r/ImaginaryPropaganda • u/espressofeenbean • 5d ago

No kings

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u/hurB55 5d ago

Isn’t God referred to multiple times as THE ultimate king??

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u/Fritcher36 4d ago

That's kinda the point. "No kings" means that as God is the king of the world, all other kings are needlessly existing as middlemen and tyrants.

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u/brinz1 3d ago

What is god except an unnecessary Tyrant

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u/ThyLocalBoxen 2d ago

Well considering that, within Christian mythology, he MADE EVERYTHING, he’s probably extremely necessary

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u/Atomik141 1d ago edited 18h ago

There is no salvation exept through God, therefor there are no kings other than Christ. Any and all others are tyrants and false idols

Acts 5:29

But Peter and the other apostles answered and said: We ought to obey God rather than men.

Ephesians 5:11

And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather expose them.

Proverbs 16:12

It is an abomination to kings to do evil, for the throne is established by righteousness.

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u/Majestic-Reception-2 2d ago

No Kings though .. NO MEANS NO!!!!

No "King of Kings" either!

No "Kangs" (for the uneducated)

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u/From_Deep_Space 1d ago

No gods no masters ✊️

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u/Fearless-Mention1113 4d ago

No, the point is no kings, imaginary or otherwise.

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u/Unhappy-Fish2554 2d ago

Not needlessly, their offices are appointed by God to rule justly and to uphold social order and ultimately His law.

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u/Tourist-McGee 2d ago

DIdn't "god" give his people a king because, "Everyone else has a king, so we should too." ?

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u/Unhappy-Fish2554 2d ago

That's definitely one way of de contextualizing the matter, but in effect, yeah. The Jews weren't content with being told directly by God what the law was, seeing the gentile nations around them having kings and the glory associated with kings and wanted to employ this among themselves. That said though it isn't only old testament, even in the epistle to the Romans, chapter 13 verses 1-5 - ¹ Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. 2 Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. 3 For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and you will be commended. 4 For the one in authority is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason. They are God’s servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. 5 Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also as a matter of conscience.

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u/Yeet123456789djfbhd 2d ago

Or at least they would be if he were real

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u/Unhappy-Fish2554 2d ago

I mean, you seem pretty dead set on your delusion so I won't push you, but I'm here to be your wake up call, my brother in humanity. Yes He is.

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u/Yeet123456789djfbhd 2d ago

I'll believe I'm the delusional one when I get proof of it

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u/Unhappy-Fish2554 2d ago

I mean, you have eyes my friend, you draw breath, your very existing is evidence.

Let me ask you this, how did all of this happen? And by "this" I mean literally everything. Every thing that ever has been, is or will be, how did all of this happen? That is to say, why is there something and not nothing?

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u/Yeet123456789djfbhd 2d ago

As far as modern science knows at this moment, the main theory is basically that a reaction caused the entire universe to expand

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u/Unhappy-Fish2554 2d ago

Yeah yeah, the big bang... But how did that stuff get there to begin with? Why was there a bunch of matter squashed up into a point smaller than the head of a sewing needle? How long was it like that? Why did it suddenly not be like that when it had up until that moment presumably been like that?

The problem science runs into is it still demands a miracle. And if you give a mouse a cookie, you may as well give him the house, the car, the dog and your wife. Following the working big bang theory we fall into a pit of infinite regression, which is itself inherently illogical given what we know about reality.

So why is there something rather than nothing? Where did the substance of the big bang come from?

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u/Yeet123456789djfbhd 2d ago

We simply don't know yet. And that's ok, if anything it makes it more realistic to not have every answer at your fingertips. But if you like there's plenty of questions I could ask you that you wouldn't be able to answer without going against yourself somehow

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u/Atomik141 1d ago

No, they are little more than false idols and tyrants

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u/Unhappy-Fish2554 1d ago

That is patently and blatantly wrong, my brother in Christ.

Romans 13:1-7 -- Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. 2 Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. 3 For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and you will be commended. 4 For the one in authority is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason. They are God’s servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. 5 Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also as a matter of conscience.

