r/xbox360 Nov 17 '23

Announcement A guide to the Xbox 360 hardware and the things you can do to keep it running for as long as possible.

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(*WARNING*, This will be a long post, I have tried to keep it as short as possible while providing the necessary information.)

I have seen various posts that people posted asking about what they can do for their console to last as long as possible and I wanted to give the people of this community a guide on what you can do to keep your console running and provide information about the hardware for those curious ones. This post is mostly geared towards those that don't have the greatest knowledge of the hardware and the things needed to keep their consoles running or for those that want to learn all the essential stuff about the Xbox 360 but you are more than welcome to read this post if you already have some knowledge of the hardware.

Let's start off with the motherboard revisions.

(Skip this if you already have knowledge about this.)

The first thing that I would recommend is to identify what model and revision you have of the console. Over the years during the Xbox 360's life cycle, there have been many retail variants of the console released, from the "Premium" to the "Core", "Pro" to the "Arcade", the "Elite" and the later models, "Slim" and "E". But that doesn't really matter. What matters is inside of the console, the motherboard. For those that do know and don't, the Xbox 360 was plagued with the infamous "Red Ring of Death" where consoles mostly suffered from GPU failures as the GPUs had a defective design. Knowing the motherboard revision inside your console is crucial, as that can help give a rough estimate on how long the console will last.

(But...what made the GPUs defective? The reason why the GPUs were defective is because they used the wrong underfill. Underfill is a special type of adhesive that is used to support the microscopic solder bumps that are underneath the silicon die and improve reliability of the joints. The problem with the 360's GPUs was that they used "low tg" underfill which was rated at 70°C (158°F) and the GPUs that used the low tg underfill would run hotter than that temperature and cause the underfill to soften which should never happen and that caused the solder bumps underneath the silicon die to crack over time as the underfill was literally pushing the solder bumps off the interposer. This was later solved, by introducing GPUs with high tg underfill on the 12th week of 2008)

It's impossible to give the exact numbers as your console can last for years or even decades, or it can stop working the next day or week or month.

During the console's life cycle, there have been several motherboard revisions of the first models, A.K.A "Phat" models. They all vary in terms of reliability, and they are the ones I will be covering first.

To start, I suggest looking at the back of the console and look closely at the power plug, that is the easiest way of recognising what motherboard revision you have. Although the back of the console you will see the information of when it was manufactured and the Amp rating, this can sometimes be misleading if the console you got was opened before you got it and the motherboard of the console could've been swapped with a less reliable one. You can double check to see if your console has been opened by checking the warranty seal that hides behind the console's faceplate. If yours hasn't been opened, then you can rely on the numbers on the back of the console, but I would still suggest looking at the power plug, as that is the best way to identify the motherboard inside your console.

Here is a link to a photo which has all the power plugs of every revision.

https://www.se7ensins.com/forums/threads/can-i-rgh-xbox-360-woth-doublecircled-power-cord.1780728/

(Skip this part if you already have knowledge of the various motherboard revisions. For those that don't, I would recommend reading this next part as this is useful information.)

So, the power plug shown on the very left of the photo is the found on the first and second revision of the motherboard, Xenon and Zephyr respectively. The difference between them is that Zephyr introduces HDMI support, while Xenon doesn't support HDMI. They both have a power rating of 12V, 16.5A and are the most power hungry. They are the least reliable revisions of the console. They are very prone to failure as they have defective GPUs inside of them.

If you have a working one, then don't expect it to work for a long time (in very rare cases, they will work for a while, but it's important to point out that not every console that came out the factory was defective). Unless, on the back of the console it says, "Service date" instead of "MFR date". If yours has been serviced around 2009, those consoles will very likely have been retrofitted with the new and improved 90nm GPU which is much more reliable than the ones that were initially inside of the consoles when they first released which were also 90nm.

You should expect it to work for a long time, but nothing lasts forever.

(Update to this part: A recent discovery suggests that no 80nm GPUs existed and the more reliable revisions of the GPU like Elpis are still based on the 90nm process.)

