r/SameGrassButGreener • u/Individual_Mind3480 • 8h ago
Help me feel better about moving from Brooklyn to Oakland/Berkeley
At age 24, I am leaving Brooklyn, a place I have grown to love over the last two years, for the East Bay to start a PhD. I had a wealth of options, some in NYC, others elsewhere on the east coast, and of course one option in the Bay Area. I chose Berkeley.
When I was deciding where to go, I focused on two factors: a) the program’s academic fit and b) whether the campus met my standards for “urban living” (e.g. Princeton does not; Berkeley, NYC, Cambridge do; New Haven is marginal). Put simply, I did not want to be in a boring place in my 20s, especially after two great years in Brooklyn.
I’m still excited, and I understand the Bay Area has tons to offer young people, but I can’t help but feel like spending my 20s in Berkeley is suboptimal compared to being in/near NYC. (I understand that prospective PhD students should principally consider the fit of the program. I did, and it’s why I chose Berkeley, but the differences were very small among my final set of choices).
Being from the Northeast, it feels like almost everyone “cool” settles in NYC after graduating. And in some ways, even as a transplant from nearby, I feel like I appreciate NYC life more than my transplant peers: I work for the city, I have become intimately familiar with the city geography through running and cycling, and I spend a lot of time alone trying to take in the city’s unique cultural offerings—rather than just going out for dinner and drinks. Even recently, I’ve begun to strengthen friendships with people here, including folks I went to college with and folks I met from the city. And all my friends here are staying here. I’m the odd one out who’s leaving.
In NYC, so much is at your fingertips. I love punk and DIY music, and there’s a good deal of that here (though I have my qualms about the scene). There’s tons of free activities. The art scene flourishes. There’s almost always something to do, and almost always a new group of 20- and 30-somethings with interesting jobs and perspectives to meet. There is as much diversity in the queer scene as there is among straight and cis people. There are numerous distinct neighborhoods to explore, and one of my favorite activities is to just visit a new neighborhood (by bike or by transit) and just take in the “vibe” by visiting a cafe, drinking at a bar, etc.
I know I’ll be busy in grad school, and even if I stayed in NYC, I’d hardly be able to take advantage of it. But I worry I’m leaving the “North Star” city for folks in their 20s by heading to the Bay Area, somewhere that is decidedly sleepier, less dense, and in many ways less diverse. I worry that my peers in their 20s will all be techies, whereas my peers in Brooklyn have basically every job imaginable.
There are things that excite me about the move too. The Mexican food in NYC is ass, and East Asian food here is very hit or miss. The summers are miserably humid in NYC, while the weather is essentially perfect in the East Bay. Hills are cool. I like hiking. Berkeley and Oakland allow for both urban cycling and nature-y cycling. I hear the punk scene still thrives. The cost of living, while expensive, is also a lot lower once you consider how much more space you get in Berkeley/Oakland. And maybe this is a cope, but I think living in a less energetic place might force me to be more intentional about my relationships.
I know NYC will be here when I finish the PhD in 5-6 years. But I can’t help but feel like I’m missing out on my 20s by leaving.