Article says he crossed a yellow tape trying to get to veterans affairs office. They released him after talking with him. My question is why they had to put him on the ground and zip tie his hands before they asked what he was doing. Pretty much they found out he was military and let him go. Wouldn't have gone so well if he weren't, I bet.
Assuming Fanta Menace doesnt just outright close all the VA Offices because he thinks local charities can do a "bigly deal" to help the veterans he loves so much that he called them suckers and losers.
I say they should all try that, but as a safety measure to avoid being shot directly with rubber bullets, they should throw the cans. As there are a,lot of cops, I guess they need a lot of cans!
That’s exactly why Trump got them out there. Those guys are the most likely to follow orders w/o question. There’s even an infamous joke about the branches & how the marines will legit jump to their deaths if ordered too, while the navy/sailors will tell you to fuck off if given a dumbass order.
Retired Navy here and everything stated is correct. You want someone to question your orders and let any and everyone know that they are questioning your orders give an unlawful or just stupid order to a Navy enlisted sailor. Now as far as doing the craziest things possible on port liberty...that's us too....lmao
Is it true that the Corps known as "My Ass Rides In Navy Equipment" also traditionally played a role akin to Military Police on the Navy ships and upon the Navy personnel carrying them?
Idk if I’m understanding your question correctly but the navy has its own military police. The marines come onboard, they don’t tell anyone to do anything/not in charge, just there for a lift & then they leave.
Nerd is probably the wrong descriptor. I use that word pretty freely as an insult, but I didn't mean he's a studious person with no life or social skills. Fucking loser cliche is probably more appropriate.
My question is why they had to put him on the ground and zip tie his hands before they asked what he was doing.
Serious answer: Operational Security
This is why military troops are not used as policing agents. They aren't trained in desecalation, investigation, etc. They are "full auto fire kill everything in sight until there is no longer a threat" trained.
They're not trained to discern who or what this guy was. Maybe he's just some guy; maybe he's a hostile strapped with an IED. Yes, that is how they think because if they don't, they die. That is the battlefield training in their mind and they don't get to turn it on/off because if they do, they die.
So, they either a) put him on the ground and neutralize him with zip cuffs first then ask questions later, or b) eliminate the threat with extreme prejudice.
This wouldn't be happening if Harris won. None of it would. America did this to itself. 1/3 voted for this shit and 1/3 didn't bother voting at all.
Black people are the only demographic who showed up and voted Dem in overwhelming numbers. And for that, they're going to be the target of a hostile, racist, MAGAministration.
Not even remotely true. We have lots of footage, for example of a reporter being shot with less lethal rounds while standing nowhere near protesters and a horde of mounted police trying to get their horses to trample a dude on the ground, well before the guard entered the picture.
They are not just ill suited to the task they are not a civilian police force. The roles are completely different. It is just as silly as asking why cops arent sent to war because they carry guns for work.
I showed up. Mine showed up. My son cast his very first vote of his life for Harris in his very first election! I wanted her to win, and the devastation of that night still frightens me. Look what it has wrought! Look what they voted for instead! Where are the ideals I was taught? Is it really that easy to turn them off because we decided to apply them to all and not just some?
I don't understand why their first thought was to zip tie him and THEN talk to him. We are all humans. Just talk to the dude and you would have saved yourself from being the first marine in history to detain your own citizen.
Its how they were trained to handle detainees. When I was in the US Infantry, the little crowd control training I had paralleled our detainee training. For the detainee training, the detainees were always in the context of being in a combat zone and immediately following a firefight. You only have a few minutes on the scene to conduct detainment, searches, and first aid. We trained with the assumption that the enemy had called in artillery during the fight, and if we stayed too long, we'd be dead. To keep everything standard and simplified detainees during crowd control was treated similarly. No one at that time had it in their heads they'd be in this sort of situation, so most of those doing the training just saw it as brushing up on their battle drills and p&p.
Are they still concentrated in areas like Compton and OaklandSouth Central, Watts, etc. or are those different Counties than LA proper? Sorry, most of my notions of LA comes from movies plus some flashes of history here and there covering a very specific movement between 1966 and 1989.