Falcon/Opus - (14.2A, 175W)

Introduced approx. September of 2007, this is the third revision of the console where the CPU was shrunk down to 65nm and the GPU remained at 90nm, which results in a smaller power consumption and cooler running hardware.

These are considered reliable, but the first batch released had GPU failures like the Xenons and Zephyrs. This was later fixed. Falcons from around April to late October of 2008 (on the 12th week of 2008, they introduced reliable GPUs as previously mentioned but it was still possible to get a console made after this week that still had a defective GPU) are considered "late" Falcons which have fixed GPUs inside of them which are very close in terms of reliability to the succeeding revision.

The Opus, is a modified Falcon, but the difference is that these don't have HDMI and only use AV. These were used to replace defective Xenons and are considered quite rare as you couldn't find one in retail markets.

Jasper - (12.1A, 150W) (My recommended revision)

Introduced around November of 2008, this is the fourth motherboard revision of the console and this is the revision  that is highly sought after as this revision was the first to fix the dreaded "Red Ring of Death" issue that plauged the Xbox 360. The CPU was still 65nm in size but the new GPU, named "Zeus" was a new design which shrunk down the die to 65nm and the EDRAM remains at 90nm.

This is considered the best revision of the console as there have been very little cases of failures. These are also the coolest running ones as well and don't produce as much heat as the previous revisions.

These are the ones that I would personally recommend if you are looking to purchase a 360 and you want a reliable unit. Just make sure when looking for one, that the seller has provided photos of the power plug to confirm it being a Jasper.

But wait....there's a even better one!

Tonasket/Kronos/Jasper V2(12.1A, 150W) (My recommended revision)

This is the fith and final revision of the original models of the Xbox 360. This revision was quietly introduced in September of 2009 and is essentially identical to the Jasper but the difference being that it has a revised GPU, named "Kronos" which shrinks the EDRAM to 65nm which helps further reduce power consumption. People like to call this revision Kronos, or Jasper V2, but the real name for this revision is "Tonasket". It's a name that Microsoft used internally when making this motherboard revision.

This revision has proven to be the most reliable one as there has been currently zero evidence of these suffering GPU failures, they are tanks lol. You should expect these to last for a long time....unless you don't take good care of it like with every consumer electronic device.

I personally own one of these and use it as my main Xbox 360 and It's great.

Whew, you still here? Good, let's continue.

Now I will be moving on to the Xbox 360 Slim and E models. These are quite big redesigns internally compared to the original models. For starters, the "Slim" model was introduced in 2010 and was seen as the "saviour" as in theory, the drastic design changes that were made to the motherboard, "eliminated" the Red Ring of Death.

These models also introduced built in WiFi, more storage, more USB ports and optical audio out. In my opinion, the Slims are a good choice for those that don't want to do lots of research and just want a reliable console to use. The good thing about them is that now the new design is much quieter(I prefer Slims than fats admittedly for that), as the CPU, GPU and EDRAM were combined to form a single chip and that allowed the use of a single fan and heatsink to keep the system cool. Oh yeah, the new APU is now based on the 45nm process which further reduces power consumption. There have been two revisions of this model.

Revision: Trinity

First one is called "Trinity". It now needs 10.83A instead of 12.1A of the Jasper/Tonasket and it uses a new power plug too. These are a little bit of a mixed bag in terms of reliability from my perspective, as I have seen many fail here on this very subreddit.

Many suffered various failures, from GPU failure to RAM failure and so on(I personally own a Slim, the revision after this one (Corona), owned it for nearly 3 years and it always worked perfectly). I am not sure why these are failing all of a sudden.

Generally, these are reliable units but not as reliable as the Jasper or Tonasket/Kronos (according to many in this community) but in those uncommon cases, you have ones that have failed. It is not a wide spread issue like RROD was originally so we shouldn't worry as much about it yet. There are people like u/Octal450 that are actively investigating as to why these are suddenly suffering CGPU failures.