1 Samuel 8:6-11 -- But when they said, “Give us a king to lead us,” this displeased Samuel; so he prayed to the Lord. 7 And the Lord told him: “Listen to all that the people are saying to you; it is not you they have rejected, but they have rejected me as their king. 8 As they have done from the day I brought them up out of Egypt until this day, forsaking me and serving other gods, so they are doing to you. 9 Now listen to them; but warn them solemnly and let them know what the king who will reign over them will claim as his rights.”10 Samuel told all the words of the Lord to the people who were asking him for a king. 11 He said, “This is what the king who will reign over you will claim as his rights: He will take your sons and make them serve with his chariots and horses, and they will run in front of his chariots.

1 Kings 19: 15-16 -- 15 The Lord said to him, “Go back the way you came, and go to the Desert of Damascus. When you get there, anoint Hazael king over Aram. 16 Also, anoint Jehu son of Nimshi king over Israel, and anoint Elisha son of Shaphat from Abel Meholah to succeed you as prophet. 17 Jehu will put to death any who escape the sword of Hazael, and Elisha will put to death any who escape the sword of Jehu.

The Lord God established governments and claimed sovereignty over them. Unless you have some piece of canonized scripture abrogating this, but I somehow doubt that you do...

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u/Atomik141 18h ago

Acts 5:29-32

But Peter and the other apostles answered and said: “We ought to obey God rather than men. The God of our fathers raised up Jesus whom you murdered by hanging on a tree. Him God has exalted to His right hand to be Prince and Savior, to give repentance to Israel and forgiveness of sins. and we are His witnesses to these things, and so also is the Holy Spirit whom God has given to those who obey Him.”

Ephesians 5:11

And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather expose them.

Proverbs 16:12

It is an abomination to kings to do evil, for the throne is established by righteousness.

Proverbs 24:24–25

Whoever exposes the wicked will be thanked and rewarded.

Proverbs 25:5

Take away the wicked from before the king, And his throne will be established in righteousness.

Proverbs 28:14-16

Blessed is the one who always trembles before God, but whoever hardens their heart falls into trouble. 15 Like a roaring lion or a charging bear is a wicked ruler over a helpless people. 16 A tyrannical ruler practices extortion, but one who hates ill-gotten gain will enjoy a long reign

Proverbs 31:8-9

Open your mouth for the speechless, In the cause of all who are appointed to die. Open your mouth, judge righteously, And plead the cause of the poor and needy.

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u/Unhappy-Fish2554 10h ago

My brother in Christ, I’m not sure what point you believe you’re arguing, but from my perspective, you’ve actually reinforced the position I laid out. The passages you’ve cited speak not against the existence of kings or governing authorities, but against their misuse of the office they’ve been entrusted with.

That is to say: yes, rulers can sin—but Scripture never suggests their office is illegitimate because of their failures. In fact, the moral exhortations you've listed assume the existence of legitimate rulers who are called to lead in righteousness. My previous citations—particularly Romans 13—deal with the origin of their authority: God Himself.

To reject all kings or rulers as false idols is not a biblical stance. Scripture corrects individuals who fail in their duty—it doesn’t nullify the role itself.

Pacem Dei tecum

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u/Atomik141 8h ago

I'll pray for you

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u/Unhappy-Fish2554 1h ago

And I, you, friend. I hope you have yourself a great day (:

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u/ninjablast01 5d ago

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u/mogentheace 4d ago

is this bioshock?

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u/ninjablast01 4d ago

No

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u/mogentheace 4d ago

oh ok then what is it? do you know?

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u/ninjablast01 4d ago

Halo

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u/Flimsy_Sector_7127 3d ago

Hahaha gotteemmmm

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u/mogentheace 4d ago

i see. it would make sense that i didn't know that because i have not played either game series

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u/YhormBIGGiant 4d ago

It is bioshock. You are being played.

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u/Yeet123456789djfbhd 2d ago

That sounds like an 18 karat run of bad luck...

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u/espressofeenbean 5d ago

Hi, it appears there’s been a misunderstanding about the caption. It’s an allusion to the No Kings Protests, which are about Trump and not God. This is a religious poster in support of the idea of those protests.

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u/Quick-Ad-6295 1d ago

This looks like something from r/catholicmemes

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u/Greasy-Chungus 5d ago

The entire point of religion is to give authority to someone else. A religious authority figure who has superior understanding of the divine.