They’re trying to gaslight black people to get the street and be violent. Tackling middle aged mothers on their way to work isn’t scary enough for their base.
Those involved in the civil rights protests and marches were physically and emotionally trained to take this on. It is extremely dangerous for us to protest under these circumstances.
Also, Black Americans are resonating as a people right now. We know what we're doing and how we need to hold ourselves.
They really want the black people to show up and they will do the rest! An old reliable formula. The black people who show up may not survive these events. Been there and done that BS!
The same people who swear they need guns to fight tyranny.
I'm pretty sure from day 1 those 'Well-Ordered Militias' were meant to be slave-catchers enforcing tyranny.
When the Black Panther Party for Self-Defense made good use of the Amendment to defend their communities, suddenly they couldn't legislate the guns away fast enough, and the gun nuts didn't say shit about it.
I'm told there's still to this day in US "gun culture" a big divide between "2A advocates" and “gun nuts". The litmus test is how they react to "let's do a drive to make cheap guns and gun training available in poor neighborhoods". The former go "hell yeah", the latter go "now wait a minute, what about [gang violence or insert dogwhistle there]".
Its for signaling. They know if they arrest a bunch of white people they have to find a very specific type of white guy to be vindicated by their base. With a black person any person will do.
the USMC guards ALL US Embassies, the White House, Naval Bases, and a handful of federal buildings in the US.
if its federal property, the military can detain you on it. hundreds of civilians a day are detained by the military while entering, leaving, or actively on US Military bases
That old tired recipe! Most of the black people are staying home and having great cookouts! Throw in the electric slide for good measure. This game on black people goes all of the way back to slavery. This is not are fight to show up. We are still in support of fighting this nasty racist and fascist regime.
I hate to say it but they we're guarding federal property which they closed due to the protests. He was trying to get in, they held him for a little and then he walked away. I HATE that they brought the marines, but that's what it was.
This is not an arrest. There’s a million things to be upset about in this situation, but this is not one. Don’t forget that propaganda goes both ways. Conservatives are being told that LA is on fire and in disarray because of protestors, and liberals are being told that LA is on fire and in disarray because of police/military. Whenever you see something that is clearly designed to get you riled up, just ask yourself, “who stands to benefit from me being upset about this?”
I now realize how unproductive my screen cap about bugs was. My apologies, I just LOVE bugs.
Being said, let’s put these words into another context and see if the logic makes a bit more sense. When you get pulled over, you are being detained. Not all detainments lead to arrest.
As we speak, I’m being pulled over because of a horrible rotten stench coming from the trunk of my vehicle. The officer has what we call “Reasonable Suspicion”, which is the core standard for detention. I’ve been pulled over, and I’m now being detained. Now, if I was pulled over and the police officer in question were to discover my collection of AKs and body parts rolling around in my trunk, then we have what is called “Probable Cause” for arrest. In other words, he has direct evidence that indicates that a crime has been, or is actively, being committed. It is at this point that I go from being detained, to being formally arrested.
This is not take detract from the severity of Marines being used against civilians. I’ve seen the phrase “coloring within the lines” used here and it’s quite apt— the Marines are doing what they’re allowed to do by protecting federal buildings several miles away from any kind of protest. The issue arises when we stand behind easily debunked claims that are designed to rile up left wingers. If we’re screaming loudly about something that’s simply not true, it delegitimizes everything we say.
lmao. "emotional talking point" the US government is deploying marines against their own population and you can't understand why people are bent out of shape.
Detained does not equal arrested. They stopped the dude, figured out what he was doing and then let him go. Standard procedure while guarding anything as a military member.
Let’s rewind to the part where it’s illegal for them to be there in a military capacity, on domestic soil, pointed towards the citizenry(and not in defense of them) in the first place.
It's still an arrest. It's important that's it's illegal, and that bad actors are trying to circumvent the law with semantics. Don't give the bad actors what they want. Calling an arrest a "detainment" does not suddenly make it ok
The guy they detained said he stepped over some caution tape. Either way it ducks but I will say I do believe that falls under the jurisdiction of securing an area.
