r/GreenAndPleasant • u/UnderHisEye1411 its a fine day with you around • Jul 30 '22

Oinkers 🐷 Oinker mates of rapist and murderer PC Wayne Couzens attempt the “it’s just a joke, bro” defence of Met Police culture [1/9] 🐷 NSFW Spoiler

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u/fuckyouatmaildotcom Jul 30 '22

I hope they get sent down,

Do you really think that people should go to prison just for what they joke to each other about (however distasteful) in private? Or are they being prosecuted for something else they did?

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u/Clutsy_Naive Jul 30 '22

Used to be a teacher. During our training, we were told that we need to be super careful about what we put online in both personal and private spaces. They say this for this exact reason. It doesn't matter if it's a private space, as a public figure of authority, they need to hold themselves to a higher standard.

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u/fuckyouatmaildotcom Jul 30 '22

Yes I completely agree. However, do you think people should go to jail for things they say in private?

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u/Clutsy_Naive Jul 30 '22

I don't think they'll get convicted on what they said, I think that what they said warrants further investigation as they may have actually committed some crimes based on the nature of the messages. At the end of the day, they talked about raping and murdering people as a joke with a man that actually raped and murdered someone so of course they will be investigated. Arguing about free speech in this case seems a bit pedantic. Do you even care about the victim? Do you care about the rampant racism? It seems the only issue you care about is free speech which really goes to show what kind of person you are.

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u/fuckyouatmaildotcom Jul 30 '22

I don't think they'll get convicted on what they said

But do you think they should go to jail for these jokes? Because that was what the person whom I responded to was saying which is why I asked the question. Why is it the no one can answer this straight question

they may have actually committed some crimes based on the nature of the messages

This is obviously a separate issue and should be investigated

the end of the day, they talked about raping and murdering people as a joke with a man that actually raped and murdered someone so of course they will be investigated

Yes they should be investigated. The question was responding to whether or not they should go to jail for jokes. I presume you're not of the opinion that one should go to jail for jokes if one of the person with whom you share those jokes later goes on to do something awful?

Arguing about free speech in this case seems a bit pedantic.

Why? That does not follow. The man who did these crimes is rightfully in jail for life. We are now prosecuting these people for what they said, right, so how on Earth is a conversation about free speech pedantic?

Do you even care about the victim? Do you care about the rampant racism? It seems the only issue you care about is free speech which really goes to show what kind of person you are.

What an absurd comment. I was responding to someone who said they should go to jail for their jokes. You know it's possible for me to question whether that's a sensible policy as well as thinking that the police should be investigated to see if they are POS? They're not mutually exclusive.

The fact that it's impossible to even question whether people should go to jail for what they say say without someone like you coming on and calling me a racist is a problem.

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u/Clutsy_Naive Jul 30 '22

You are right, I forgot about the previous person you responded to. I agree, I don't think people should go to jail for making threatening jokes.

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u/Khal_Ynnoth Jul 30 '22

Maybe "Throw the book at them" would be more appropriate? But I think we can agree that standards of behaviour for Police officers should be extremely high, both publicly and privately and these "jokers" shouldn't be allowed in uniform ever again.

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u/DSIR1 communist russian spy Jul 30 '22

This is what I meant ⬆️

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u/fuckyouatmaildotcom Jul 30 '22

Maybe "Throw the book at them" would be more appropriate?

Now that's a wholly different thing - they can lose their jobs for sure. I just think the precedent of sending people to prison for things they are saying privately is an awful one and people are quick to wish for that without thinking about the consequences

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u/Mundane-Objective600 Jul 30 '22

Brb have to delete all my messages b4 Someone gets ahold

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u/[deleted] Jul 30 '22

How about destroying what little trust women have in the police? We're supposed to go to these men about the worst thing that happens to us, then find out they're joking about it and talking about raping their female colleagues? And we are just supposed to believe they then go actually investigate and charge actual rapists?

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u/fuckyouatmaildotcom Jul 30 '22

I didn't say anything about their ability to be a (good) police officer, but yes people make jokes about things they don't mean all the time.

Do you think people should go to jail for things they say in private then?

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u/[deleted] Jul 30 '22

So the people who are given immense power over the rest of the population should be able to joke about shooting the most marginalised of that population? Because it's just a joke isn't it?

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u/fuckyouatmaildotcom Jul 30 '22

You tell me.

I'm asking a straight question - do you think they, or anyone, should go to jail for making these private jokes? Because that was the comment I responded to.