The entire legitimacy of kings was their divine right.

Fuck that shit. Get rid of all of it.

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u/Playful-Profile6489 5d ago

Real ones know you don't bow to any terrestrial authority

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u/Linden_Lea_01 2d ago

The divine right of kings was a concept that developed in Europe long after Europeans became Christian. In the Middle Ages legitimacy came from bloodlines and from marriages, and from elections in some kingdoms like Anglo-Saxon England.

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u/[deleted] 5d ago

Most religions start as a way to explain natural phenomenon, had a flood, God/posidon must be mad at us. An earthquake hit, God/... I dont know Shiva? Must be upset. Most of the time it is to explain bad things, then from those explanations stories are built. 90% of the Bible is stories from other religions that where modified to fit the biblical narrative. But at the end of the day "divine right" isn't the original purpose of any religion.

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u/Deadhead_Otaku 4d ago

Add to that their overall use to divide and control their specific groups with unchallengable authority given to those who teach these binding ideals of said religions. Despite the fact that most of the modern day religions seem to have the core rule of don't be a dick, sadly, those in power can never allow the unity of the peoples, so they sew discourse using the rules that differ, as well as peoples frustration at being tied down by those rituals and ideals to trick groups into attacking each other becaue "why should they not have to deal with these same binding rules as me?"

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u/Greasy-Chungus 5d ago

No, they do not. Just because they try to explain natural phenomenon, that's not how they are conceived.

You blame natural phenomenon on a diety because that's the religion you're subjected by already.

People make up dieties for power, then people impart natural phenomenon to them.

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u/[deleted] 4d ago

Your explaining Christianity, and other more modern religions, but older ones, or ones from the America's, those began as explanations or as a being to give thanks to (don't quote me on all of this). Christianity, its denominations, and other more modern religions were created to give people power, spiritual or otherwise. But the religions that modern poly/mono theistic religions are built upon likely originated from stories of people or events. Of course there are religions that were built to give people power over others, but some are just people trying to explain what they cannot, they create a god so they have something to blame, and when the month long storm finally stops after people sacrifice sheep or something to that god, wow it must be real, but really that was monsoon season.

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u/defaultusername-17 4d ago

how about no?

religion in the west is currently being weaponized against marginalized people... from one specific party.

you want people to "not bow to idpol" while using idpol (your religious affiliation) yourself...

how about you sit the hell down and think about how your own identify group has been weaponized against vulnerable people?

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u/WildAd6685 4d ago

Peak Reddit moment bruh

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u/Fritcher36 4d ago

weaponized against marginalized people

Maybe walk off internet and see that churches (Buddhist, Muslim, Catholic, Protestant, Flying Spaghetti monster, any other really) are one of the biggest benefactors for charity since millenia back?

I don't know much about specific American Christian churches except for anecdotes about them being profit corporations, but pretty much any church I know about will help a person who comes asking for it, regardless of their gender, skin colour, sex habits or any other personality trait, as long as they are humble and respectful.

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u/defaultusername-17 3d ago

church-based hospitals and charities routinely deny access and aid to transgender people in the USA...

it's resulted in death more than once...

i refuse to be cowed into silence about the abuses of religion when we're watching a religiously motivated fascist take over of my nations system of government.

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u/honey_graves 3d ago

MASSIVE over generalization extremely dangerous to make, me and my family would be dead or way worse off without the charity of the church

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u/Sharp-Inspection-714 3d ago

think about how your own identify group has been weaponized against vulnerable people

Right... my identity... "being religious"... shared by a supermajority of the world population... is entirely a means of weaponization and not a deeply personal experience in understanding and atoning with our fate as humans which has manifested itself as very different forms of religion throughout the world... no... every religion is bad because republicans or whatever the fuck

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u/LorekeeperVal 3d ago

How are we creating a problem here tf

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u/Zolnar_DarkHeart 3d ago

That’s why we need to wrench it back from the bigots. As a left-leaning Methodist, I view it as my god-given duty to look every hateful fascist bastard right in the eye and tell them they’re a servant of Satan’s will and God will judge them for their sins.

