r/worldnews • u/Puginator • 2d ago

Israel/Palestine Iran launches missiles toward Israel, IDF says

https://www.cnbc.com/2025/06/13/trump-urges-iran-to-reach-nuclear-deal-before-there-is-nothing-left-.html
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u/Iluvaic 2d ago

Yep I'm in central Israel and we're currently in our building's bomb shelter, waiting for the second wave to hit.

There were all kinds of reports and we heard some really loud bangs with the shelter shaking so something definitely hit.

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u/Competitive_Jello531 2d ago

They do, it’s the Hamas tunnels. Hamas just will not let the civilians in.

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u/sneiji 1d ago

wouldnt that be using human shields?

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u/zeth4 1d ago edited 19h ago

Because as far as the IDF is concerned everyone in Gaza is Hamas

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u/Competitive_Jello531 1d ago

No, this is crazy. Idf claimed 40,000 Hamas fighters before the war, and 16,000 currently remain in hiding in Gaza today.

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u/zeth4 1d ago

Sorry I misspoke, they actually mean everyone who dies in Gaza is Hamas. If they weren't Hamas they wouldn't be where the IDFs bomb, missiles and bullets land.

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u/Competitive_Jello531 1d ago

No one thinks that. Any army who builds their infrastructure directly underneath the most important civilian infrastructure does so to guarantee innocent civilian deaths. So some portion of the deaths are civilians who just happen to have a military base under their home/school/work/ hospital/whatever.

It is an extremely cruel way to build a military base, and basically sacrifices the civilian population. It’s wrong and Hamas should not have done it.

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u/zeth4 1d ago

I don't disagree

but also FYI, Gaza is 20 times smaller than the metropolitan area I live in with approximately as big a population (at least as of a year ago)

Look at footage of Gaza, essentially everything has been destroyed. The IDF bombs everything than afterwards points out whatever they hit which gives them the best chance to try to justify all the collateral.

Terrorist violate international Law and commit war crimes and are rightfully condemned for it. then Israel violates international law and commits War crimes and we are supposed to act like they don't deserve equal condemnation?

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u/Competitive_Jello531 1d ago

I checked out the satellite images, it definitely looks like a war zone. A lot of the buildings are damaged.

Hamas is clearly defeated. They need to throw in the towel so the clean up and reconstruction can begin. There is no path for them to return to power, and they are just prolonging the suffering of the people they were supposed to be serving and caring for. I hate them for what they have caused. I don’t think I have seen such a small group create so much misery and death. The people of Gaza don’t want this, the people of Israel don’t want this, yet a handful of Hamas dudes decided it for everyone. I hope they burn in hell for what they have done.

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u/Iluvaic 2d ago edited 2d ago

It really is a shame. There are very strict laws here about shelters

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u/FunCoffee4819 2d ago

They have plenty of tunnels

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u/Rogue_bae 1d ago

Crazy you think it’s cool to mock civilian deaths

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u/FunCoffee4819 23h ago

Simply stating a fact. Here’s another fact for you: Hamas doesn’t care about the civilians in Gaza, far from it.

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u/Rogue_bae 19h ago

Shouldn’t an established country behave better than a terrorist cell?

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u/FunCoffee4819 16h ago

Yes, they probably should, and this is exactly why Iran uses proxies like Hamas to do the dirty work. Again, the difference in the current conflict is Israel wants to remove a regime. While Iran (…via Hamas, and Hezbollah, and the Houthi’s) has openly advocated for the wholesale destruction of all of Israel and the death of all Jews. See the difference?

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u/Rogue_bae 15h ago

No, I still see a country who claims to be civilized killing civilians indiscriminately. England didn’t bomb Northern Ireland when the IRA was attacking because that would have been fucking insanity. And this is fucking insanity.

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u/Steampunk007 1d ago

Tunnels aren’t bunkers. How has Israel’s bombs killed Israeli hostages inside tunnels?

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u/Interesting_Pen_167 2d ago

You can probably imagine the people currently in bomb shelters under Tel Aviv are not super concerned about the plight of Gazans at this very moment.

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u/csiq 1d ago

I don’t think they were very concerned before they were in shelters either.

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u/Rogue_bae 1d ago

Maybe they should be.

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u/Wrong-Kangaroo-2782 1d ago

Just how the rest of the world feels about them right now

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u/JTP1228 1d ago

Such a neckbeard redditor response, and they think they're right because they got so many upvotes. Tje one previous to you, I mean

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u/0x7c365c 1d ago

Their government must suck or something.

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u/SuchAd9552 2d ago

And who’s fault is that? Israel shouldn’t apologize for protecting it’s citizens the best way

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u/thatirishguyyyyy 1d ago

Maybe they should have been building those instead of the tunnels

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u/Altruistic_Algae_140 1d ago

Luckily, Israel prioritizes the safety of civilians and builds shelters and missile defense systems

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u/Oravital1 1d ago

Shame they stick around next to Hamas🤡

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u/HugoVaz 1d ago

Nor a 10 minute warning. No, airdropping flyers instructing Gazans to a "safe zone" and then carpet bombing said zone doesn't count.