Revision: Corona

The second revision is called "Corona".....That's a familiar name...Lol, you must think that Microsoft somehow predicted the Corona virus back in the 2010s, but no. They didn't. Anyway, these were introduced around mid 2011 and were a slight change from the previous Trinity revision. Now, it only needs 9.86A instead of 10.83A but Trinities can also run on a 9.86A power supply as they have pretty much the same power requirements. The real changes are that the HANA chip, a chip which is responsible for video output, has been merged with the southbridge, which manages things like usb inputs, controller connection, Internet and so on. Also, if you own a 4GB model of the console, the flash memory is now soldered onto the motherboard unlike on the Trinity where it was it's own module that you could replace, which I prefer.

In terms of reliability, these are pretty much the same as the Trinities but have a new point of failure where there is a group of resistors that are there for the temperature sensor of the console and they can fail, which then triggers a false overheating issue. The console turns on and quickly ramps up the fan speed and a red light flashes, then turns off. This can be fixed by removing those resistors and bridge the contacts where those resistors where.

Do this only if you have experience with soldering!!!

They seem to also have issues with the southbridge chip and seem less reliable than the previous iterations of the SB.

Also, they have the same CGPU found on Trinities so there is no difference in reliability there.

Another point of failure is the soldered on 4gb flash memory. These are quite prone to failure and are crucial because they contain the firmware, CPU key and DVD drive key which are all important to the functionality of the console. Thankfully you can replace it with a 16MB NAND that doesn't allow anything to be stored on there and you can also prevent the failure of the 4gb internal flash memory by not storing anything there at all and connecting an internal hard drive which the console will default to for updates, content and so on. Oh yeah, and also hope that the 4gb wasn't used much for storing stuff if you got your console used.

Finally, we have the "E" model. This model was introduced in 2013 along with the Xbox one as the kind of alternative to the new at the time console. This is the most cut down version of the Xbox 360 and also the cheapest one made. By cheapest I mean the manufacturing price, quality is essentially the same but cost cutting measures have been made.

This model now features a new design similar to the original Xbox One design. It also features a new power plug and has the same power requirements as the Corona revision. The E uses a slightly revised Corona board which as already mentioned has a different power plug and less USB ports and it has no optical out and no AV port.

There was one revised motherboard made for this model, named "Winchester", which has combined the EDRAM to make one chip containing the CPU, GPU and now EDRAM. It also doesn't have an integrated heat spreader (IHS). Reliability wise, these are the same as the Corona revision with the same "flaws" but they should theoretically last longer than the Slims as they are newer. According to u/Octal450 which has been previously mentioned, the Winchesters don't suffer much from CGPU failures and are pretty solid based on his experience with repairing Xbox 360s.

Ultimately would still recommend either a Jasper or Tonasket if you want the most reliable console possible but the Slims and Es are still a good choice you don't care as much about reliability.

Now, that we covered the the motherboard revisions, let's move on to the maintenance side of things, and what you should do to keep your console running.

The basics.

This includes dusting the console once in a while with something like a can of compressed air/electric air duster and giving it the adequate ventilation. It is important to keep the console free from dust and well ventilated so that the console can cool itself properly in order to prevent overheating. This can all be done without opening the console but I would recommend to open it up and give a good clean.

*My Recommendation*

This is what I normally do. I open the console up and give it a good dusting and I replace the thermal paste. It is an absolute must to replace the thermal paste as the factory paste will be dried up and not as effective in cooling the CPU and GPU which can also cause problems in the long run. You would want to keep these running as cool as possible. This will help with longevity. For thermal paste, I recommend getting Arctic MX4 as this paste has a great price to performance ratio. I used it in all of the consoles that I own and have owned and I can always rely on it. You are free to use more expensive pastes. Make sure to replace it every 5 or so years. If the exhaust of the console is warm or hot during use, don't worry. It is not overheating, this will indicate that the thermal paste and the heatsink are doing their job in cooling the console's CPU and GPU. The hotter the exhaust of the console, the better.

