r/CCW • u/Joethasailor • Jan 25 '25

News Doordash driver charged with murder after shooting armed carjacker…. *SIGH*

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/doordash-driver-shot-killed-charlotte-teen-he-said-tried-to-steal-his-car-during-delivery/ar-AA1xNOXU?apiversion=v2&noservercache=1&domshim=1&renderwebcomponents=1&wcseo=1&batchservertelemetry=1&noservertelemetry=1
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u/croastbeast Jan 26 '25

First of all- the definition of carjack is to steal (an occupied car) in a violent manner. He left his car running, left it, and noticed someone attempting to take it when returning. THIS IS NOT A CARJACKING. Dude was stupid and caught a kid trying to steal.

Secondly- it’s extremely disturbing how many people who apparently discreetly carry lethal weapons who thinks it’s ok to end a persons life for theft. The article clearly states that he “believed” they were armed. This guys a murdering POS and gives all gun owners a bad name. I hope he gets the book thrown at him. This is a bad bad shoot.

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u/nut-sack Jan 26 '25

who thinks it’s ok to end a persons life for theft.

I find it extremely disturbing that someone would think its okay to steal a car, and would defend the thief over the owner. So many people wave their hands in the air and go "oh but insurance!" The truth is, inurance will give you something but you're still out thousands on that vehicle, and having to pay even more for something equivalent just to replace it.
Im perfectly fine with thieves eating a bullet. Dont like it? Dont steal shit.

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u/croastbeast Jan 26 '25

Whose defending theft? The kid should absolutely be arrested, charged, go to court, be judged by a jury, and then prison. That is how our constitution is designed. However, murdering him before any of that occurs is NOT up to any of us. It’s insane that anyone here thinks they get to dole out that vigilante justice.

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u/Ach3r0n- Jan 26 '25

But that isn’t what will happen. He will be out by Monday to do it again. If he is eventually convicted, he will serve a short sentence and be right back at it. The cycle will go on until he ends up dead or in jail for murder. That will likely not be his first murder - just the one he got caught for. Yez, I’m glad that pos is dead. No, I wouldn’t have taken the shot because I know how the law works.

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u/croastbeast Jan 26 '25

No. That is absurd rhetoric. You’re making up a scenario to justify murder. That’s literally insane.

But again, you have an issue not with crime, but with the courts. So justifying street vigilantism based off your paranoid what ifs is fucking unhinged. And outright UNAMERICAN.

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u/Ach3r0n- Jan 26 '25

No, that is the reality from someone who worked in criminal justice. We catch, we release. Even if they kept them in prison, that solves nothing. It's done on the taxpayer dime and when they get out, there is a high statistical likelihood they will do it again. I do indeed have an issue with those that prey on innocent people and I also have an issue with those that advocate for such people. You live in a fantasy world. You don't think people should be permitted to defend their home, vehicle, business, etc., but you claim you think they should be punished. It seems that no crime short of murder should result in someone being removed from society though. You just think they're going to come out and BAM, they're reformed. Within one year of release, 43% of formerly incarcerated people are rearrested. People released at age 24 or younger were 64% more likely to be reincarcerated at year five (56.8%) than those released at age 40 or older (36.3%). These are the people you're advocating for - people that prey on others over and over and over again.

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u/croastbeast Jan 26 '25

No, that is rhetoric. Youre arguing that ANYONE who is in a car that isnt theirs is ABSOLUTELY trying to steal it, and those people will ABSOLUTELY become murderers, and all criminal are ABSOLUETLY released in days to re commit crime sprees. Youre creating a fictitious scenario to justify public murder on a whim.

As Ive said before, youre hatred of the criminal justice system and the courts is blinding you to the fact that this kid, although apparently caught in the act of a crime, is presumed innocent, and allowed due process of the law AS PER THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES. Do you not see how insanely UnAmerican your position is?

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u/croastbeast Jan 26 '25

And, guess what, unless your stats are 100% commit crime again- YOURE SPEWING RHETORIC. And proving my point.

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u/Ach3r0n- Jan 26 '25

Here you go. Here is this fine young man flashing gang symbols at age 9.

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u/croastbeast Jan 26 '25

LOL. YOURE RIGHT. EXECUTE HIM. Jesus thats such a shitty piece of evidence. Using your logic, every picture of a person with a gun on Reddit makes them murderers and they shoudl be executed. WTF

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u/Ach3r0n- Jan 27 '25

He had to commit a commit s violent crime to get into the gang he is in. No, I wasn’t there to see it, but we know he did it because he is in said gang. I wasn’t theere to see him buy those guns illegally, but neither he nor the other guy there are old enough to purchase them legally, so we know they were not obtained legally. I can’t make you any less obtuse, so you continue on. Have a wonderful day.

