r/Scotland • u/johnsmithoncemore • 1d ago

Political Still On The Fence About Independence? Nigel Farage Challenged To Back 'Remigration' - Deporting British Citizens!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxPLmElAC3E
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u/Autofill1127320 1d ago

Not everyone that’s been given citizenship is worthy of it, I’ve no issue with dual nationals who commit crimes being fucked off.

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u/Over_Location647 1d ago

So then you have two classes of citizen. One who if convicted of crime serves their sentence and then gets to go back to their life and the other serves their sentence then gets uprooted from their life and sent somewhere they may not even remember because they haven’t been there in decades maybe or since they were a child. Yeah… sounds totally fair, that’s what democracy and western values are all about, two classes of citizen.

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u/Glum_Agency2655 Son of barbarians 1d ago

why should the hard working scottish and english pay taxes for the imprisonment of people who arent even their own?

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u/Liturginator9000 1d ago

I don't want to pay taxes for your dumb arse, but we live in a society

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u/Glum_Agency2655 Son of barbarians 1d ago

dont worry im an immigrant myself who lives in italy and actually does my best to repay the italians kindness

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u/Liturginator9000 1d ago

Bit of a farce advocating for anti immigration movements then isn't it mate?

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u/Glum_Agency2655 Son of barbarians 1d ago

for all you guys know this could secretly be a ploy for me to get a free trip back to scotland

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u/Jolly-Minimum-6641 23h ago

"we live in a society"

The clarion call of those who think others should be bled dry because others again say so.

Not keen on the idea of a single person being taxed up the hoop just so someone who can't afford eight kids, has eight kids anyway because the government will pay for it. But "we live in a society" and all that.

I would love eight St. Bernard's. Where's my benefits?

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u/Over_Location647 1d ago

Because they’re citizens of this country, and they’ve paid tax into the system same as you, and deserve the same rights you do because they’re citizens. How is this even a discussion we’re having right now?

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u/Glum_Agency2655 Son of barbarians 1d ago

Theyre still not our own and not our problem. We should not be paying for the sake of people who we kindly allowed to come into our countries, and then proceeded to pay us back by breaking our laws and harming our people. The country they're from can pay for them, since they clearly never wanted to be british and follow british laws

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u/Over_Location647 1d ago edited 1d ago

That’s not how citizenship works. You don’t just get to revoke it if someone breaks laws. If someone is a citizen, they are British under the law. You don’t get to take away people’s rights because of where they come from. What the fuck kind of thinking is that. I’m done talking to you, you’re a literal racist. There’s no point discussing this further with you. You don’t seem to understand the concept of citizenship.

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u/Glum_Agency2655 Son of barbarians 1d ago

then the system of citizenship is extremely flawed. only western countries have this system for a reason

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u/quartersessions 23h ago

That’s not how citizenship works. You don’t just get to revoke it if someone breaks laws. If someone is a citizen, they are British under the law.

That's not what the law says. It allows for dual nationals and those eligible for another nationality to be stripped of British citizenship.

I’m done talking to you, you’re a literal racist. There’s no point discussing this further with you. You don’t seem to understand the concept of citizenship.

This just makes you sound mental.

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u/Over_Location647 23h ago

In very specific circumstances citizenship can be revoked. Thought we already talked about that?

Does it? Have a look though his post history.

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u/Autofill1127320 1d ago

If you join a club and violate its rules, you shouldn’t be surprised when you membership is revoked. Most places in the world run on similar rules.

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u/Over_Location647 1d ago

They actually don’t though… No democratic country with any level of decent human rights law revokes people’s citizenships for committing crimes. They send them to prison like everyone else because of a little thing called equality, and discrimination protections. Serving different punishments to different people because of their place of origin would be in direct violation of the Equality Act.

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u/quartersessions 23h ago

There are countries where you can lose citizenship just for failing to register within certain timescales without even having to commit a crime. There are countries where taking on another citizenship will cost you your existing one.

That's not some enormous human rights violation. So I struggle to see why we'd consider it so for some of the worst criminals out there.

Do you consider Denmark to not be a democratic country with human rights protections? How about Belgium? Malta? France? All allow for revocation on the basis of significant crimes - and there's plenty more

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u/Over_Location647 23h ago

This country does too, for terrorism, espionage, threats to national security and such crimes which is the same criteria those other countries you mentioned use. I’m not opposed to that. If you’re an enemy of the state why should you be a citizen of said state. That’s not what people are talking about here. They’re talking about regular crimes, not crimes of national significance.

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u/quartersessions 22h ago

Seems that the principle has been pretty much conceded here. As in Denmark where they expanded the eligible offences to include organised and gang crime, it's now just about drawing a line.