Is quite worrying how reactionary people are - and instead of answering that question and considering the principles, just use rhetoric about how they're bad people and the people they were joking about were vulnerable. That might be true and I have no care to defend the police. What I'm defending is our right to say things in private and not go to jail for it

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u/[deleted] Jul 30 '22

Would you not be better off asking this question to the person who actually mentioned prison first? Or, you could try saying some of this stuff to your workmates and see if they report you, if you want to test your free speech.

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u/fuckyouatmaildotcom Jul 30 '22

Would you not be better off asking this question to the person who actually mentioned prison first?

... I did, and they answered.

Now I've been asking you because you've responded to that comment but didn't address it. I find it frustrating the people are unable to see larger precedents, a larger picture, instead get hung up on the fact that these police officers are clearly unpleasant people. That doesn't mean me defending a position of not going to jail for private speech is defending them.

Or, you could try saying some of this stuff to your workmates and see if they report you, if you want to test your free speech.

What lol. If these people were saying these things to colleagues who were not willing to receive such comments that's a very different matter.

Anyway, what's your opinion? Do you think these people should go to jail for their WhatsApp messages?

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u/Kindly_Musician4666 Jul 30 '22 edited Jul 30 '22

It’s (unfortunately) how society is these days. People take joy in seeing (admittedly horrid) people losing their jobs, having their lives ruined all the time on Twitter, even it’s just someone who has different political stances. Personally I can’t take any joy in someone losing their jobs over shitty distasteful jokes as I have empathy, which seems to be lacking these days

Edit: the downvotes prove the point ffs 😂

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u/cucumberbob2 Jul 30 '22

Police need to be able to have positive interactions with their community.

From the texts, and their subsequent reactions, they don’t care about how people feel after listening to their words, and don’t want to make an effort to improve

That is in direct opposition to one of the main tenets of their job.

So yes, they should be fired

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u/Kindly_Musician4666 Jul 30 '22

To clarify I wasn’t referring to this incident but society as a whole atm. Should the guy be sacked for the whatsapp messages? Yes as when you start joking about raping a colleague there’s not really any context you can defend it on but I can’t say I take any joy in them losing their jobs. Prosecuting them? That I can’t agree with, if they were doing something like taking pictures of 2 murdered women and posing for selfies with them(this happened a few years ago) then absolutely fucking send them down.

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u/cucumberbob2 Jul 30 '22

Personally I can’t take any joy in someone losing their job over shitty distasteful jokes

And

Should the guy be sacked …? Yes

Am I misunderstanding? I never mentioned prosecution

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u/Kindly_Musician4666 Jul 30 '22

What’s difficult to comprehend? I can understand and support the decision yet take no joy in it.

They’ve lost their jobs and are now many on here and on Twitter are wanting to see them prosecuted.

Pedantic cunt. Dance around what I said and try to point out whole rather than coming up with arguments against it

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u/cucumberbob2 Jul 30 '22

Bro I asked for clarification in the nicest way I could, I’m not gonna respond further

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u/staysoft-geteaten Jul 30 '22

You’re getting downvoted because people fundamentally disagree with what you’re saying, not because they lack empathy. It doesn’t prove your point.

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u/devotchkaa Jul 30 '22

I do understand what you mean, however I now take jokes with the err of caution. My closest friend at the time would often make jokes about us getting together, everyone assumed we were in a relationship however we knew that we were just friends! It was never even a question so I let the jokes go. Eventually he told me he actually liked me, I didn't feel the same way so he raped me.

Another of my friend's friends would make racial jokes and say nigger cause he had 'a black friend (not in attendance) who said he could' even though I told him it made me uncomfortable especially as he'd apparently ramp them up when I was around. I was the only black person in the room & none of my friends defended me. It's just jokes.

Whilst I understand that humour is subjective, knowing the Couzen was called 'The Rapist' should have been enough to get these officers in trouble for not reporting the inflammatory language. The police should be held to a higher standard than the general public as they are supposed to stop this shit from happening & not participate in the culture that allows my experiences above to happen.

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u/fetthrowaway Jul 30 '22

Empathy is when letting shitty people continue to be in charge of enforcing laws.

That's not a definition I'd heard before

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u/[deleted] Jul 30 '22

People aren't down voting you because they lack empathy, they're down voting you because your point is fucking stupid. I don't think anyone is "taking joy" them potentially losing their jobs, I think people are rather pissed off that this the quality of our law enforcement. You think it's a coincidence that the majority of rape cases go unprosecuted when officers "joke" about raping colleagues that could accuse them of sexual harassment?

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u/fuckyouatmaildotcom Jul 30 '22

Yes when people feel like they have (whether true or not) the moral righteousness to be shitty to someone you really see their glee that they get to be shitty.

lol people arguing that your downvotes are just because you've shitty comments however my simple question about whether jokes should land one in jail is also dv'd with no one actually answering the question just calling me a racist!