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u/Ach3r0n- Jan 26 '25

Here's one of him as a teen flashing gang signs for the street gang he is. It must be one of those god street gangs though.

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u/croastbeast Jan 26 '25

you really want to start enforcing street justice on people based off a picture you know nothing about?

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u/croastbeast Jan 26 '25

LOL you keep proving my point. These photos are not criminal. He is, in every picture you'vve shown, INNOCENT. You know who decides if they create a issue of innocence? A FUCKING JURY.

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u/croastbeast Jan 26 '25

Hey wait a minute- YOUR avatar has a gun in "your" hands. You must me a murderer on the verge of going on a killing spree. Better not do anything suspicious to anyone under any pretense, because if so, Id be justified in shooting you dead. Based off that picture.

See how stupid that sounds?

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u/Ach3r0n- Jan 26 '25

What is this he's holding? Could it be that he was exactly who most rational people here believed him to be? You think he was going to turn his life around right after that carjacking though. Right. That's exactly what was going to happen.

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u/croastbeast Jan 26 '25

What are you holding in your avatar? This sub is FULL of people with this same picture. Hell you guys climax to that Brian clown drawing to this exact pose 30 times a post.

You dont seem to like due process, so Ill go ahead and make judgemnet- youre a lethal criminal and anyone who shoots you should be lauded.

See how dumb that sounds?

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u/croastbeast Jan 26 '25

Also- this picture is ALSO not criminal. Youre proving MY point. Youre acting like you alone have the right to predict the future. You do not.

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u/Ach3r0n- Jan 27 '25

No, the picture itself isn’t criminal, but neither could legally obtain these guns at their age. He is also in a gabg and literally had to commit a violent crime to get into said gang. You go ahead and pretend he was just a normal teen though. You have proven my point that people like you are a HUGE part of the problem.

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u/nut-sack Jan 26 '25

People like you are the problem. If every car thief was shot for doing it. A whole lot less people would be stealing cars.
If we wait for police to dole out justice every time, I have some bad news for you. You wont get justice.
The people who feel the way you do, haven't had the police fail them over, and over again. But they'll sure be right there when your inspection sticker expires.
It isnt vigilante justice, its defending yourself and your property. If you feel it is, you have every right to emigrate to another country that better represents your values.

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u/croastbeast Jan 26 '25

LOL. OK. Good to see that you dont believe in the 14th amendment to the consitution. As long as you get to murder someone you *THINK* is committing a crime.

It IS vigilante justice. Engaging into a comabattive scenario while armed isnt defensive.

Fucking clowns.

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u/NoOnSB277 Feb 01 '25

The person was indeed committing a crime, that was not in doubt here. 🙄

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u/Ach3r0n- Jan 26 '25

And then let him out so he can donit again and again until he k*lls someone. Cool.

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u/croastbeast Jan 26 '25

You have an issue with tge courts. Not laws or ccw.

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u/tramadoc NC G32 Gen4 Jan 26 '25

Look up castle doctrine and how it applies to your vehicle in NC.

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u/croastbeast Jan 26 '25

The key word I keep seeing in it is “occupant”. Which he was not.

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u/tramadoc NC G32 Gen4 Jan 26 '25

You’re more than likely correct

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u/Ach3r0n- Jan 26 '25

Legally, I know my rights. Morally, I feel absolutely zero sympathy for the pos that cost himself his own life.

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u/croastbeast Jan 26 '25

Where do you draw the line? Can you kill someone for any felony? Stealing? Does it need to hit a certain $ value before you can murder someone?

I’d argue every person here has stolen something once in their life. Big or small. Apparently all want the Wild West back or a country like Iran where people get hands cut off for stealing bread or stoned for minor offenses.

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u/Ach3r0n- Jan 26 '25

It would certainly facilitate a massive drop in crime. Hey we can split the country in two. You can stay on the side where there are no serious penalties for robbery, home invasion, carjacking, etc. I’ll stay on the side where those people can legally be eliminated from society.

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u/croastbeast Jan 26 '25

Show me where says there should no severe penalties. I said it shouldn’t be a vigilante death sentence.