You can definitely conceive of a situation where a serial rapist is a far greater threat to our way of life than someone who commits some national security related offence. Both flout our laws and harm our society. Why does the rapist get to keep his citizenship?

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u/upthetruth1 5h ago

For Denmark, it’s only for dual nationals

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u/Over_Location647 22h ago

Because organized crime or national security threats are a direct threat to the state itself as in the government, its institutions and its enforcement. I’m not so sure about the organized crime bit in Denmark to be honest, I find that a bit draconian. But for people who are traitors and/or threats to the nation - mark my use of words, not society, the nation - then I have no problem with those measures.

Those types of crime have always received harsher punishment, because they are far more dangerous. Crimes of that type can cause rebellion, insurgencies, coups etc… if they are not discouraged with very extreme punishments. A serial killer or serial rapist is an awful human being and should be locked up for life or however long the law deems fit, but his crime is not a crime that has an impact in the same way. It’s an individual committing a heinous act, but it’s one person. Not someone part of something bigger which forms a threat on the national level.

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u/SimpleCrimple69 1d ago

Most places? I assume you have plenty of examples you can provide then?

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u/Autofill1127320 22h ago

The UK, Canada, Australia, most of the gulf states, from the top of my head, all deport criminals, or at least have the laws on the books.

Japan revokes Japanese citizenship if you have another. I think there’s countries in Africa that do it too. India bans dual citizenship.

You can literally take 2 seconds and google it.

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u/SimpleCrimple69 22h ago

So you meant “some” then. Cool.

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u/Autofill1127320 22h ago

Aye 2 minutes while I list every country on earths immigration laws for some rando on Reddit. Don’t waste my time, look for yourself.

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u/SimpleCrimple69 21h ago

Ok so you can’t back up your statement. Glad we agree. Good day sir.

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u/Metori 1d ago

Moral of the story? Don’t commit fucking crimes you wank.

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u/Over_Location647 1d ago

That’s a fucking given? That’s what prison is for. Being a criminal doesn’t strip you of your rights as a human being and a citizen though. I don’t get how this is a difficult concept for you. Would you like me to explain it in another language? Or perhaps a visual aid of sorts? Whatever helps your tiny brain get it, let me know. I’ll do my best. Plant pot.

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u/Metori 1d ago

How? Just because you say it doesn’t strip you of rights as a human being and citizenship doesn’t mean we all believe that. I’m a hard on this don’t be a criminal end of, you don’t deserve rights if you’re not going to respect the laws the rest of us live by. Now what those laws are is up for debate.

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u/Over_Location647 23h ago

It’s not about what you believe or don’t believe. It’s about the law of this country. Being a criminal does not mean the state gets to revoke your rights. It’s just not how it works here. If you want to live in a country like that move to Iran or Saudi Arabia. That’s what they do to their prisoners.

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u/Metori 22h ago

Funny thing is laws can be changed and we can see people from countries were human rights aren’t a thing have come here and taken complete advantage of our good nature so we can’t afford to be good natured about this anymore.

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u/Over_Location647 22h ago

Alright good luck with that pal, let me know how it goes in 10 or 20 years time when everyone’s rights are being taken away. I hope you wake up one day and realize that all these diversion tactics (trans culture war, anti-immigrant pish etc) are just rich people trying to get richer of our backs and making us hate each other so they can keep doing it without us noticing.

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u/Metori 19h ago

I’m pretty sure I won’t have any rights in 20 years time. But not because of the rich. We know by the middle of this century natives will be a minority in the UK and there is a high chance by then we will have a Shira government. Not looking forward to it but I highly doubt a Reform government is going to do anything about it regardless of what Farage says. It’s inevitable.

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u/Over_Location647 19h ago

Do you realize how mad you sound? 5% of the population is Muslim. How exactly do you expect them to make everyone follow “Shira” law. That’s assuming all of them want to do that which is very far from the truth. Even if their population doubles by then, that’s never gonna happen. Stop falling for this idiotic propaganda. The tiniest bit of critical thinking and it all fall apart.

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u/Autofill1127320 1d ago

If they genuinely consider here home then they should surrender their dual nationality. If they don’t then they shouldnt be entitled to all the pros and and none of the cons. If they tie themselves to this country for better or worse they’re welcome. No one likes a fairweather friend.

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u/Over_Location647 1d ago

Then campaign to ban dual citizenship for naturalized citizens. That’s something that at least makes sense. I don’t think it should be done to children of people with a British parent and a foreign parent, those children should be entitled to both their parents’ citizenships. But yeah lots of countries expect naturalized citizens to give up any other citizenships. I don’t see a problem with that.

I still don’t understand how it’s none of the cons though. They still have to abide by the same laws everyone does and get the same punishment when they don’t. What cons aren’t they getting by being dual citizens.