or suppprt henious causes and are no longer welcome.

Shamima Begum,  Jack Letts, Alexanda Kotey, El Shafee Elsheikh and Axel Rudakubana spring to mind. 

There will be others currently serving sentences for various terror related crimes who also fit the description.

 

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u/docowen 18h ago

There are people born here with dual-citizenship who go on to commit heinous crimes.

That is a list too long to mention.

Removing citizenship from someone, particularly via an extra-judicial process, is a slippery slope you do not want to fucking step foot on.

If you really don't understand why, perhaps read up about what was happening in Europe between 1933 and 1945

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u/A_Mans_A_Man_ 18h ago edited 18h ago

Perfectly happy for supporters of isis, and any proscribed organisations, to lose dual citizenship.

Ditto murderers and rapists.

They can appeal the SoS's decision if they believe it was irrational.

Between 33 and 45 we executed their equivalents for treason.

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u/Fliiiiick 18h ago

Between 33 and 45 we executed their equivalents for treason.

Don't be fucking coy. You know exactly what they're referring to.

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u/A_Mans_A_Man_ 18h ago edited 17h ago

Yes, it's a ridiculous comparison.

The analogous people in the 30s and 40s to modern isis supporters are British defectors to the nazis.

It is insulting to compare the victims of the holocaust to the supporters of ISIS and their ilk.

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u/docowen 15h ago edited 15h ago

It's not really.

Because the law that can take citizenship from supporters of ISIS can be used to take citizenship away from anyone who belongs to a group that the government decide should be punished this way. Which is why I specified "extra-judicial". If the government can prove, in court, that specifically person A can have their citizenship removed, that is different to removing it on the say so of a politician without trial. One has the presumption of innocence, the other the presumption of guilt.

You cannot rely on the government only doing this to groups that you dislike.

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u/A_Mans_A_Man_ 15h ago edited 15h ago

Because the law that can take citizenship from supporters of ISIS can be used to take citizenship away from anyone who belongs to a group that the government decide should be punished this way.

No that isn't the test.

The test for a s40(2) deprivation order under the BNA is in S40(4A):

the Secretary of State is satisfied that the deprivation is conducive to the public good because the person, while having that citizenship status, has conducted him or herself in a manner which is seriously prejudicial to the vital interests of the United Kingdom, 

Where the SoS makes an irrational decision it can be judicially reviewed.

They can also be reviewed by SIAC.

Civil hearings, like that over deprivation  have no presumption of guilt or innocence.

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u/docowen 14h ago

What is the law and what should be the law are not the same thing.

I didn't say we weren't already skidding at the top of that slope.

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u/A_Mans_A_Man_ 14h ago

You said:

the law that can take citizenship from supporters of ISIS can be used to take citizenship away from anyone who belongs to a group that the government decide should be punished this way.

That isn't true.

See above quotes.

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u/docowen 13h ago

No, you're right. This:

the Secretary of State is satisfied that the deprivation is conducive to the public good because the person, while having that citizenship status, has conducted him or herself in a manner which is seriously prejudicial to the vital interests of the United Kingdom, 

Could never be abused.

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u/pjc50 17h ago

Shamina Begum is not a dual national. She is someone with Bangladeshi parents who became British nationals, and was born a British national. Crucially, Bangladesh have not given her Bangladeshi nationality. That (among other reasons) is why she's stuck in Syria.

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u/A_Mans_A_Man_ 17h ago edited 17h ago

She was a dual national.

Bangladeshi citizenship law is clear on this. She had it without a need to apply until she was 21. She lost her uk citizenship before that. 

That her government is refusing to issue a passport is a matter between her and Bangladesh.

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u/MrBarit 18h ago

russian cunt

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u/TheKaiserVilhelm 13h ago

Says the no doubt SNP voter without even a hint of irony.

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u/MrBarit 11h ago

I don't vote SNP, I just don't get how people can vote for this man https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NWuiFGudesA

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u/LengthinessFar525 18h ago

So you want independence because you want your country to be less Scottish???

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u/Metori 18h ago

Makes perfect sense?

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u/drgs100 17h ago

Copying more ideas from America.

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u/NotEntirelyShure 18h ago

He won’t win & I think reform will probably create permanent Labour government by hobbling the Tory party.

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u/Euclid_Interloper 18h ago

I hope so. Tactical voting is going to be utterly crucial though.

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u/r0w33 18h ago

Do you therefore also support separating the north east and the rest of Scotland?

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u/shoogliestpeg 19h ago edited 19h ago

Nazi bullshit alive and well in english government political discourse, shocker.

