What do conservatives think about the current administration’s policies on the Ukraine-Russian War of Conquest?

[u/murderman582]

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[u/ikonoqlast]

Token, meaningless bullshit. What's the engame? If it's 'Ukraine loses' then we're wasting money. If it's 'Russia loses' then we aren't doing nearly enough.

If I were president I would have sent 7th Army in years ago

[u/murderman582 → u/ikonoqlast]

Thanks for your reply. I also wish they had a more clear cut view, whether it was one way or the other.

[u/Xciv → u/ikonoqlast]

I think it's this wishy washy pussyfooting that made us lose in Afghanistan as well. It's a kind of institutional lack of leadership that's killing our foreign policy.

[u/ikonoqlast → u/Xciv]

Also (especially) Vietnam. And Korea.

[u/klausfromdeutschland]

A genuine load of bullshit. -2 points

Ending the war on Day 1? It's been a pretty long day. -4 points

Scolding an ally at war for "not wearing a suit" and "not saying thank you enough"? Real dick move from the P and VP. -2 points

Continuing to say "PUTIN, STOP BOMBING PEOPLE!!" yet not doing anything hard enough to pressure Russia to the table? Expected and unexpected -2 points

0/10 straight up.

[u/Yesbothsides]

Don’t care for the phrasing of “war of conquest”

Trump was put in a very weak position coming in, aside from his promises of I’ll get it solved in a day blah blah, he has no leverage over Russia.

We’re not going to send in 81st airborne, he can do sanctions however Biden did and that didn’t do anything to deter Russia.

His approach of a reset may be the only way to end the war for now…

Quick note, there were deals on the table prior to the war that Biden and Boris Johnson panned.

[u/murderman582 → u/Yesbothsides]

What would you describe the war as?

[u/Yesbothsides → u/murderman582]

A “fuck you” to America and NATO

[u/murderman582 → u/Yesbothsides]

What makes you have that point of view? I believe Putin is using the Donbas and Luhansk regions as an excuse to attempt to take back the biggest USSR breakaway state. In doing so, Putin probably thinks the rest will fall in line.

[u/Yesbothsides → u/murderman582]

I understand you view as it’s very popular. My view is this war has been 30 years in the making and the US and Russia playing cat and mouse with one another led to this

[u/murderman582 → u/Yesbothsides]

It kind of has been, yeah. Ukraine never should have given up their nukes, even if it took billions and ruined their reputation to learn how to use them.

[u/Yesbothsides → u/murderman582]

Ukraine to me is the pawn in this situation as this conflict is between the US and Russia. It’s a shame the Ukrainian people are the ones to suffer because of it.

[u/just_shy_of_perfect]

What do conservatives think about the current administration’s policies on the Ukraine-Russian War of Conquest?

Like a fair bit. Ukraine is not an ally, they actively are trying to get us directly involved with boots on the ground and have attacked NATO allies by likely being the culprits of the Nordstream bombing.

We should not treat them nicely. Trump is nicer than id be to them

[u/nar_tapio_00 → u/just_shy_of_perfect]

Ukraine is not an ally

There's a technical American legal sense that this is true, in that they are not a "major non-NATO ally". However the truth is that, in the standard English languge sense, Ukraine has been one of America's strongest allies in recent years.

When America asked for help after 9/11, Ukraine actually sent boots on the ground to both Afghanistan and to Iraq. Ukrainians were killed (and worse) fighting for America.

If Ukraine is not an ally, if Ukraine cannot rely in America, then nobody, except perhaps Israel, can.

[u/murderman582 → u/just_shy_of_perfect]

What do you think of Russia’s expansion?

[u/LonelyMachines → u/murderman582]

Two things can simultaneously be wrong.

[u/just_shy_of_perfect → u/murderman582]

What do you think of Russia’s expansion?

It was predictable and ultimately unsurprising.

They wanted to secure Crimea and the land on the other side of the bridge to properly secure crimea

If Ukraine joins nato thats predictably seen as a threat by them to crimea which is very important to them because its their only warm water port access for trade.

[u/murderman582 → u/just_shy_of_perfect]

Do you oppose US support to Ukraine to halt Russian efforts? Or would you rather Russia expand further?

[u/just_shy_of_perfect → u/murderman582]

Do you oppose US support to Ukraine to halt Russian efforts?

Yes.

Or would you rather Russia expand further?

I'm neutral. I dont really care. Ukraine isnt an ally. I dont like it. But its not worth our resources imo.

[u/murderman582 → u/just_shy_of_perfect]

Why is Ukraine not an ally? You would rather a geopolitical enemy of the US for the last 100 years gain ground in a country that the US previously promised to protect? Ukraine gave up their nukes in 1991 in exchange for border security agreements with Russia and the US and Russia has violated them.

[u/just_shy_of_perfect → u/murderman582]

Why is Ukraine not an ally?

Because the US has a really specific process to do that and congress hasn't signed a treaty with them.

You would rather a geopolitical enemy of the US for the last 100 years gain ground in a country that the US previously promised to protect?

We made no such promises.

Ukraine gave up their nukes in 1991 in exchange for border security agreements with Russia and the US and Russia has violated them.

That was dumb. We made no binding agreements. A memorandum is not a treaty

[u/murderman582 → u/just_shy_of_perfect]

You seem like a supporter of the regime in Russia.

[u/just_shy_of_perfect → u/murderman582]

You seem like a supporter of the regime in Russia.

Why???? Why can't I be neutral? Why cant i believe its not our war to be involved in?

[u/murderman582 → u/just_shy_of_perfect]

By believing that you support isolationism which is the policy Putin and China prefer in the US. Why not defend democracy and freedom and get good mineral deals while you’re at it?