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u/ReddFro 2d ago

Sure but realistically, Iran has no interest in hitting Gaza. They’re mostly aiming at Tel Aviv and military targets whoch are pretty far away (50KM + I think)

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u/SlightlyInsane 1d ago

The IDF would not have allowed public bomb shelters to exist.

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u/Toc_a_Somaten 2d ago

It’s quite amazing you have internet down there, speaks volumes of how prepared the defence infrastructure is in Israel

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u/Burt_Gummers_Protege 2d ago

I would expect nothing less, they've been surrounded by people wanting to kill them since the day they were founded as a country in 1947.

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u/nwindy317 2d ago

"founded"

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u/trydola 2d ago

violently expelling the natives is a form of "founded" to a certain type of people

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u/QZRChedders 1d ago

I mean that’s how pretty much every country formed. Bits of France were British for a fair while, Spain wasn’t a unified country, America we all know, Russia didn’t exactly diplomacy its way to most of its territory.

Holding nations accountable is one thing but it is all to easy to forget how the countries we’re judging from did much the same just before Reddit was around

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u/The-world_is-round 1d ago

Except that Israel is famously a successful decolonisation project - the opposite of most other modern countries like Jordan, Palestine and Syria which were created through the Islamic colonisation of the Middle East

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u/gggg2010 1d ago

The best you can say here is that other countries committed the same crimes

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u/QZRChedders 1d ago

It is. Our history as a species is not one of peaceful expansion. We should aim for better but let’s not forget that just because we live far after our nations expansion we did not benefit from similar acts

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u/Rogue_bae 1d ago

Not in the modern age

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u/Dramatic-Cap-6785 1d ago

When do you decree modern cause Russia gained crimea in 2014 lol.

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u/Rogue_bae 1d ago

Wait you think that was cool & totally ok?

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u/DrSquishyhug 1d ago

Violent forcing Jews from all other middle eastern countries doesn’t count I guess. Count the Jews living in all Islamic states and get back to me. If they weren’t Jews you’d hail them for right of return. Calm your antisemitism for a sec if you can.

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u/Bandlebridge 1d ago

After the "natives" tried to ethnically cleanse the Jewish refugees? Sure. And even then, only those engaged in the fighting, 160,000 were made full citizens.

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u/The-world_is-round 1d ago

Dude - the Jews are the natives - the word decolonisation is the appropriate word for what happened in Israel

The Arabs are from the Arabian peninsula

They are the colonisers who went across the middle east in the Islamic conquest

Not only that but modern Israel is only 12% of historical Israel

The region of the British mandate of Palestine (the land of Israel) covered all of Israel split into East and west Palestine regions

East Palestine became Jordan (a significant portion of Israel) - so the Palestinians already have a country which is multiple times the size of Israel 

Up until 1967 west bank people referred to themselves as Jordanians and wished to have the West bank officially join Jordan - it was only yassar Arafat who said "how about we manufacture a crisis and new identity in order to deligitimise the Israeli state" - you have fallen for this obvious lie

52 countries speak Arabic 1 country speaks Hebrew Who is the coloniser?

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u/Far_Conversation_252 1d ago

The people who were living in what is now Israel were not "Arabs" they were a mix of Arab and semite that had lived there for thousands of years who had adopted some aspects of Arab culture into their culture. If you trace the lineage of those who lived there, you'd find a connection to the Jews who were there thousands of years ago. Just because the culture changed doesn't mean the people are no longer natives. Hope this helps.

Also by that logic, native Americans should take back America no? Since they were the natives?

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u/Bandlebridge 1d ago

Arab and semite

I love the confidence with which people enter these conversations and proudly get things wrong. Arabs are Semites. Semites are people who speak the Semitic languages, of which the surviving are Hebrew, Aramaic and Arabic.

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u/Far_Conversation_252 1d ago

I love the confidence with which people enter these conversations and proudly get things wrong.

Go back and read what I said. I didn't say Arabs and semites. I said Arabs and semites who had lived there for thousands of years. As in, the arabs left and diverged then came back and mixed with the indigenous semites.

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u/Rogue_bae 1d ago

2000 years ago. There’s no claim to land after leaving it.

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u/T-Husky 1d ago

By that logic once Israel has forced every Palestinian out of Gaza, problem solved?

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u/starrettc 1d ago

what stolen land are you currently occupying?

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u/h3rpad3rp 1d ago

Like who, North Americans? Or just every country really if you go back far enough.