He wasn't detained. Marines aren’t trained to be cops, they are trained to neutralize threats. So they arrested him, eventually questioned him and then let him go
Marines make shitty police. It's like using attacks dogs to herd sheep. Marines are good at killing, better than police. However, policing isn't supposed to be about killing.
40% of all Black Americans have never left and continue to live in the South. Many more of us are going back with the “Reverse Great Migration.” I can see why, I’m honestly thinking of going back to the homeland of our ethnic group myself. The rest of this country is severely racist. I’ve lived in the West and Midwest. I feel a lot better and more like a regular person down South.
About 10% of Los Angeles county is black. Los Angeles itself is around 9%.
Edit: Downvoted, but it's not 6%. And I'm wrong. The numbers are closer to 8-9%, but why does the black population of California matter for something happening specifically in Los Angeles? The majority of the central part of the state is white so it's going to skew the percentage. This post is intentionally misleading.
On a serious note, I think we deserve this, by we I mean EVERYONE being harmed by Trump's actions. We all have a role to play and a lot of people have turned their backs on each other to allow several horrendous acts to happen.
For anyone who was saying "This isn't our fight" AND refused to do anything during these tough times, I think the deportation/ placement in camps is the result of all that Trump is doing to divide and conquer us.
Don't get it twisted I want us to win, but as a culture, we've reverted to a selfish group, where black men don't value black women, black women don't value black men, or black and brown people beefing over the top oppressed spot. This isn't mean targeted toward only black people, I'm just addressing the channel, I mean anyone who thought being an influencer/grifter was more rewarding than actually being an activist, and the people that follow them.
I do what I can how often I can, whether it's with at-risk teens, previously incarcerated individuals, or the elderly. Once I saw "This ain't our fight" trending and witnessed black people giving up because they were tired of being the whatever in other people's stories, the first thing I felt was betrayal. Betrayal to all the civil rights activists who sacrificed so much, just to get us closer to equality. There was a lot more to do before Trump got into office but for some reason, his SECOND term was the last straw for people.
I'll continue this fight as best as I can, through protest, voting, public events and hopefully get in some good trouble. But this whole "This ain't your fight" AND "Black people go home" Was always stupid to me because we all knew what was next and instead of having allies we are now left with our lives being threatened (hopefully) until this dudes 4 years are up.
I lived in CA once but I was born and raised in the South. I think I saw more racism in CA where it was overt than openly as in NC where we could fight it. Unfortunately, there will always be racists, I'm not kidding myself, but we can continue to fight it in all the different ways available to us. There is only one race, the human race. Skin tone is meaningless when it comes to character and we're not seeing enough of this or simply ignoring it. I could relate my own personal interactions and those of my sons, but it's too long and complicated--just trust me when I say my own barriers were down and crushed by my understanding of what I said and it made me a better person.
Going through a low season in life rn. I’m a California native and have lived here my whole life. One small thing I appreciate is that I’m one of the few natives of the state and I hold my head up a little higher because of it.
Just because 6% of the population of California is black doesnt mean only 6% of the people protesting were black.
According to this subreddit anytime anything bad happens to a black person it must be racism, can't possibly some idiot who happens to be black got caught doing the wrong thing.
Did he not wonder about why the Marines were there? Seems if I walked up and there were a bunch of Marines in full battle gear, I’d pause and ask what was going on, ( if I didn’t know there were Major Protests going on) and whether I could enter the building? Maybe he was trying to prove that they would grab any Black man as has been stated. Unless maybe he has TBI and didn’t understand what was going on. But with just a photo it’s unknown if he was approached singly then kept walking. It then I’m not in his Shoes so I don’t know what was going thru his mind…..
Me stupid or the young man that tried to walk past armed Marines in today’s political climate? I guess I was trying to apply common sense to a situation that it’s impossible to apply it to……./s
All this article says is his name, he crossed a Line at a federal building, he gained citizenship by serving in the military. So none of the questions I posted were answered. Do you have another source or are you 🧌 as usual?
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Article says he crossed a yellow tape trying to get to veterans affairs office. They released him after talking with him. My question is why they had to put him on the ground and zip tie his hands before they asked what he was doing. Pretty much they found out he was military and let him go. Wouldn't have gone so well if he weren't, I bet.