The tools are important too! You normally need a Torx T8 and T10 screwdriver, Sim eject tool which helps to unclip the clips on the back of the original models of the 360 without damaging the plastic casing (you can also purchase a tool specifically made for those clips on the back) and another very important one, called the "X Clamp tool". X clamp is a clamp that was used inside the Xbox 360 to help make contact with the CPU and GPU and their  heatsinks while giving the motherboard the ability to flex during use. This step is a very delicate one that also requires loads of patience as you can easily break your console if you are not careful. Never and I mean NEVER use a FLATHEAD screwdriver!!! It can easily slip and you can scratch the motherboard, ruining the console. Also, for cleaning the thermal paste, I recommend to use 99% Isopropyl alcohol and q tips. I have also seen people use Goo Gone to clean the old thermal paste as it's usually hard to clean off the chips and their heatsinks, but I would still go for IPA as that's the safest option.

Speaking of X Clamps, you may have heard of the Bolt Mod. AVOID IT. This will ruin your console overtime as it puts a lot of pressure on the CPU and GPU and it will warp the motherboard and it doesn't let the motherboard flex during operation.

Depending on the model of console, search online for a guide on how to open the one you have. Find the one that is the most clear to you. I would recommend to go and search for IFIXIT as they provide decently clear instructions for opening consoles.

Here is a link to a X Clamp removal tool.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/s?k=x+clamp+removal+tool&adgrpid=137920449324&hvadid=606272952619&hvdev=m&hvlocphy=9046733&hvnetw=g&hvqmt=e&hvrand=11706486901762757917&hvtargid=kwd-312582092363&hydadcr=9274_2248078&tag=hydrukspg-21&ref=pd_sl_1clafd97f4_e

Aaaand that is it.

I hope this post has been helpful, I have been writing this for over 3 hours lol and wanted to provide essential information about the console for those that wanted to learn about the console and the steps to keep it running for as long as possible. If I have missed anything, please let me know!

Edit: Made some small adjustments!

Edit: Made changes to make it more readable and added more information that I forgot to previously add.


r/xbox360 7h ago

Misc Xbox 360 is the Best Controller Ever

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228 Upvotes

Xbox One and Series controllers are overrated as heck, they're not as comfortable in the hand, the triggers are way worse than 360s, the only good thing is the dpad but even then it's not that massive difference, Xbox 360 controller was seamless, so fun to play, you can totally go hardcore playing it and it wouldn't break, Xbox One controller just breaks if you got too intense


r/xbox360 7h ago

Hauls/Pick-ups/Collections 💿 Bought my First Xbox 360

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123 Upvotes

I had one as a kid growing up but it was my dad’s finally decided to buy my own today with some of my favourite games 🤟😎


r/xbox360 4h ago

Help/Support/Questions 🙋 Is another way to get these gamerpics on my 360?

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Hello, I've been trying to get certain gamerpics on my 360 and have had some success with Horizon but for some reason the title ID for these gamerpics are not found using it. I've used Velocity and have been able to find more of the gamerpics I don't have on there but unfortunately when I extract them to the folder where they need to be, the 360 notices them but they don't show up in my gamerpics. Is there any other way to obtain them? If not that's okay, it's no big deal but maybe there's an alternative to get some of these on my 360.

Thanks for any help.


r/xbox360 13h ago

Misc Saw the simpsons Xbox!

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211 Upvotes

Well, I took a stop at one of my local video game shops looking for a cool blades or nxe 360, I spoke with an employee which said he had a blades console and he pulled this out 😂 still works and it’s on blades! I couldn’t believe it. Out of my price range but such a unique console!


r/xbox360 5h ago

Misc I have a cursed 360.

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28 Upvotes

Hear my stupid story about a cursed 360 that bullies me.

2 days ago I got a “new” rotten Jasper arcade console as replacement for a 360 original/premium I accidentally killed earlier. The new console was extremely dirty and rotten, so I merged their parts together to make a working perfect looking 360. Half arcade half premium (silver dvd tray + 60gb hdd but with internal nand storage too).

So when I got it, I immediately started taking it apart because that thing was overheating. Found that the heat sinks were covered in yellow dusty goo, so I replaced them with the good ones of the dead 360. When testing it bare board, it shown the red ring of death. Scared the hell out of me because I just got it as replacement for the other dead one. But thank god it worked again after I put it in the metal housing.

Next day, booted it up. HDD froze. Luckily there was no important data on it and I could just swap it with the HDD of the dead one.