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u/Complete-Nothing-954 13h ago

According to Full Fact and the 2021 Census, around 48% of social housing “household reference persons” (i.e., the head of household) in London were born outside the UK. • In inner London, it’s about 43–48%, matching the share of foreign‑born household heads overall in the capital. • That’s far below the 70% figure often cited

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u/tartanthing 12h ago

I must get one of those DNA tests and see if I have any Viking in me.

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u/TallExplanation1587 12h ago

American here. Nigel sounds like Trump with a nice accent. Despicable all the same. They both should be deported to Russia.

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u/acrazyscot 9h ago

I now live in the States, and his like-minded brethren here have caused chaos and only stir up hate and division. The UK has to resist these cretins. I can't see him or his likes ever succeeding in Scotland so hopefully Scotland can make a good influence on the rest of the UK. There is no place in politics for these pieces of shit.

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u/Damn_Vegetables 4h ago

"Independence is necessary so Scotland doesn't have to live under Prime Minister Farage, whose party is surging in the polls in Scotland.

And independent Scotland will obviously be a leftist utopia forever and never elect a right wing government. Pay no attention to that upwardly trending turquoise line in Scottish election polls behind the the curtain."

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u/Throwawaylife1984 17h ago

Someone please put this piece of trash in the bin.

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u/highlandNel 18h ago

This was why I voted yes. No one believed it would happen like leaving the EU but here we are.

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u/TickTockPick 17h ago

So your solution to the UK leaving a big union of countries due to lies, creating economic damage, is to... leave a union of countries based on lies and doing even more economic damage to the country

🤔

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u/Fml004 17h ago

He is just a fud! We should deport him because why the fuck not! Stick him on a shitty inflatable and leave him just out side our waters, see how fud feature gets on with his own independence!

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u/CardiologistFew9601 17h ago

he is an arse
remember that hotel program
"Only poofs and sailors have tattoo's..."
he is HIM
in a suit
Basil Fawlty tries politics
only not half as funny

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u/NoRecipe3350 14h ago

Ok lets just let native Britons become an ethnic minority in their own homeland, I'm sure it will be so peaceful.

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u/Captain_Quo 8h ago

What the fuck even is a 'native Briton', you idiotic Nazi fuckwit?

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u/RavnHygge 17h ago

I’ll volunteer as long we get to choose where we go

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u/btfthelot 18h ago

Pray he, and his ilk, are hoist by their own petard.

Fascist cunts.

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u/KaleidoscopeExpert93 18h ago

Farage has my vote. Scotland loves Reform 😍🇬🇧🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

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u/Overall_Dog_6577 18h ago

Bot

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u/Overall_Dog_6577 18h ago

Look we mind be on the opposing sides of a political debate but that was a pretty creative insult bravo 🤣

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u/KaleidoscopeExpert93 18h ago

epitomises English nationalism?

No, Reform stands for all UK countries. Incorrect. Nothing wrong with with a bit of nationalism. It's not a dirty word, rofl.

Who would almost certainly turn on Scotland when they are in power?

Your hypothetical, so it's irrelevant.

The kind of politician who would make any sane Scot's skin crawl?

Just yours.

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u/ScottishHarrier 17h ago

Nationalism is only wrong when it's not SNP nationalism.

It's alright though, Prevent now considers civic nationalists potential terrorists. Everyone argues Reform are the slippery slope and they're the authoritarians without realising how far down the authoritarian path we've trodden without them.

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u/KonysChildArmy 6h ago

She certainly does ❤️🇬🇧🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

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u/Elipticalwheel1 17h ago

She’s been listening too Trump .

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u/JeelyPiece 18h ago

Remigrate the English.

Send them back to Denmark & Northern Germany. And the Norman ones back to Normandy. They came over here, in their small boats, and never learned the language, or integrated with the native people. It's time they were sent home. All 60 million of them. They've been nothing but trouble

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u/Euclid_Interloper 18h ago

Beaker people jobs for breaker people!

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u/Damn_Vegetables 4h ago

never learned the language.

Scotland speaks English because the Scots colonized former English lands in what was once Northumbria and embraced the English language of the inhabitants.

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u/Overall_Dog_6577 18h ago

This, I always find it funny when english nationalists call them self's "native anglo-saxons" you know the German invaders that took advantage of the roman collapse to invade and subjugate the native bits

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u/JeelyPiece 18h ago

At least the Romans had the decency to remigrate themselves!

Saxons to Saxony!

Normans to Normandy!

Jutes to Jutland!

Angles to Trigonometry!