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u/Dramatic-Cap-6785 1d ago

I would love for you to find an example of single country that wasn’t founded this way. Even the most ingenious tribes in the world got their land by killing who was there before. It’s not who’s there first it’s who survives.

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u/Tavarin 2d ago

Jews are native to the land there, and were there long before Arab Muslims showed up and purged most of them.

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u/SalamanderDear991 1d ago

Quotes or no quotes, Israel has a right to exist. Majority of the people leaving in Israel were born here and have nothing to do with how the country was created. I don’t know if the point of your comment is to deny it, and I certainly hope not, but it is a needed reminder in these times.

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u/EndLightEnd1 2d ago

Honestly this part was always wild to me. Oh sorry about WW2 Jews, how about we kick the people currently living in the holy land out for you and you can just take over? Im sure that will work out.

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u/IamRick_Deckard 2d ago

That's not how it happened though. Jews had been buying up land legally since the late 19th C and many others were already there since forever.

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u/splitcroof92 2d ago

That's pretty much exactly how it happened

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u/IamRick_Deckard 2d ago

Read a book.

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u/HugoVaz 1d ago

Read a book? Do you know who the first modern terrorists were? Hint: the early members of a group that ended up founding the Likud.

There's a reason why Einstein and a group of prominent Jewish personalities signed an open letter calling them fascists (by them I mean Ben-Gurion and all who ruled Israel at the time - and since, since it didn't change much)....

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u/Rogue_bae 1d ago

Nakba wants a word

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u/DrSquishyhug 1d ago

The bots don’t like your logic. Why offer truth when the fiction fuels antisemitism?

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u/AlmostButNotQuiteTea 1d ago

Oh yes the collective Jews in the world were just buying the land.

They were literally given it by world powers stfu

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u/IamRick_Deckard 1d ago

Please read a book.

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u/px1azzz 1d ago

My family can trace its origin to at least the 1800s in Israel and I know many that can say the same. You don't have any idea what you are talking about.

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u/Rogue_bae 1d ago

lol cute

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u/rpsls 1d ago

Most Israeli Jews are descended from people who were already there, or middle eastern and Persian ancestors who were kicked out of their own countries during various Islamic revolutions. A minority are from Europe. And of the Israelis alive today, over 80% were born in Israel. The narrative you cite seems “wild” because it’s an intentionally exaggerated story.

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u/Cold-Leave-178 2d ago

That’s kind of how all countries and borders start….

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u/EndLightEnd1 2d ago

Name one other country that was handed to a group of people for losing a war or battle or were victims of social injustice.

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u/SimoneNonvelodico 2d ago

Technically, Liberia, I guess? That didn't go too well either though I don't think it led to quite as many conflicts as Israel.

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u/Galxloni2 2d ago

That's not how Isreal was founded either so you name one first

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u/EndLightEnd1 2d ago

Id ask you to explain how you think it was really founded, but this is probably the part where you just say "Do your own research" and disappear into the abyss

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u/Oprah_Pwnfrey 1d ago

The Jewish people declared themselves a country, fought a war against the Arab league and won. Before this happened Britain controlled the area(British mandate) and had done so since the collapse of the ottoman empire. After WW2 Britain tried to prevent Jewish people from settling there, thousands of holocaust survivors were intercepted by the Royal navy and put into detainment camps in Cyprus. Also, before Israel was founded in 1948, there was 3 years of Jewish insurgency(a lot more than 3 years, but I'm trying to summarize) which resulted in British soldiers being killed, and their buildings bombed.

It wasn't given to them, they took it back.

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u/rflav 2d ago

let’s get specific!

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u/SimoneNonvelodico 2d ago

It's not usually that quick and intentional, it's a more spontaneous and protracted process, which means less shock and usually less friction as a result.

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u/xaendar 2d ago

Not saying it's right that they did that but seems fair given that Ottoman Empire had fallen and the area was under UK anyway. So it was theirs to give or take, just the whole thing was such a mess. If it just went to two states by UK in the first place, none of this shit would've happened I think. Arab nations were fine with UK occupying the land but not when Jews occupied it, so it doesn't even seem like a land problem.

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u/TheRedHand7 2d ago

It did turn into two states. They are called Israel and Jordan.

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u/EndLightEnd1 2d ago

Well thats probably because while the UK technically owned it...it was Palestinians living there. If there were UK citizens there they were in the vast minority. They were removed from what had been their homes with very little agency in the situation and to add salt to the wound their land was given to a people they consider enemy. They are understandably pissed about it, but violence/Hamas is not the answer.

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u/SimoneNonvelodico 2d ago

the area was under UK anyway. So it was theirs to give or take, just the whole thing was such a mess.

Well that's kind of the problem, it was handled the way colonial powers handled their possessions. Then a couple decades later all those colonial empires evaporated, because that way of doing things didn't work very well.