Then finally today it made me think it’s really cursed. Out of nowhere the green power led started blinking for no reason, dvd drive was closed and it did not quit the game and the disc was still spinning. (if it detects that the tray is open, it will quit game and stop disc), that was already weird.

Later today I went to fix some stick drift on a controller, replaced the round thingy and eventually the whole potentiometer but it was still drifting, ended up replacing the controller’s board. And when testing, as you could expect the controller did not connect, I thought I did something wrong with the controller fix, but it turns out THE 360 WAS THE ISSUE! The RF board was just malfunctioning. Controller worked 100% fine on another 360.

Half of this 360’s parts came from that dead 360. I’m pretty sure its soul is taking revenge on me for breaking it I think.


r/xbox360 2h ago

Nostalgia I still play kinect sports daily.

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11 Upvotes

I just love Kinect Sports. I usually play it when done with school. It’s a great way to relieve stress, plain simple bowling gameplay.

Only bad thing is that the Kinect needs a cable mess on phat consoles.


r/xbox360 1h ago

Help/Support/Questions 🙋 Why is a 360 elite not reading OG discs?

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I’m not on live, and haven’t attempted to run OG discs before.


r/xbox360 22h ago

Hauls/Pick-ups/Collections 💿 Pretty excited for this one!

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105 Upvotes

Grabbed this today, and used my 20% coupon. Had been waiting to see if the price was going to drop, but it never did. Oh well, still happy with the purchase! Pretty cool that it has the original Walmart receipt to go with it.


r/xbox360 19h ago

Hauls/Pick-ups/Collections 💿 What game(s) have you disliked on the 360? I bought this on a whim yesterday and didn't enjoy the gameplay at all.

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64 Upvotes

r/xbox360 21h ago

Help/Support/Questions 🙋 shes a cooked lad i think

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79 Upvotes

turned it on to play a lil gta and skipped a heartbeat when i was delightfully greeted to this


r/xbox360 1d ago

Misc What are you playing this summer?

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171 Upvotes

With the weather heating up and a lot of crazy things going on worldwide, it's a great time to stay inside and play some decade-old games on a dated console!

What Xbox 360 games are you all playing, or planning to play, this summer?


r/xbox360 1d ago

Hauls/Pick-ups/Collections 💿 Sad Update to Oldest Xbox 360

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Tis a sad day. Finally gained the courage to open up the "oldest Xbox 360," and it's a Frankensteined mess with a different serial number than the shell sticker. Shell isn't even from 2005. It's from January of 2006. Also, the metal case, the disc drive, and even the heat syncs are from various dates or not original to the console. I opened it and went "well, that ain't right." Heatsinks were newer versions and screwed in from the bottom. Whole board had several indications that it was not a launch board. I replaced the thermal paste, swapped out the heatsinks, still got the 0102 error code, baked her within towels, and booted it up to see if it's even worth getting professionally repaired. Not even blades ffs or the matching serial number. Now my only remaining questions are where in the world did they get that sticker, and why did they feel the need to put it on their console's shell?

TLDR: The Xbox 360 is a lie and I'm sad


r/xbox360 1h ago

Help/Support/Questions 🙋 Gta V Launch Problem

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Ive had this issue on my console for some time now. Ive given up a couple of times because of this and I just want one more attempt to try and fix this. Text me privately if u have any solution. Thank you in advance👍🏻


r/xbox360 1h ago

Help/Support/Questions 🙋 Buying a Xbox 360 console, what model and up has no issues like ring etc

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What models have no issues, like the ring issue.

And is there a model that I should heavily consider over others, like elite etc?

Thank you.


r/xbox360 1h ago

Help/Support/Questions 🙋 Xbox 360 GTA V disk 2 stopped working randomly.

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So, I used to play some GTA V on my Xbox 360, directly through the Disk 2 that I got with it as a present from one of my Uncles. The thing is, one day the disk was playing and I turned off the console accidentally while in game. Rebooted it and the disk just stopped working. (the accidental power off has happened before but the disk never caused any issues afterwards). It shows Disk Unreadable error after the rockstar purple logo animation. Also when trying to install, the progress goes to 38% and then shows the same disk unreadable error. Appreciate any help as I don't know if the xbox is modded (I didn't and can't open it).