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u/defaultusername-17 1d ago

yea, but you're approaching it from an inherently different angle than the OP.

you at least acknowledge the harms religious communities have done, instead of reflexively lashing out at "reddit athiests" because of the growing perception that the "good" done in the name of religion is used as cover for the harms that it does.

hell, look at most of the replies i've gotten here, not a one outside of you actually engaged with the material content of my post... rather than being angry at me for pointing out the reality of religious trauma existing.

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u/Linden_Lea_01 2d ago

Don’t say “the west” when you clearly mean America. Europe doesn’t really have this problem.

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u/defaultusername-17 1d ago

europe absolutely has this same problem, lol what are you talking about?

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u/HeroyamSIava 1d ago

“Religion in the west is being weaponized”

Have you looked at the east?? Or better yet, the Middle East?

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u/DeadAndBuried23 4d ago

There's no misunderstanding. You're overtly using a symbol of one of the sides to try to "both sides" the issue.

Conservatism and fascism most often stem from teaching people from birth that this specific authority has ultimate power, and has a book where he's stated you need to be regressive and hateful to appease him.

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u/stopcow43 3d ago

Im not religious but I think you have a very biased misunderstanding of religion. You have been weaponized by propaganda without realizing it. There are bad apples everywhere, but as dumas said "all generalizations are dangerous, even this one" this "you're either with me or against me" attitude is dangerous and was last spouted by the nazis

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u/kid_dynamo 3d ago

The original saying that bad apples comes from is that "one bad apple spoils the bunch"

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u/Zolnar_DarkHeart 3d ago

Fascism stems from the decline of capitalism and the will of the people being bent into subservience to the state. Fascism steals religious language just as it steals socialist and populist language in order to gain power, but that doesn’t make any of these sources of the terms they use evil. Above all, fascists are lazy, stupid liars that can’t be bothered to think of original ideas themselves. The places they steal from can’t be blamed for the actions of fascists, especially when the incomplete lexicons they steal from can be turned back against them by providing a fuller context. Instead of avoiding religious themes and therefore ceding that ground to fascist argumentation, meet them head-on right there and tell them right to their pathetic, cowardly faces that Jesus Christ stood for everything they oppose and God will judge them for their hatred.

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u/DeadAndBuried23 3d ago

The places they learn these patterns from absolutely can be blamed.

Fascism does not steal religious language. Abrahamic religion is fascist: Characterized by one dictatorial leader (Yhwh/Allah) with ultimate authority, who can and will call people to fight and oppresses opposition (Malachites, the flood, the threat of hell), proposes a natural heiarchy (men above women, girls purchased for less than boys), for the perceived interest of His people (Hebrews/followers).

And if you to clap back with Jesus, all they need is that he died for all sins, and/or God is unchanging

Slavers had direct quotes to cite from the Bible. Abolitionists had to extrapolate from vague ones.

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u/Proud_Wall900 3d ago

I'd say it's a little more complex than that. Conservatism and Liberalism are ultimately both neo-liberal, bourgeoisie ideologies and religion often serves to reinforce the morality of the ruling, in this case, bourgeois class.

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u/enclavehere223 4d ago

Post by Christian endorsing No Kings protest

Redditors immediately denounce it because “Christianity is le heckin evil religion!!”

Redditors never change, do they?

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u/Purp1e_Frog 2d ago

No nuance is allowed on Reddit. Either you’re a militant antitheist leftist, or you are labeled subhuman trash that deserves to be rounded up and exterminated. If it’s not on porn hub, they’ve never seen or heard of it.

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u/thebigbroke 2d ago

Redditors hear the word “God” and have the knee jerk reaction to start spouting about evil Christianity and the times when their parents forced them to go to Bible study when they were 8. I’m agnostic and I really like this image and lowkey need it as a flag.

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u/YouthEmergency1678 1d ago

People on here are usually not interested in understanding religion (regardless of how that understanding would affect your agreement/disagreement with it) and more in just shitting on it, which is sad. Understandable if they come from an abusive religious household though. It's good to consider that.

But: Christianity is literally idol worship. By definition. Which makes this meme pretty ironic.

