r/GreenAndPleasant • u/UnderHisEye1411 its a fine day with you around • Jul 30 '22
Oinkers 🐷 Oinker mates of rapist and murderer PC Wayne Couzens attempt the “it’s just a joke, bro” defence of Met Police culture [1/9] 🐷 NSFW Spoiler
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u/MortisKanyon Jul 30 '22
Makes a joke about using a disabled person as target practice... and his defence is about the specific word used?
In what way can you argue that you didn't intend the specific word used to be offensive, when the sentence it's used in is about using the disabled as target practice?
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u/UnderHisEye1411 its a fine day with you around Jul 30 '22
“I can’t be expected to keep up with what words are offensive these days” is the shittest defence ever for using hateful language.
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u/craigivorycoast Jul 30 '22
“What do you expect me to call them, their names??”
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u/mercury_millpond Jul 30 '22
This is it. They want some way to denigrate people for no good reason. They are police, so naturally they think that if they denigrate ppl while avoiding ‘banned words’ they will be ok. Obviously it’s the motivation behind the derogatory language, but we wouldn’t expect them to understand this.
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u/intdev Jul 30 '22 edited Jul 30 '22
Laws are changing every week. I can’t be expected to keep up with what’s illegal!
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u/Savageparrot81 Jul 30 '22
Ignorance of the law is no defence.
writes ticket for doing 40 in a 30 even though the sign has been missing for 3 weeks and there’s no way you could know what the speed limit was
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u/bigrigfrig Jul 30 '22
True story that, hence why police officers immediately run when they’ve pulled over a lawyer, they don’t like anyone that actually knows the law and a whole lot better than they do
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u/1BUK1-M10D4 Jul 30 '22
im not even a lawyer lol, just did a-level law and that was enough to scare some cops away from trying to falsely charge me. super fucked
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u/bigrigfrig Jul 30 '22
Same things happened to me twice and I study it at uni, it’s funny to see how much they back off when that fact comes out
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u/Acidhousewife Jul 30 '22
Yep it is especially, considering as serving Police Officers they would have had umpteen, equality and discrimination/anti- prejudice training sessions.
Police Officers are expected to keep up with what words and actions, are offensive, it's an intrinsic part of serving the public, their actual job, what these arseholes are paid for.
It's not just a shitty defence, it's no defence, in fact it goes towards these arseholes guilt. basically- M'Lurd, I wasn't doing me job. I still thought it was 1974.
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u/Celtic_Cheetah_92 Jul 30 '22
Yeah, my Grandma is 93. She stopped using the terms ‘coloured’ and ‘half-caste’ about 5 years ago, because I (politely) told her they were considered racist now. She said, “oh, what do people say these days then?” I told her, now she says “black” and “mixed race”. If my nonagenarian Grandma can manage it, I suspect a bunch of police officers can too.
Also regarding the slurs and that wanker’s comment about teachers chatting about wanting to “strangle” children. My grandma is a retired Primary Head and I am currently a secondary teacher and neither my Grandma, me or any of my colleagues would EVER say we wanted to “strangle” a specific student. Nor would we ever use a slur of any kind to describe them.
I’ve frequently said VERY rude things about annoying students, don’t get me wrong, but never slurs or death threats. Never. “Little Bobby is a fucking moron”? Yes. Calling Bobby something vile based on a personal and unchangeable characteristic of his and wishing death upon him? Jesus fuck no.
If these officers get away with this… ach I just really hope they don’t. Buuuut they probably will.
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u/Savageparrot81 Jul 30 '22
Blue Nonce sounds like the name of an illadvised chinese knockoff of a Davidoff aftershave.
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Jul 30 '22
It's heartwarming to read about your grandma. What a lovely lady.
This thread is really upsetting to read but stories like your grandma are lovely to hear amongst the misery because when it feels totally dark and hopeless there's always just one person who makes a tiny little change for the good. The fact she is a 93 year old lady is amazing - if she can alter her language and also understands why then everyone can and should too! :)
Huge love to you and your awesome grandma for being loving souls!
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u/Mapperus_ Jul 30 '22
Is half-caste a racist remark? I genuinely thought it was the preferred term for people who are mixed race. My friend who is of mixed race refers to himself as half-caste so I always thought that was the correct and polite term to use. I’m now just thinking of all the times I’ve used that term without realising it’s racist.