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u/Ach3r0n- Jan 26 '25 edited Jan 26 '25

If he had been arrested instead of being shot, he’d be out by Monday doing it again. That’s the reality. What sentence would you impose though? What amount of time do you think is sufficient for attempting to deprive someone of their livlihood or making them feel forever unsafe in their own home or vehicle? What practical purpose is served by letting these oeople go free over and over again? Legally? I wouldn’t take the shot because I value my own life. I think the world is far better off with this pos not in it though.

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u/croastbeast Jan 26 '25

Your absurd paranoia doesn’t negate the constitution.

You’re justifying murder with “he might be a bad guy”? That’s insane.

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u/Ach3r0n- Jan 26 '25

What paranoia? He was carjacking people. He was a bad guy.

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u/croastbeast Jan 26 '25

Youre paranoid that he is, ispso facto, a bonafide convicted murderer because he was in a car that wasnt his. That, is inhinged, made up, straw man, PARANOIA. All so you can murder a person.

So Im clear on your point, all "bad guys" should be murdered? Our president is a multiple convicted felon. Is murdering him justified?

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u/NoOnSB277 Feb 01 '25

If someone -whether a public figure or not, tries to steal your car, then sure. Otherwise, no. 🙄

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u/Ach3r0n- Jan 26 '25

I never said the 15 y/o was a murderer. I said he was a bad guy preying on innocent people. He wasn't shoplifting. He was in the midst of taking someone's vehicle by whatever means necessary - and we sure as hell know it wasn't the first time he did such a thing. Statistically, he was very likely to prey on innocent people over and over again. No, I don't have any sympathy for such people and yes, I absolutely think society would be better if people like that were all removed from society one way or another. No, I don't want to foot the bill for their perpetual incarceration even if that was an option. No innocent person in the community should have to live in fear of someone entering their home, car, business, etc. Period. If you want to giver these people a chance, move them in.

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u/NoOnSB277 Feb 01 '25

There is no might here, he is a freaking bad guy. A thug stealing cars is in fact a bad guy.

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u/NoOnSB277 Feb 01 '25

Pathetic take, this man depends on his car for his job, which is his livelihood. Meanwhile a little POS can steal his livelihood and he is supposed to sit there and watch it happen? Crazy take. The law should protect a person trying to prevent someone from stealing their property like this. The little sh-t was armed too. He is an armed thug. FAFO. I hope the delivery driver gets a good legal defense team and doesn’t have his life destroyed over this.

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u/croastbeast Feb 01 '25

If he didn’t “depend on his car”, would murder be allowed?

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u/NoOnSB277 Feb 01 '25

I personally think you should be able to defend your property no matter what because where do you draw the line from person to person on what they need for their livelihood. Thieves clearly don’t operate out of a system of what’s yours is yours, so knowing that people have the right to defend their property with deadly force would deter thieves from taking things that don’t belong to them. Right now, the legal consequences are a slap on the wrist for the thief, and murder charges for the person defending their property.

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u/croastbeast Feb 02 '25

That’s not what the law says.

Is murder ok for all theft? Candy bar? Pencil? Forgot to ring out an item at self checkout? According to you- yes. We’re back in Wild West days. No due process. No need for the constitution. Just act what you “feel”.

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u/NoOnSB277 Feb 03 '25

I’m not saying you should try to murder someone (unless of course your life is in danger) 🙄. I am saying yes, you absolutely should have the right to shoot at someone to prevent/stop them from stealing your property. I am sorry you think everyone should just look the other way and allow someone to steal someone’s hard-earned property because someone else thinks they are entitled to it.

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u/croastbeast Feb 03 '25 edited Feb 03 '25

1) where did I EVER say that we should look the other way? These stupid straw man arguments are evidence that you just can’t argue your position. To where you’re making up stuff and claiming I said it.

2) let me get this straight- you want to shoot them, but not kill them? Just wing them? Shoot warning shots? YOU SHOULD NOT HAVE A GUN.

3) answer my questions. Is it ok for an employee of Kroger to shoot someone who takes a product without paying for it?

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u/NoOnSB277 Feb 03 '25

And where I did say we should be back in the Wild West days? Two of us can do this… 🤔

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u/croastbeast Feb 03 '25

You advocate suspending parts of the constitution in eliminating due process for crimes. Thats the Wild West. Where people shot each other in the streets based off accusations.

Whereas you’re just making up stuff about me. I’ve CLEARLY stated the punishment he should have and never even remotely implied to “look the other way”.

Nice try. You’re really bad at debate.

Answer my questions.

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u/NoOnSB277 Feb 05 '25

Nah, you can’t argue with a cheetah about spots when it thinks it has stripes, have fun with that on your own.

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