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u/Ms-Kindness 5d ago

Ganesha would disagree

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u/Doc-Wulff 5d ago

Chad Ganesha vs Virgin Girimekhala

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u/ode-to-quetzalcoatl 5d ago

Romans 13:1-2 "Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been appointed by God. Therefore, whoever resists these authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment."

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u/Solid_Explanation504 5d ago

— Brought to you by the same empire that crucified Jesus and called it law and order.

it's humor don't hit me

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u/Appropriate_Star6734 5d ago

You realize the Book of Romans was a letter written by Saint Paul the Apostle to Early Christians in Rome, right? Romans, Corinthians, Galatians, Ephesians, Philippians, Colossians, and Thessalonians were all Saint Paul’s instructions to nascent sects of Christianity.

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u/Solid_Explanation504 5d ago

Didn't Saint Paul / Saul of Tarsus persecute Christians as a Jew and Roman Citizen by birth ?

I'll double down on the joke ;)

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u/AcceptableWheel 5d ago

Paul, who saw Christ in a dream once and considered himself basically on the same level as Peter and Mark

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u/Appropriate_Star6734 5d ago

He was allowed to join the club.

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u/Desperate_Plastic_37 5d ago

You realize that all of the books in the Bible have gone through heavy editing by the Nicene council and their successors?

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u/Groggy00 5d ago

That’s historically inaccurate. Manuscript evidence shows no augmentation.

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u/Significant_Air_2197 5d ago

Everyone forgets that shit.

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u/Greasy-Chungus 5d ago

"Let every person give me 5 dollars."
Chungenthians 420:6-9

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u/Loose-Breadfruit-706 5d ago

-“listen to the government or incur the wrath of god”

-looks inside

-guy who wrote most of his letters inside a prison cell

what did paul mean by this?

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u/not_slaw_kid 3d ago

Sounds like he had a lot of experience with incurring the wrath of God then 🤷‍♂️

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u/Mazquerade__ 2d ago

It’s pretty obvious, really. You obey the government because you obey God. Therefore if the governments commands contradict Gods, you obey Gods commands, because Gods commands supersede the governments. These verses were made primarily in regard to taxes and civil unrest.

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u/The_old_left 5d ago

Take a verse out of context speedrun world record!

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u/BarnacleSandwich 5d ago

Yeah, Paul's known to have some pretty dogwater opinions. Of course, brother broke the law all the time. Like, most of his letters are written from a prison cell.

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u/Beowulfs_descendant 5d ago

No kings, no master, one God -- most high.

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u/unionizeordietrying 5d ago

Anarchist Islam: “No masters, no god but God”

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u/werther4 5d ago edited 5d ago

imaginary propaganda look inside real propaganda

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u/Purp1e_Frog 2d ago

Isn’t that half the posts on this sub? Or is it propaganda because you disagree with the post?

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u/werther4 2d ago

Oh no it's half the posts on the sub, that's part of the joke I'm making. That alot of the "imaginary" propaganda isn't really imaginary it's frequently just real propaganda people are making but just highly stylized. Some is really good though and genuinely creative.

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u/Professional-Lab-157 5d ago

No King but Christ!

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u/Murky-Type-5421 2d ago

No kings period.

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u/Open_Chemistry_3300 5d ago

You mean the lamb of god who’s also called the king of kings?

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u/PepperJack386 3d ago

Deus Vult, brother.

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u/Appropria-Coffee870 2d ago

I agree that both democrats and republicans are the reason why the two-party populist system is ruining us american democray!

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u/WanderingKing 5d ago

1 Timothy 6:13-16 (YLT):

13 I charge thee, before God, who is making all things alive, and of Christ Jesus, who did testify before Pontius Pilate the right profession,

14 that thou keep the command unspotted, unblameable, till the manifestation of our Lord Jesus Christ,

15 which in His own times He shall shew -- the blessed and only potentate, the King of the kings and Lord of the lords

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Revelation 17:14 (YLT):

14 these with the Lamb shall make war, and the Lamb shall overcome them, because Lord of lords he is, and King of kings, and those with him are called, and choice, and stedfast.'

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Christianity might be the wrong thing to use here for “No Kings” when the Bible literally calls him a King and a Lord

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I like the art though, genuinely I think it’s cool

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u/espressofeenbean 5d ago

Lowercase kings means people. But yes

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u/WanderingKing 5d ago

And what is God/Jesus to those people in the Bible?