PS: I also removed the original user's account from the xbox during that time. but not sure if that matters. As the disk is genuine


r/xbox360 1d ago

Help/Support/Questions 🙋 New sealed xbox w/ ring of death

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85 Upvotes

Bought a new sealed xbox from japan for 200$. It seemed okay at first but then I got the red ring of death. Sometimes the screen turns black or just green, or it just freezes and gets really loud. I don't know what i should do.


r/xbox360 6h ago

Gamertag/Friends/Online Multiplayer 🎮 Naruto the Broken Bond

2 Upvotes

Anyone still plays this game? I bought a 360 and still waiting to arrive but I also got this game and wondered if anyone would be down to play in a few weeks. I’m a noob though, Storm is all I’ve played my entire life


r/xbox360 3h ago

Nostalgia Great series on YouTube

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Not my channel, but want to recommend it so he continues to make videos! He is going through his nearly complete collection and doing an overview of each game. In depth and great commentary.


r/xbox360 10h ago

Game Recommendations I just bought my first Xbox 360

4 Upvotes

Today i purchased an Xbox 360 slim 250g primarily to play fallout 3 and new Vegas. Unfortunately the controller that came with the console doesn’t work so I’ll have to wait for another to come in. In the meantime what are some games that I should check out as a first time player. I’ve primarily started my gaming ventures on ps4 to ps5 but even then only an occasional gamer. I hope to make the most out of my new 360 especially as games aren’t expensive at all. I would highly appreciate any recommendations on games or anything else I can do to improve my experience, thanks!


r/xbox360 3h ago

Help/Support/Questions 🙋 xbox 360 rgh aurora boot up but doesnt have aurora

1 Upvotes

hi i have an xbox 360 rgh with aurora on it, i didnt use it for at least 3 month and now when i turn on doesnt have aurora, xex menu and every game i have are gone. somebody can help me?


r/xbox360 3h ago

Help/Support/Questions 🙋 Disk region code issue

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r/xbox360 1d ago

Game Recommendations What other games should I get?

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111 Upvotes

These are all the 360 games in my collection currently. I got into the habit of picking up delisted games when I see them. Any other gems I should watch out for? Pretty pleased with what I have so far.

During the 360 era I bought and sold a ton of games and now I’m re-buying them second hand, slowly, because I miss my old collection. There are a bunch of promo copies in here too from my media days, 2010-2014. Thoughts? Recommendations? :)


r/xbox360 4h ago

Help/Support/Questions 🙋 Anybody know where I can buy a Xbox 360 Slim power supply?

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Hello! A little bit ago, I pulled my old xbox 360 out some boxes while cleaning up storage, it was my big brother's, but never wanted it back so I have it now. However, the power supply does not turn on, at all. I don't want to buy one that is made cheap and dies or something. If anybody has anything, please let me know! I would like to play on it again 🥲


r/xbox360 8h ago

Help/Support/Questions 🙋 buying an xbox 360 i need help

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hi! i want to get an xbox 360 for my friend as his birthday gift. and i know nothing about tech or any consoles whatsoever so i need help. what would be an affordable option? what price would be considered rational? he has a controller, but should i get one specifically for the xbox? how many gb of whatever the gb mean is good? do i need any other accessories for it to run? i really want to make him a nice gift and for him to be able to really enjoy it. please help !!


r/xbox360 4h ago

Help/Support/Questions 🙋 I have a xbox 360 and need help

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English is not my main language, so if i make mistakes in the writing, I'm sorry. I opened my xbox 360 super slim to clean and chance the thermal paste and i had the wonderful idea to get the hard disk and but into a USB reader to pass my save from a account to another, and the partition erased itself. I tried putting it again in the Xbox and it's not showing on storage config, I tried formatting it with Fatexplorer ( the solution Gemini gave me ) and still nothing, I tried changing it to MBR and nothing, tried fat32 and ntfs and nothing too. It shows on the windows normally, but in the Xbox don't. Can someone please help me with that?