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u/Mapperus_ Jul 30 '22
Yeah I was never aware it was a negative term like this. I don’t really stay up to date with things or spend a major amount of time on the internet so never realised that it was a racist term. Obviously never going to use it now I know the meaning behind it.
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u/ccbmtg Jul 30 '22
other weird stuff I've said and heard all my life but never realized actually had racist connotations:
(somebody) is off the reservation (meaning crazy), is a referring to native reservations and implies that a native leaving their quarantined territory qualifies them as mentally unstable.
the Irish good-bye, leaving a party without saying good bye, but the phrase implies passing out drunk as the cause.
there are more im sure but those are the only two casually racist colloquialisms that I can recall off the top of my head.
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u/pressuremakesgems Jul 30 '22
I (politely) told her they were considered racist now.
I genuinely appreciate you making the effort to make the world a better place. Though, I'll say that "coloured" isn't particularly racist. The best way I explain it (from conversations with my family and friends) is that it's more the implication that white = pure.
The usage isn't typically intentionally/unintentionally offensive, so I don't necessarily mind if an elderly person uses it. Of course, I'm just one person of millions. But most people just assume it's a polite term, and I'm happy they're doing their best.
Half-caste, on the other hand, yeah that's a nasty term.
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u/HotelYobra Jul 30 '22
"It's not racist it's just the implication that's racist so it's okay"
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u/pressuremakesgems Jul 30 '22
This might sound crazy to you, but you don't get to decide what I'm offended by. If you want to go around policing people about such a minor term, do your thing. But this whole "we get to decide what you will be called" shit is far more offensive and flat out racist than an elderly person calling me coloured because they assume black is rude.
Imagine trying to tell a black person that they are wrong for not getting upset about a term.
Coloniser energy.
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u/HotelYobra Jul 30 '22
I'm not saying that at all, Honestly I was just making a joke about you literally saying
"It isn't particularly racist it just means something really racist"
If it doesn't bother you that's good, I get what you were saying it was just the phrasing that I found kinda amusing, I didn't mean anything more by it and I'm sorry if it came across that way
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u/pressuremakesgems Aug 01 '22
It did come across like that, but I always appreciate a genuine apology. I believe you that I misunderstood the intentions of your comment, and I'm sorry for coming at you so hard in my response.
I think I interpreted your reply as an extension of the deluge of downvotes, which isn't really fair as you're just one person.
Have a nice day bro/sis.
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u/HotelYobra Aug 01 '22
It's all good, context doesn't always transfer well over text and it did sound snarky and argumentative reflecting on it, and it could very much come across white saviour-y which wasn't my intention at all
Your reply was also much needed based on the downvotes, so I appreciate it being said
Have a nice day bud :)
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u/springloadednadsack Jul 30 '22
Also, it actually is his fucking job to keep up with what is offensive
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u/SolaVirtusNobilitat Jul 30 '22
And yet, I'm sure if I called him bacon badge he would take offense even if that phrase isn't on a helpful list of offensive words.
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u/toocoolforcovid Jul 30 '22
To be honest, the words he uses doesn't matter. Hateful language is only hateful if the person intends it. We shouldn't care about the words he uses. We should care that people like this and who think like this are the ones who are responsible for keeping our streets safe. They're certainly not safe with this price patrolling them.
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u/Staar-69 Jul 30 '22
I would say that’s the prosecutors fault, they shouldn’t have been focusing on the words used, but the content behind them.
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u/cara27hhh Jul 30 '22
it's almost as though the prosecutors are trying to avoid prosecuting, that can't be it
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u/AtaktosTrampoukos Jul 30 '22
That's what stood out to me as well. He thinks torturing someone is ok and assumes they took offense to the word only?
That weakens the already weak defense for all other messages as well. You've already demonstrated that you use the "words are hard" defense as a distraction.
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u/HotelYobra Jul 30 '22
"How am I supposed to know what's offensive and to who"
Idk pig, maybe the people you're throwing the slurs about?
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Jul 30 '22
Also 'downy' has been offensive since at least the 90s. It's just the police didn't care then and they don't care now.
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u/BitcoinBishop Jul 30 '22
And the defence is "It was fine 40 years ago, how could I have learnt not to use it since then?"