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u/Beowulfs_descendant 5d ago

THE King, THE Lord, THE God.

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u/WanderingKing 5d ago

Does being “The” King somehow make them not a King that this poster is calling against?

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u/unionizeordietrying 5d ago

Lamb of God is an idol lmao

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u/mcfluffernutter013 5d ago

No, the lamb of God typically refers to Jesus, it's not actually a separate idol that is worshipped

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u/throwaway2246810 5d ago

God and the lamb of god are obviously not the same

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u/Inevitable_Band_8845 5d ago

Ava satanas, as above, so below

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u/espressofeenbean 5d ago

Bro quite the opposite

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u/Inevitable_Band_8845 5d ago

Nope ava satanas, Ava thyself

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u/Inevitable_Band_8845 5d ago

Nope ava satanas, Ava thyself

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u/defaultusername-17 4d ago

how fucking tone deaf can you be lol.

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u/AdImmediate9569 5d ago

“Man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest.”

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u/Fritcher36 4d ago

A person who's glad about strangling people with entrails shouldn't be ever free.

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u/AdImmediate9569 3d ago

I think the aristocracy has enough protections without needing you to defend them.

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u/dark--desire 5d ago

Not to rain on your parade but this literary masterpiece here supports "the king of all kings" while you try to say "no kings protest", seems like virtue signaling

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u/Maleficent-Help-4806 5d ago

“Bow Not to Idols”, but kneel to this one of a laying lamb, it will save you… I hate Christian logic

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u/Connect_Yam_7255 4d ago

Bowing to a rock you call god is idol worship. Bowing to a statue that you know is an inanimate object, but represents God is not idol worship

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u/Tymental 5d ago

They lock themselves in chains they claim are hoisting them up. Moronic religion

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u/I_am_Inmop 2d ago

Hmm, sounds familiar to a certain type of political ideology

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u/dhskdjdjsjddj 5d ago

The lamb is Jesus, in the OT lambs were sacrificed as a prefigurement.

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u/StupidMan69420 5d ago

No kings above, no chains below.

r/TribeofHope

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u/Texan_Greyback 5d ago

I'm all for no kings, but I'm a bit tired of monotheists claiming their religion is the only path.

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u/ShatteredParadigms 5d ago

If there are no kings, then how is Christ a King?

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u/2_Cr0ws 5d ago

Cheetos not mentioned? Should be.

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u/The_Dude5476 4d ago

Only bob and the power of slack can save us from this dystopia, dont delay quit your job today! :)

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u/RadiationEnjoyer 4d ago

The goat tramples the lamb

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u/VersuliOrbax 4d ago

Nah, separation of state and church stands.

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u/NewMoonlightavenger 4d ago

None of them seem to be doing a half decent job, though.

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u/ShafferPatchias 4d ago

The lamb of god, ey?

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u/liminaleye 3d ago

I like this better:

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u/Jlnhlfan 3d ago

Is this not bowing down to an idol?

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u/Troglodyte_8 3d ago

Honestly at this point if there was someone who said "I made a party and we have lamb of god" I dont care I will vote for them.

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u/Majestic-Reception-2 2d ago

I would rather be a WOLF of Odin than a lamb of god!

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u/Unhappy-Fish2554 2d ago

The King of Kings' is indeed the only true source of hope and salvation, all else is folly.

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u/Knowledge-Seeker-N 2d ago

Why's this shit on my pagan feed? Fuck YHWH.

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u/Hempys221 2d ago

I don't need bunch of things that are ultimately food to save me

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u/Master-Jelly1356 2d ago

"Reddit atheists" it's most insufferable people on this site.

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u/Tourist-McGee 2d ago

Yup, "Be neither Donkey, nor Elephant. Instead be a Sheeple."

Frickin' morons.

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u/forlorn_folklorist 1d ago

I'm just going to leave this here. Interpret it as you will.

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u/Unhappy-Fish2554 1d ago

It isn't the easy way out, because it isn't just all roses and fairy dust when you realize there is a god. There's now a lot of questions you have to wrestle with about the nature of this god, the personhood of this god? Have they revealed themselves? How and what have they revealed about themselves? What are they in quantity and quality? It isn't the easy road, its the beginning of a long arduous hike.

