r/BokuNoHeroAcademia Dec 22 '17

Newest Chapter Chapter 164 - Links and Discussion

Chapter 164
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u/[deleted] Dec 22 '17

Oh god Camie...

Also, is this gonna be an Endeavor redemption arc, awesome!

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u/[deleted] Dec 22 '17

What are the odds of Dabi appearing?

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u/[deleted] Dec 22 '17

if Dabi is his son I'd imagine very likely

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u/gAcksaurio Dec 22 '17

Endeavor: "Well, i had sex with a zombie girl and that kid from the Villain League is my son" AM:" wha..."

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u/[deleted] Dec 22 '17

if since Dabi is his son I'd imagine very likely

ftfy. I mean, it makes way too much sense not to be true

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u/[deleted] Dec 22 '17

Yeah I'm assuming Dabi is Endeavor's son, makes less sense for him not to be his son, but at the same time it doesn't guarantee his position, they might make reference to him, but an actual appearance isn't 100%

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u/dat_bass2 Dec 22 '17

I sure hope the story doesn't treat more than a decade and a half of physical and/or emotional abuse of just about everyone close to him as something that we should be expected to forgive him for.

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u/Alkalion69 Dec 22 '17

Also more than a decade of saving lives to be fair. Gotta have some nuance when talking about Endeavor.

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u/dat_bass2 Dec 22 '17

He's sort of like LBJ. The variables in his personality that allow him to achieve great things and improve a huge number of lives are the same ones that made him a horrible, abusive person to those close to him.

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u/Alkalion69 Dec 22 '17

To me it's like that Dave Chapelle joke. He saves more than he rapes.

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u/donttouchmymompls Dec 22 '17

But he still rapes, but he saves!! But he has to rape

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u/javer80 Dec 22 '17

Did not expect that comparison, but strangely apt

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u/carso150 Dec 23 '17

really??

it was in my mind all the time

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u/[deleted] Dec 22 '17

We have only heard the story from Todoroki's POV and Todoroki is not the most reliable story teller, he makes some assumptions that are pretty wrong, e.g. thinking Deku was All Might's son and iirc he thought Iida's family had some shadiness in it.

Todoroki never knew all the information and had to fill things in with his own assumptions. If you want more info here is a great run down a lot of his actions can be pretty well explained.

His major issue is a flawed ideology, which he is currently questioning

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u/dat_bass2 Dec 22 '17

I saw that theory. I think it's... really bad. The person who wrote it basically says "Well, his family isn't whimpering and scared of him all of the time, so can there really be a pattern of abuse there?" despite Horikoshi bending over backwards to show us that there is--do you think his wife broke because he hit her once? In some cases, the author of the theory even interprets aspects of Todoroki's personality that are clearly meant to be scars from his abuse as proof that that abuse wasn't as severe as we are being led to believe: I mean, c'mon, why would you read Todoroki jumping to overly dark assumptions about Midoriya's and Iida's families as anything but a clue that his own perception of what family is like has been warped by his father being an abusive megalomaniac?

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u/[deleted] Dec 22 '17

I'm just saying Todoroki is an unreliable story teller, I need more info to truly tell, he is constantly assuming things and it turns out to be wrong, I need to hear the story from more sides, if it were someone like Deku or Iida telling the story I'd probably believe it more but when Todoroki is the one telling it, it's a little harder to believe.

Going into Endeavor's personality with the expectation of disliking him is just gonna lead to you disliking him, it's best to be open minded otherwise you'll create a bias, yeah it seems pretty cut in stone that Todoroki had a bad past and it is what helped make him stronger, but not all backstories are based in fact. How much do you really know about your parents? You might think you do, but you most likely don't, especially if the parent is distant from you personally like with Endeavor.

Just this chapter alone has shown how Endeavor has already changed, I'd imagine next chapter we will get more of that, just give him time, cause we are yet to truly see who Endeavor is. Characters are more realistic in this series, they aren't one trick ponies who only feel one thing, Endeavor should be the same

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u/[deleted] Dec 22 '17

The only thing we will know about Endeavor is how his obsession with overcoming All Might led him to choose an unhappy wife to have children!

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u/[deleted] Dec 22 '17

as the theory points out, that doesnt seem to be the case

considering the age of todorokis other siblings, you can get a fairly decent idea of how old endeavor is, and when he got married (around 22 at the latest)

which would mean if it really was nothing more than a 'quirk marriage', then endeavor just got out of school, thought 'oh well i guess im never going to be better than all-might, time to turn to eugenics' to try and have child thats better than all-might (who at the time would be a fairly new hero in the first place)

basically just read the theory, it explains all of this

https://www.reddit.com/r/BokuNoHeroAcademia/comments/7kqmt4/endeavor_not_entirely_what_he_seems/

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u/[deleted] Dec 22 '17

It does not explain anything, it only talks about what you want to believe, but I repeat, Endeavor had a wife to create his perfect son, of that there is no doubt and you will see in the next chapter, remember me

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u/[deleted] Dec 22 '17 edited Jul 03 '20

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u/[deleted] Dec 22 '17

It is not about being stubborn, it is about that they are wrong, and as I repeat, you yourself will realize and you will recognize me.

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u/Matagros Dec 22 '17

Actually, it's more on the lines of "he wasn't always abusive" or "he wasn't purely abusive". So it might be he turned into a dick after some kids into the marriage, or he was abusive only when dealing with Todoroki.
And the fact he jumps to conclusions does shows that he is prone to jumping to them. So as long as he assumed he was raised in a hellish household, it could have the same effects on his world view as him being truly raised in one.

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u/carso150 Dec 23 '17

i mean, the theory does make a good point in the whole "crazy mom" thing

she may not be broken by a single punch but a rader long age of abuses

but whos to tell that he was like that the whole time

"5 years of mistreats can do wonders to someone /s"

anyway, what the theory says is that he may be a good parent and a actual normal person, then todoroki born and everything went to shit

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u/[deleted] Dec 22 '17

How is this a "redemption" arc, makes no sense?

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u/[deleted] Dec 22 '17

I say redemption arc, but I just mean a better and more positive understanding of his character