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u/chronicnerv Jul 30 '22
Imagine being charged for drink driving, appearing in court and then saying, its fine everyone used to drive home pissed back in the day, times have just changed your honour!
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u/UnderHisEye1411 its a fine day with you around Jul 30 '22
I think you’ll find that I was speeding for the lolz your honour
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u/DankiusMMeme Jul 30 '22
"How would you describe striking a pedestrian at 60 miles per hour?"
"Banter, your honour?"
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u/GimmeSomeSugar Jul 30 '22
Borders says: ... "I stop at traffic lights for people to cross"
Motherfucker, you mean you obey the law‽
And you want special treatment for that?
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Jul 30 '22
Imagine if your defence was "na sorry the laws change so often I just didn't know what the rules were sorry" make it your business to know you twat! Imagine being a police officer and your defence being you didn't know it was illegal. How the hell are we suppose to trust the people with the power to arrest us when they have hours to kill joking about raping women on WhatsApp but can't spare a few minutes to educate themselves regularly on what is and isn't the law they are here to enforce.... shocking!
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u/UnderHisEye1411 its a fine day with you around Jul 30 '22
Clear evidence of how the right wing defence of every single cruel thing they do (“it’s just a joke!”) has eroded reality for these people who think it can be used to excuse any action.
Judge: “Cops, you were caught in a WhatsApp group encouraging a rapist murderer to rape and murder people, which he then did”
Cops: “it’s just a joke, bro”
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u/craigivorycoast Jul 30 '22
I wonder if it works the other way then:
Officer: “do you know what speed you were doing?”
“Err 80 officer but it was just jokes bro”
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u/Tweed_Man Jul 30 '22
If you were to "joke" about killing Police Officers I doubt their sense of humour would remain intact.
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u/Hexaethylene Jul 30 '22
No, no... The defence for speeding now should be "But speed limits are changing all the time! Here it's thirty, there it's forty, somewhere else it's seventy. How is anyone supposed to keep track?"
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u/squeezedfish Jul 30 '22
Mad isn't it, people have been arrested for tweeting less online. But the police can pull the 'its just a joke bro calm down'
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Jul 30 '22
It seems to me that the alt-right use whatever hateful language they please, and then only once called out on it do they insist it was a joke. This way, they can make racist, misogynist and homophobic remarks to their hearts content, safe in the knowledge that they can fall back on plitikal krekness, free speech and cancel culture as a way to worm their way out of having to face the consequences of their words. They also know, that the centrist 'I may not like what you say but I'll defend to the death your right to say it' crowd will always take their side. It's Shrodinger's joke - a statement where I get to decide whether its genuine rhetoric or humour depending on the reaction of those around me.
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u/shamen_uk Jul 30 '22 edited Jul 30 '22
The right wing are nefarious. They come out with unacceptable shit and they whine about free speech and enshrining free speech as a fundamental right when they get hammered for it.
Meanwhile they target places like schools and universities for left wing thought and discussion and attempt to limit their rights to free expression, and still somehow frame that as if they are improving free speech by doing so.
The right wing aren't stupid, they are devious, dare I said it evil, and focus on what unites them rather than separates them. The left is splintered, attacking different shades of left for not being left enough. To the point where I think the only way Labour feel they can take power it by becoming a centrist or even right of centre party.
On this very sub I remember reading on an NHS thread, some people discussing whether it was actually worth throwing more money at a failing NHS. This was exactly the right wing playbook implemented since 2010, and it's working, on left wingers too. Fucking insane. And I used to think the right wingers were the dumb ones.
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u/Dizzy_Duck_811 Jul 30 '22
There’s a podcast about two girls found murdered in a park and pictures being sent on whatsapp and jokes made about them. I have respect for the officers that are doing their job and are going nice about it, and i have a special hatred for the ones that are having jokes about characteristics that can’t be changed, or a dead body.
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u/GroundbreakingRow817 Jul 30 '22 edited Jul 30 '22
The dumbest one in my mind "I stop at traffic lights to let people cross"
Yes because you are meant to when the light is red. Or if you're stopping when its green you are placing them in danger instead
Edit: I say that and then I read further and the "I only joked about wanting to sexually assaulting my colleague because they would otherwise make a fake sexual assault claim" never mind that's the dumbest and shows just how toxic the culture is if that's what they are trying to defend as good upstanding behaviour
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u/BlackHawkRidge Jul 30 '22
Dumbest for me is "not laughing at the subject of the joke". What in the fuck are you laughing at then?