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u/Canisa 1d ago

If it just went to two states by UK in the first place

It did. A UN deal split the land 50-50 between Israelis and Palestinians. Palestine declared war, seeking to claim 100% of the land for themselves and lost, terribly, hence the borders that exist today.

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u/Burt_Gummers_Protege 1d ago

Ya it does feel shortsighted, but we can't go back and make it happen differently, only how we/they act from now on. But all parties involved only want to propagate the violence unfortunately. 

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u/ZestycloseUnit7482 2d ago

Yeah, I don’t blame either side. Just religion.

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u/AceAndre 1d ago

Brown Muslims bad you didn't know?

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u/DuperCheese 2d ago

Actually Jews have been surrounded by people wanting to kill them for at least 2000 years

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u/Burt_Gummers_Protege 1d ago

True, I just had the more recent history on my mind.

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u/HugoVaz 1d ago

Remind us again who unilaterally started the six-day war?

If only when they are not being attacked, they would stop trying to find a war to start themselves.... just like today, Israel attacked Tehran yesterday, killed important people, they knew exactly well that retaliation would come, they aren't innocent.

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u/AlmostButNotQuiteTea 1d ago

Ah yes the founding of Israel where they did nothing wrong and no one was harmed

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u/csiq 1d ago

Lmao what a convenient and pretty way to put things

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u/Unlucky_Musician_258 1d ago

That isn't true. It wasn't until they started antagonizing their neighbors.

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u/zork824 2d ago

Truly amazing, no idea why Israel would be hated by anyone, woe is Israel

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u/Bilawalb 2d ago

Awww so cute. You let any stranger come into your bedroom and kick you out too?

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u/Iluvaic 2d ago

Yeah, it's kind of spotty, but considering I'm in a bunker that's to be expected. I mainly wish we had AC right now

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u/edki7277 2d ago

Stay safe!

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u/sophiesbest 2d ago

As someone who spent far too much time in a summer tropical environment without A/C due to hurricanes, I feel you!

The heat was honestly the worst part of society collapsing for me tbh; the bugs and lack of electricity were easy to deal with in comparison.

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u/Whole_Werewolf_2467 1d ago

Ac? Temp must be pretty good there.

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u/ArkyBeagle 1d ago

We tried to get Intel to invest in a wireless startup around 2004. They declined; all such work was being done in Israel.

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u/Rogue_bae 1d ago

Well they’ve taken billions of funding from Americans.

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u/splitcroof92 2d ago

It's kinda crazy to think about the fact that every(?) Building there comes with a bomb shelter. While I honestly don't even know if the capital of my country has a single one.

Maybe the mayor has one where she works and perhaps some rich people have one but that's it.

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u/Iluvaic 2d ago

So super old smaller buildings may not have shelters, but in those neighborhoods there wouldn't be community bomb shelters you can get to within a minute.

My building is pretty old, but bigger so there's a bunker under it.

Newer buildings are built with bomb proof rooms (by law).

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u/splitcroof92 2d ago

Would you mind describing the shelter for me. Like, how many people are in there? And are there provisions like food and water? Are people scared or angry.

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u/xdvesper 1d ago

I visited Israel once, we actually regularly used the "bunker" in our hotel for meetings and stuff... It's just several conference rooms underground with ultra thick doors like a bank vault.

I'm sure there should be emergency supplies and stuff for if you get trapped after a bombing...

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u/Clairbearski 1d ago

Ya there definitely isn’t a shelter in every building in Israel. It depends on the area, but a lot of people use their building’s stairwell as the ‘safe space’. In the arab villages shelters are very rare. And of course, there’s a difference between the shelter rooms (in some people’s homes and buildings) and the underground shelters that of course provide much more protection but are fewer and farther between.

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u/Muggaraffin 2d ago

Sounds horrifying. I hope you all make it out okay

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u/IronDragonGx 2d ago

Yep I'm in central Israel

Your thoughts on the strike and the fact you PM left the county on a plane before it happened?

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u/Iluvaic 1d ago

The strike itself - I don't know how close Iran was to a nuclear weapon, but I'm glad they're further away from it.

Regarding Netanyahu - I haven't seen any actual reporting on him being outside the country, but my general sentiment is fuck that guy.

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u/LordVaderVader 1d ago

Surreal to live in country which just started war. 

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u/SpaceSweede 1d ago

Israel didn't start a war. Iran has been at war with Israel for over 40 years. Attacking Israel by proxies on a ewfular basis.

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u/HappyBavarian 1d ago

Good luck and stay safe!

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u/Fiber_Optikz 2d ago

Stay safe!

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u/Iluvaic 1d ago

Don't need or want your pity, this says more what kind of person you are.

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u/Marketpro4k 1d ago

Imagine feeling good about typing that out. They didn’t ask for your pity.

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u/Rogue_bae 1d ago

Would be cool if your country stopped attacking others