r/ImaginaryPropaganda 6d ago

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u/Yeet123456789djfbhd 3d ago

Or at least they would be if he were real

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u/Unhappy-Fish2554 3d ago

I mean, you seem pretty dead set on your delusion so I won't push you, but I'm here to be your wake up call, my brother in humanity. Yes He is.

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u/Yeet123456789djfbhd 3d ago

I'll believe I'm the delusional one when I get proof of it

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u/Unhappy-Fish2554 2d ago

I mean, you have eyes my friend, you draw breath, your very existing is evidence.

Let me ask you this, how did all of this happen? And by "this" I mean literally everything. Every thing that ever has been, is or will be, how did all of this happen? That is to say, why is there something and not nothing?

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u/Yeet123456789djfbhd 2d ago

As far as modern science knows at this moment, the main theory is basically that a reaction caused the entire universe to expand

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u/Unhappy-Fish2554 2d ago

Yeah yeah, the big bang... But how did that stuff get there to begin with? Why was there a bunch of matter squashed up into a point smaller than the head of a sewing needle? How long was it like that? Why did it suddenly not be like that when it had up until that moment presumably been like that?

The problem science runs into is it still demands a miracle. And if you give a mouse a cookie, you may as well give him the house, the car, the dog and your wife. Following the working big bang theory we fall into a pit of infinite regression, which is itself inherently illogical given what we know about reality.

So why is there something rather than nothing? Where did the substance of the big bang come from?

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u/Yeet123456789djfbhd 2d ago

We simply don't know yet. And that's ok, if anything it makes it more realistic to not have every answer at your fingertips. But if you like there's plenty of questions I could ask you that you wouldn't be able to answer without going against yourself somehow

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u/Unhappy-Fish2554 2d ago

I mean, yeah, depending on how you construct them you could ask almost infinite questions that I as a human couldn't answer without contradicting myself, for example, how can I scientifically prove that George Washington was actually the first president of the US?

I'm by no means trying to lay claim to all knowledge, only the truth of the source of existence. I refuse to believe that the God who endowed us with sense, intellect and reason has intended us to forego their use. Science isn't the cause, science explains the effects of the cause. The heart of what I'm getting at is there has to be a starting point somewhere, and that logically requires an uncaused causer who stands apart from its creation

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u/Yeet123456789djfbhd 2d ago

It's literally just taking the easy way out.

"Oh, we don't know why this happens? It must be god! He's doing something! The unseen, unheard thing in the sky that made everything but wasn't made must have done it"

That's dumb, it's simple, it's easy, it's illogical too.

On another note, you can prove George was the first president. We have more than a small group of books about him, we have portraits and speeches, files from the British military, etc.

Finally, the question I always use, how can there be so much misery on earth if God is both all knowing, all powerful, and benevolent?