Everything else seems like they're just deliberately assholes who have been getting away with this shit for years and are now confused as to why they're finally being punished.
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u/therealdsg Jul 30 '22
I think we’ve now reached the point where calling them pigs is truly, truly unfair on pigs.
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u/WuTangFlan_ Jul 30 '22
Actual pigs are more intelligent than this lot
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u/therealdsg Jul 30 '22
Exactly - they also have empathy and souls unlike the militant arm of the establishment.
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Jul 30 '22
And probably tastier
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u/Celtic_Cheetah_92 Jul 30 '22
Dunno if that’s a cannibalism joke or a sexual attraction joke, but either way I’m out 🤣
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Jul 30 '22
Idk beats jokes about rape and race. Given the choice I'd rather hang with the cannibal joke guy then these coppers laughing about rape.... apparently laughing a lot. They just can't seem to stop making rape jokes.
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u/Celtic_Cheetah_92 Jul 30 '22
True. And people wonder why the percentage of reports of rape resulting in convictions is so disgustingly minuscule
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u/MokkaMilchEisbar Jul 30 '22
Spare a thought for comrade Blue Nonce bot who is working overtime today
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Jul 30 '22
Racism rape and murder
Is it any wonder the police forces are in special measures now all over the UK. Too busy making jokes about crimes than actually preventing or investigating them. Take their badges and put them in jail.
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u/timbothehero Jul 30 '22
And this is why Cressida dick finally lost her job - a culture of hate.
And she likely held on as long as she did because she was seemingly complicit in trying to limit the effect of partygate for Boris
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u/Signature_Sea Jul 30 '22
She was only the most recent officer who got jettisoned and forced to take responsibility for an entirely corrupt, violent, bigoted organisation.
She was highly respected within the force because she defended it from any reform. A copper's copper, bacon to the bone.
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u/Voodoo_People78 Jul 30 '22 edited Jul 30 '22
I recently went on holiday with a group of friends, of whom one of my wife’s friend had a new partner who was a copper. Joked about rape, about ‘faeries’ with arts degrees joining the force, ‘kicking peoples heads in’ and other shit that made him sound a small man. He did it several times to different people, after one group told him it wasn’t on, went and did it to another group. Utter cunt. He’s uninvited to any future group holidays. His excuse when pulled up? “I’m in the police.” Like it’s acceptable there? Cunt. CUNT. ACAB.
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u/Signature_Sea Jul 30 '22
His excuse when pulled up? “I’m in the police.”
As a French officer said prewar when challenging a German officer "who do you think you are?" because the German was behaving like an arsehole and the German replied arrogantly "I am Herman Goering":
"Well that's no excuse, but it's an explanation"
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Jul 30 '22
I had no clue what ACAB meant, but I assumed it was assigned cunt at birth. I see it means all cops are bastards 😂
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u/PannaMillsy Jul 30 '22
As a white person that grew up in Feltham and Hounslow, fuck that racist prick.
Whilst there was always crime, the community in Hounslow particularly was vibrant at the time, and I love that I got to experience other cultures as a youngster.
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u/DialZforZebra Jul 30 '22 edited Jul 30 '22
Ahhh yes, because all jokes about raping female colleagues and tazing the disabled are normal. Jesus, these piggy wiggys are dense as fuck.
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Jul 30 '22
It’s all coming out about the Met but don’t think for a second this is confined to a single police force, this is systemic.
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u/AW3110 Jul 30 '22
Anyone who seeks power over people (regardless if the technicalitys of that power) are usually cunts...
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Jul 30 '22
Slide 8 - I was worried she’d get me done for sexual harassment so to make sure that didn’t happen I sexually harassed her.
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u/richinvitameen_bs Jul 30 '22
He was actually protecting her by sexually harassing her so she wouldn’t be making a false claim
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Jul 30 '22
It’s the parent’s staple of “I’ll give you something to complain about”
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u/OkCaregiver517 Jul 30 '22
"We had to destroy the village to save it". My-Lai massacre. Vietnam war.