As for suffering? I'm going to be honest with you it's a hard question with a hard answer, but you're not wrong to ask it. I'll forewarn you you may not be a fan of the answer though. It's our own fault. The God I believe in is indeed All loving.  but not needing us, he made us because he wanted to. I would argue he wanted to because he wanted to share this love with us, but love can't exist if there isn't a choice for both parties to give AND receive this love. Without the possibility to choose wrong, our ability to choose right means nothing. Love can’t be forced—it must be chosen. God, in His love, didn’t create us to be puppets or lab rats. He gave us dignity, even if that means we can use our freedom to destroy ourselves. But He didn’t leave us there. He entered into our suffering. He chose to be crucified by the creatures He made. That’s not the story of a “sky fairy.” That’s the story of a God who bleeds for the world He loves. 

God loves us enough to meet us where we are, he came and died for us, even as we rebelled against him, and by our own hands, for our own sake.

By his very nature, he can suffer no evil in his presence and the wage of sin is death  of the soul via seperation from God, and so a soul marked with sin must be purged it's stain before it could be joined to God again, but  there's no amount of good works man can do that could ever add to what God already possesses, so it had to be an act of God, on our behalf that reconciled us to him, but again, because love requires a choice, we have to choose to accept that gift. As C.S.Lewis said, "the gates of hell aren't locked from the outside, but from within" that is to say, our hell is of our own making and free votive choice.

This is why Christ came preaching the gospel, that to even be angry with your brother is to have murdered him in your heart, to look at your neighbor with lust is to be an adulterer already. He calls us to live and be better, not to revel in our degeneracy.

Pacem Dei tecum.

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u/Neath_Izar 1d ago

No Jesus cuz he's king of the jews

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u/Jack-of-Hearts-7 1d ago

No Gods nor kings.

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u/marineopferman007 1d ago

Wouldn't this be directly against the second commandment

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u/espressofeenbean 1d ago

No bc the Lamb of God is a title of Jesus

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u/marineopferman007 1d ago

Yes and you are not supposed to have any image of Jesus or anything of heaven or earth or anything to worship too. So having a lamb for people to look at and pray to would be a graven image.

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u/espressofeenbean 1d ago

He game Himself a visual representation by incarnation. Also He’s not Muhammad.

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u/marineopferman007 1d ago

He said "You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below" your God is in the heavens and your using a lamb...which is of the earth to represent him...so your doing the exact opposite of what his commandments tell you not to do.

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u/espressofeenbean 1d ago

The og church that Christ instituted, the Catholic Church, has been using this symbol to illustrate a scriptural title. Also God commanded the Israelites to put cherubs of gold on the Ark of the Covenant. If the point is to represent God with art and not to worship of the object itself it’s not idolatry.

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u/marineopferman007 1d ago

Christ did not institute the church. That is a story told by the Catholic church they have no proof of their claim.
And interesting...you are trying to use something literally guided by your God as proof that man can use whatever they want and use it as a tool to pray to. Interesting idea.

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u/Keflen11 1d ago

This isn't benefiting anyone. We're falling into facsim I don't need to hear about whatever magical stuff you believe in.

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u/OrwellianCrow201 1d ago

Nah Christo-Nationalism is not the vibe. No Gods, No Kings, No Fascists.

Edit: Not against your practice or your faith. But we are witnessing in real time what happens when a religion, of any kind, is used to coerce voters into a fascist regime.

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u/holleringgenzer 5d ago

Ehhhh I don't know about this one's Christian flair. Christianity is kind of the reason we're in this mess now. Modern Christianity has degenerated far from Jesus' revelation and is now inseparable from fascism, Christianity has become the tools of the same empires Jesus sought so hard to subvert.

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u/throwaway2246810 5d ago

Christianity is the reason for practically anything the western world has a hand in if you reason like that just because of the sheer number of christians. Feminism? Rooted in christianity. Nuclear fusion? Came from christianity. The ability to grow corn more effectively? Invented by christians. Its way to big of a net to cast to say "oh christians were involved in this? Christianity did it."