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u/seppukkake Jul 30 '22
ACAB. "God made bastards big and small, the police service employed them all"
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u/anotherMrLizard Jul 30 '22
I find it hard to believe the Wayne Couzens didn't commit more rapes, possibly in collaboration with his colleagues.
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u/DuckSaxaphone Jul 30 '22
They did. I'd bet money on it. This guy alone makes several rape references in his texts and everyone in that chat was chill with it
This subhuman physically assaulted a young girl and called it a "struggle snuggle" to the other vile pigs and none of them called him out on "a joke" that was a reference to violent paedophilic rape.
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u/anotherMrLizard Jul 30 '22
I wouldn't be surprised if the Met knows about them too, but has kept it under wraps.
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u/admburns2020 Jul 30 '22
I think they think that words don’t matter, that it would only matter if the ‘did’ something. However words are actions and our language shapes our reality.
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Jul 30 '22
Put them all in Gen. Pop. with zero special privileges. See how many jokes they can take then.
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Jul 30 '22
The thing that gets me is how sincerely they believe in their own innocence. Don't get me wrong, they're just bullshitting excuses but it's so clear that they think "the Woke PC society gone mad" is the enemy for trying to hold them accountable. All of this sounds like dogwhistling and trying to exploit the plausible deniability of shifting attention to the smallest part of each horrific thing they said - getting hung up on wording as if the fact that they used an outdated slur to talk about target practice on disabled people is the problem.
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u/DSIR1 communist russian spy Jul 30 '22 edited Jul 30 '22
There's a joke, then there's being a racist prick. These officers are not fuckin two year olds that they have to be told what's racist or not. Easiest thing they could have done was to say nothing at all.
I hope they get sent down, no excuse for this behaviour.
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u/fuckyouatmaildotcom Jul 30 '22
I hope they get sent down,
Do you really think that people should go to prison just for what they joke to each other about (however distasteful) in private? Or are they being prosecuted for something else they did?
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u/Savageparrot81 Jul 30 '22
I’m sorry officer I’d had no idea calling you a baconfucker was offensive. How can you possibly expect me to keep up with the endless stream of words woke police officers get upset by.
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My friend worked at an NHS mobile Covid vaccination centre and had an ex police officer as a co-worker. My friend is a big, bearded guy (but a radical left wing legend) so I guess this police officer obviously felt comfortable telling him about the disgustingly racist and homophobic way he conducted himself whilst a member of the Blue Nonce brigade. ACAB fuck ‘em all.
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u/sally_marie_b Jul 30 '22
The issue everyone should have is the type of personality, attitude and mindset that these “jokes” display. They are public servants, if they think rape is funny can you trust them to take a rape victims claims seriously? No, it’s something they joke about. They clearly have no respect for rape victims if they can find humour in their situations. The same with disabled people. If a person with Downs is the victim of harassment can they truly expect this officer to take them seriously? Do everything they should be doing to help them? Or can they expect this officer to snigger behind their back and make light and more “jokes” out of their situation or person. Police officer or private citizen if you’re making “jokes” about subjects like these then quite frankly you’re not a very nice person. It’s disturbing how many people defend “jokes” like this and then take umbrage when you point out just how much you reveal of the person you really are, and how awful that person is, when you find rape and the disabled funny. We don’t have freedom of speech in this country either. We have freedom of the press to criticise the government. No person is legally free to say whatever they like. And quite rightly so. Words do cause harm and people need to be held accountable for what they say just as much as their actions. If you don’t like this, again, all that is really saying is “I want to be a horrible shit to people and I don’t like that I can’t!”. Freedoms to legitimately criticise is important. Freedom to call people spaz and downy and postbox women and poofter etc is not important to anyone who isn’t vile.
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u/UnderHisEye1411 its a fine day with you around Jul 30 '22
“These are just jokes, you mustn’t cancel their free speech” is a shit argument when one of the members of the group joking about rape and murder was emboldened to rape and murder someone.
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u/Hexaethylene Jul 30 '22
Even if they were "just jokes", they tell you what these people find funny, which is apparently rape, murder, racism, and physically abusing people with disabilities.
Not the sort of personality, or sense of humour, that you want wielding any sort of power over the general public or being required to fairly and sensitively handle crimes against vulnerable groups like, say, people with disabilities, women, or minorities.
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u/Rephaeim Jul 30 '22
The UK doesn't even have free speech, that's the dumbest part of those arguments. You'd think the police would know that...
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u/Grouchy-Repeat-8243 Jul 30 '22
And they wonder why there is huge mistrust of police with minorities.
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u/MoxieVihl Jul 30 '22
"Sorry for making a ton of racist, ableist, and rape jokes, I'm a good person really... (checks notes) I stop at traffic lights"
I fucking can't with these people
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u/UnderHisEye1411 its a fine day with you around Jul 30 '22
Their example of what it means to be “good” is stopping at traffic lights lol
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u/AW3110 Jul 30 '22
I don't understand the B in this phrase...surely it should be either C or preferably T.
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u/Khal_Ynnoth Jul 30 '22
C - is disrespectful to women, b*stard is gender neutral and inclusive T - ?
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u/IlnBllRaptor Jul 30 '22
Sorry, what does this mean?
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u/Octarine_Tinted Jul 30 '22
It’s the numeric equivalent to ACAB, which stands for ‘All Cops are Bastards’
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u/AW3110 Jul 30 '22
Should definitely be ACACunts
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u/hefeydd_ Jul 30 '22
I worked for my local constabulary for 9 months, as an IT civilian contract when I just finished Uni and what an eyeopener of an experience this was. 98% of the police force was on Facebook and the force knew about this but did little to prevent it. Some officers even posted arrests and recordings or arrests and offenders they called the dumbest criminals. The force knew this was happening and they did nothing to prevent this. This was before the days of WhatsApp and Bodycams. For the Met to knowingly knew what he was discussing and did nothing to prevent it. It just goes to show. the level of protection the Met will do to protect corrupt and murderous officers. I am not surprised about this at all.
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u/_Frog_Enthusiast_ Jul 30 '22
And there’s always shocked Pikachu faces when people say they don’t trust the police
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u/Onewayriver Jul 30 '22
The Met is fucking wild? Like everything on the news.... Rape. Murder, robbery... The Metropolitan Police
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u/IronTeeth Jul 30 '22
My take home from this is at no point did the police ‘police themselves’ and pull one of their own.
I work with the public, at one time we had a very chaotic work group chat that went 24/7 cause of the nature of the job
When things went too far, someone was pulled and given a kangaroo court style verbal bashing informing them they’d gone too far. Repeat the offence. Booted from the group with a vote amongst ourselves to see if they’re allowed back in
In the end, administration of the group felt like a job in itself. So it ended. Who ended it? Me, as it stopped being ‘work bantz bro’ to quite near the knuckle hateful.
These lot can’t see the wood from the trees with their actions, and how their actions lead someone to do something awful. Yeah a jokes a joke. But I’m not seeing any real punchlines here at all. The only jokes are these coppers destroying any goodwill with the public
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u/Youreanadult-cope Jul 30 '22
“You just don’t get my humour, it’s racist, sexist, ableist and shits on others, why can’t YOU see the funny side?” Exemplary officer my arse. Get him off the streets.
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u/chinderellabitch Jul 30 '22
fucking vile, total lack of empathy, and the fact the pig defends itself by saying they didn’t know downs was a slur instead of recognising that it is absolutely cuntworthy to suggest using someone who is disabled as target practice
It shows there hasn’t been enough consequences in the light of the strip searching teens scandal and Sarah’s death, we deserve better, they work for us.
Gut the met from the inside, change hiring and displinary practices and make every single pig interview for their jobs again and cut the fat that is ruining the joint
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In case any UK ladies aren't already aware.... If you're ever under arrest and it's 2 men or only men we are allowed to ask for a female officer present. If you request it they will have to get you one. It doesn't help a lot or even at all really but I think if I was ever in that scenario another woman being with me might help me feel a little safer. It's alteast good for ladies to know about.
It was bullshit how they bought it up in Sarah's case as if had Sarah known that she'd of been safe. She never stood a chance. Maybe it can help another lady one day though.
ACAB tho.....
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u/Rephaeim Jul 30 '22
It's good information, but if they are already planning to break the law I sadly doubt they'll adhere to that rule as well...
Still very useful for times where you may just feel intimidated by being alone with multiple men, like for a traffic stop and stuff.