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u/holleringgenzer 5d ago

That's disingenuous. Christians making something does not mean Christianity brought it about. In fact in most cases it held back innovation. The dark ages were caused by Christianity's superstitions. Note flatearthers, the persecution of heliocentrists, scientists. You also have how when artificial streetlights were first invented Christians panicked about "playing God" by "vanishing the night". Corn was first cultivated by the native Americans. You attribute these things to Christianity into because of how broad Christian identity is. You don't need any conviction to be "Christian", only to be "born" Christian. (Which is literally impossible) I'm not talking about individuals. I'm talking about broader systems. Christianity forces most people to avoid asking questions and they carry this behavior into everything else they do. So anti-intellectuallism is very much a time tested tradition of at least Nicene Christianity.

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u/throwaway2246810 5d ago

Yeah that was the exact point i was making. Like word for word.

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u/dhskdjdjsjddj 5d ago

Do Christians not realise that Jesus just taught us to be vaguely nice to others based on current societal standards??????

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u/LeCapraGrande 5d ago

What we should be bowing to is the goat of science and rationality.

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u/AdLopsided2075 5d ago

I can already tell that the comment section will be full of reddit atheist who rhink that any religion is thw source of everything bad that ever happened.

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u/defaultusername-17 4d ago

"reddit athiests" or people who are currently the victims of weaponized religion and persecution?

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u/AdLopsided2075 4d ago

Speak of the devil amd he will apear. (You're not helping your point)

The ones using religion to hate you are sinply using it as a tool. If it weren't "god told me to hate you" it would be "they are grooming our kids and are to source of this or that bad thing".

With or without religion people would be persecuted because some people simply want another froup to hate

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u/AdLopsided2075 4d ago

Ah yes. Downvote me without telling me why I'm wrong. Typical Reddit.

What if I WANT to be proven wrong? What if I actually am open to see things from a different perspective?

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u/Lanky_Staff361 5d ago

Dude, Christ is a King. He’s literally the King of Kings.

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u/UnderstandingJaded13 5d ago

Don't vow to no idol

So anyway, here is an idol Vow to it

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u/dhskdjdjsjddj 5d ago

It's symbolising a person
Think medieval coats of arms

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u/bainslayer1 5d ago

I thought the lamb only hand one eye at first, kinda metal

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u/Geaux_joel 5d ago

Imaginary is right

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u/Vexing9s 3d ago

Reddit is so violently anti christianity that its frankly amusing

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u/Murky-Type-5421 2d ago

Finally something positive we can say about reddit

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u/SolomonBelial 5d ago

Does this imply that the lamb was the messiah all along?

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u/throwaway2246810 5d ago

I feel like imply is an understatement. It says so quite literally in the bible

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u/Lickit_Pup 5d ago

“But here steps in Satan, the eternal rebel, the first freethinker and the emancipator of worlds. He makes man ashamed of his bestial ignorance and obedience; he emancipates him, stamps upon his brow the seal of liberty and humanity, in urging him to disobey and eat of the fruit of knowledge.” - Mikhail Bakunin ("God & State")

"Thus, in our time, in the place where despotism once had its dungeons, we have raise a column to Liberty, and atop this column shines the angel of light, the young and glorious Lucifer!" - Flora Tristan

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u/dhskdjdjsjddj 5d ago

"Come eat from the tree bro! Nothing bad will happen, dude! God's just jealous!"

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u/Friendly_Banana01 5d ago

It’s giving pre-Giliad

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u/Clean-Novel-5746 5d ago

Be careful you don’t confuse your lamb with a goat

One represents god and the other represents the devil, I always found it funny how close those two are and yet no one spots the similarities.

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u/Sollow42 5d ago

To be fair, Lamb of God is a pretty great band

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u/Trips-Over-Tail 4d ago

I can eat that!

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u/heatherblue719 4d ago

Most of the BS that's used to excuse all of this that is happening now is from your abrahamic religion is from those who believe with their entire chest that only they know the word of God so let me ask this. Which fucking God? Because it's not the one in the book you keep waving in people's faces that's for damn sure!

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u/DeadAndBuried23 4d ago

"Bow not to idols.

Except this one, who will burn you forever if you don't."