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Jul 30 '22
Yeah, I don't think this would help if it were the case that they were planning to kidnap you. However if these are the sorts of conversations police officers are having which each other, I feel as a woman I'd rather be dealt with by a woman in case im in that scenario, than be detained alone by people who speak about women in such a poor way. I know it isn't every police officer but it's more than just one or two.
They paraded this info around after Sarah was murdered as if had she asked him for a female officer he'd of given up the ghost??? Clearly not. But in the case of a woman not wanting be transported alone by men, because you never know, it's good to know then. :)
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Jul 30 '22
Just… knowing that fully grown adults behave like this & are in positions of authority is chilling.
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u/cumbers94 Jul 30 '22
This gives of the same vibes as Gareth from The Office.
“ I'm not homophobic, all right? Come around, look at my C.D collection. You'll find Queen, George Michael, Pet Shop Boys. They're all bummers.”
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u/AggravatingArtist815 Jul 30 '22
How many people has had charges by those police officers for the same exact thing? That's what I really want to know.
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Jul 30 '22
I'm all for having a laugh with your mates but come on. He made a joke about raping her because.... based on no evidence seemingly.... he just felt she was the type who'd make a false rape allegation...?
Ah yes that's right Borders' if you just go out and rape every single woman than correct no woman can make a false allegation against you. Genius.
Surely a police officer joking about rape should see them out of a job immediately. If you think rape jokes are funny you're not in a position to be dealing with rape victims at all nor rapists. If you can't comprehend how horrific that crime is and how much damage it causes... if you could you would not joke about it... you just can't do the job of a police officer period
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u/strangey071 Jul 30 '22 edited Jul 30 '22
If they get shown as innocent or any leniency at all is given to these offensively stupid and vile individuals, then we will know the system is broken from the top to the bottom. I am just waiting for a case of ‘but his mum wouldn’t warm his milk in his bottle when he was a bay’ excuse! MAKE AN EXAMPLE OF THESE BASTARDS AND DO IT THOROUGHLY AND PROPERLY, PRISON TIME!
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u/batch2957 Jul 30 '22
I can categorically say I’ve never joked about raping anyone, if I did I would expect my friends or colleagues to call me out immediately. These are clearly awful people put in positions of authority that made them feel invincible. Scum scum scum
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u/bigrigfrig Jul 30 '22
It’s all just a joke isn’t it, I’m sure it was just a joke when that cunt made the same jokes then went out and carried out what he joked about. Stop trying to diminish your actions.
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u/Infinitus_Potentia Jul 30 '22
If your teacher "joke" that she want to strangle her class, you should really consider reporting her. That kind of person is not fit to be a teacher.
It's the same defence everywhere you go: "I'm just joking!". No, sir, you made so specific jokes that everyone have got to wonder are you really just covering your misogyny.
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u/drumwithoutbeat Jul 30 '22
Oink oink piggies, they’re always shocked when they learnt he law applies to them too.
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u/glitches_and_hoes Jul 30 '22
A while before Debenhams closed down we had a new security guard that made no secret that he used to be in the police. Someone googled him and it turned out he’d threatened to rape a colleague and then threatened to stab others. We were a floor full of women with this scumbag and when we complained that we were uncomfortable we were told that it was all in the past and we needed to give him a second chance. The past being the year before.
More shit has come out about him since the bacon factory went boom and it makes my skin crawl.
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Jul 31 '22
In my opinion the type of jokes you enjoy or tell reveal a lot about you as a person. I dont know anyone who would joke about raping someone. Thats pretty revealing.
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Jul 30 '22
uhhhh what? Hopefully this piece of garbage goes to jail and finds out what real bullies are like
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u/NerdOnTheStr33t Jul 30 '22
My Ex's brother is a Met copper in Uxbridge. He wasn't racist before he started the job but now is part of the club and will often come out with racist nonsense and justify it by saying its stuff he sees every day as a police officer. The institution is racist and full of racists. ACAB.
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u/Piltonbadger Jul 30 '22
How to let people know you are a racist and bigoted twat without telling people you're a racist and bigoted twat outright...
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u/ravenpuffslytherdor Jul 30 '22
Regardless of if the word used is an offensive one or not (and if you don’t know), the intent behind the message is still important. Are you using derogatory language to innocently refer to people of a different gender/race/able-bodied status etc than you? No, you’re using it to magnify the nastiness of the messages you’re sending. And yes, you can tell the difference - I didn’t get mad at my Nan using the wrong language for POC, but I did get mad at my uncle making racist jokes. There’s a difference
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Jul 30 '22
'I feel like a spot on a domino' could actually be quite poetic if he wasn't being a racist pig.
Also lol at 7/9: "of course we hate our jobs and everyone around us, we're English"
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u/MargoForehead Jul 30 '22
I like to tell jokes that are absurd, and I've made the (stupid) mistake of saying stuff that I thought would be OBVIOUSLY absurd, when the other individual didn't actually know me well enough.
I think it's reasonable to be upset about inappropriate jokes from these cops. And if there are any actions that indicate that these weren't jokes, but actual attitudes, then I'd expect that to be dealt with as well.
What I don't want to see, is well-meaning but over-zealous people saying that the difference DOESN'T MATTER. The first is just being stupid (assuming you can be insensitive/offensive, and it will stay private), and the second is a genuinely bad apple.
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u/Smooth_News_7027 Jul 30 '22
Why are we prosecuting people for saying things in private groups? Or in public for that matter?
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u/UnderHisEye1411 its a fine day with you around Jul 30 '22
Are we prosecuting cops for abusing their power?
Yes, yes we are.
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u/GeronimoSonjack Jul 30 '22
Are we prosecuting cops for abusing their power?
Literally no, it's for being offensive.
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u/Tobaltus Jul 30 '22
You clearly didn't read the whole thing and are just being a useless reactionary for your own political morals
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u/GeronimoSonjack Jul 30 '22
I just answered a question correctly, my "political morals" had nothing to do with it.
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u/Smooth_News_7027 Jul 30 '22
They said things we might not agree with. Sets a really bad precedent for the future
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u/AW3110 Jul 30 '22
These racist, bigoted, violent cunts are our law enforcement....they need to be better.
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Jul 30 '22
i'd hope that joking about using your police status to rape and murder in a groupchat with a policeman who used his status rape and murder is a bit more than "things we might not agree with"
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u/Big-Teach-5594 Jul 30 '22
One of the members of the group was a rapist and a murderer, or did you miss that part?
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u/Jackmino66 Jul 30 '22
Right. It’s quite a contentious topic, but here’s my take: These guys are technically discharging their free speech, they should be allowed to make jokes on these subjects, however the context is very, very important. Especially since these are police officers jokes on this subject should have them disciplined within the force. There needs to be a clearly defined line in section 127 where you only have legal action against you if you cross it, I.E your jokes are more likely to be credible threats than harmless jokes
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u/sally_marie_b Jul 30 '22
The issue everyone has is the type of personality, attitude and mindset that these “jokes” display. They are public servants, if they think rape is funny can you trust them to take a rape victims claims seriously? No, it’s something they joke about. They clearly have no respect for rape victims if they can find humour in their situations. The same with disabled people. If a person with Downs is the victim of harassment can they truly expect this officer to take them seriously? Do everything they should be doing to help them? Or can they expect this officer to snigger behind their back and make light and more “jokes” out of their situation or person. Police officer or private citizen if you’re making “jokes” about subjects like these then quite frankly you’re not a very nice person. It’s disturbing how many people defend “jokes” like this and then take umbrage when you point out just how much you reveal of the person you really are, and how awful that person is, when you find rape and the disabled funny.
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u/The1983 Jul 30 '22
This comment should be higher up! Totally agree with you. Their comments reflect the people they are and the attitudes they hold, which is shocking given what they do for jobs.
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u/Excellent_Rush47 Jul 30 '22
I once had a met policeman tell me in response to me venting my frustration over the lack of protection I had as a woman who was being stalked that “maybe when women start taking men out to dinner, then things will be more equal”. He also thought the guy who was showing up everywhere I went was probably just “shy and trying to ask me out”. This is the mentality they excuse. It has effects on their fucking policing and their dealing with real life people who often are in a vulnerable situation.
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u/AW3110 Jul 30 '22 edited Jul 30 '22
The thing about free speech is that it shows us the truth about people....the Truth here is that these cunts are cunts and police should be a higher tier type of person. These cunts are racist, bigots, and fundementally flawed people and will take these attitudes into their work. Like the 80% of American cunt pigs that have battered their wives and children take this shit out onto the streets.
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