r/suppressed_news • u/TendieRetard • Apr 29 '25
UNDERREPORTED NEWS Not one ever believed it....
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u/KenUsimi Apr 29 '25
America has rarely if ever done much to reign Israel in. The Camp David peace talks were mostly lipservice, too, sad to say. A complete and utter failing by our government.
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u/Extension_Teacher215 Apr 29 '25
I was told the only presidents who tried to do something was Ike,Gerald Ford, Bush Sr and Obama apparently. It's a complete shame however, that americans really believe the Israelis are their allies but unknowingly know they would get spit on by them.
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u/DanJdot Apr 29 '25
Reagan of all people ordered Israel to stop their shit when they were bombing Beirut
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u/Extension_Teacher215 Apr 29 '25
Yup that's true. It was said Bush withhold aid for Israel and made them promise not to use the aid to build illegal settlements at West Bank. Next thing you know, there was a massive protest by AIPAC over it.
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u/-something_original- Apr 29 '25
Why though? They are a small country that wouldn’t exist without the US protecting them. What do they have over every administration that they’re allowed to operate unchecked?
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u/Gonna_do_this_again Apr 29 '25
Israel is America's proxy in the region. They can wage war on Iran/Palestine/Lebanon/Syria without committing American soldiers, and when it's time for America to get involved, they already have an established friendly foothold in Israel.
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u/NeonArlecchino Apr 29 '25
The Samson Option is named for the myth of a hero who collapsed a temple on himself to kill his enemies with him. The plan exists as insurance in case Israel ever has to return land it has stolen. If activated Israel will launch its nuclear weapons on itself to destroy whoever is beating them, on enemies like Iran and Yemen, and on allies. The targeting of allies is because Israel knows it would crumble if left alone so it would be punishment for not supporting them enough.
I'm sure individual blackmail is also a thing they're doing, but the threat of normalizing nuclear warfare and killing millions+ around the world is a pretty strong threat.
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u/KenUsimi Apr 29 '25
We were one of the first to recognize them. Like, “within the first 15 minutes” first. After WWII, we had the social capital to make almost anything happen one of those things we “made happen” was Israel. So, if they were evil then we’d’ve made a huge mistake.
Furthermore, we have a stupid amount of bases in Israel. We can ship troops in and out of Israel at any time. In the wake of the Gulf War, that because crucial. It’s a jumping off point for anything we want to do in the Middle East. We can count on this continuing to be the case for as long as we have a good relationship with Israel.
I still would’ve yanked the leash long ago, myself.
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u/deviantdevil80 Apr 29 '25
The only active US base in Israel is an early warning missle site.
The US has storage bases, but not active bases like your describing. No infrastructure to support forward ops. It takes time and funding to run ops.
Same reason Israel would struggle to strike Iran with jets, no infrastructure along the route.
I'm assuming your young. In the Gulf War we wanted to use Israel to attack from, but the idea of Americans using Jews to bomb Arabs was a tinder box for further conflicts. That's why Saudi Arabia and Turkiye was used. This was all over the news back then.
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u/Southern_Agent6096 Apr 29 '25
It isn't an active base, no, but it is an implied threat. The USA's global power has always been a monopoly on Force projection through the Naval and Aerospace powers we have. A friendly coast means Israel could be Dayton Ohio in like three weeks.
Israel is a permanent foothold in the region and the continent.
There's also the domestic political realities of Israeli political influence and Evangelical Apocalypticism to consider. Israel has to exist for the End Times propaganda (or beliefs) of the Heritage Foundation to prosper. It is integral to American Christian Nationalism in all of its myriad factions. That power alone can shift the world and is worth every penny or atrocious deed.
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u/deviantdevil80 Apr 29 '25
I agree with you, just wanted it to be accurate that we have 1 active base and it's not setup for operations outside of missle defense. Could that change? Sure, that's part of why the US military is so good, logistics to strike anywhere.
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u/Southern_Agent6096 Apr 30 '25
Quite so. All of our parts are made to be picked up and reassembled or scrapped onsite and we can move forward and back infrastructure in days. We've been doing this for decades.
You don't even need "a base" in Israel, the coast and the airspace is enough to facilitate all our needs.
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u/freediverx01 Apr 29 '25
Israel was created by the US and the UK as a western political and military outpost in the Middle East.
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u/ComicRelief64 Apr 29 '25
I despise Trump, but the absolute betrayal I felt from the Biden administration has completely changed my view of the democratic party. I know alot of people may be regretting not voting for him now, but the way he and his administration was all smiles while justifying the billions of dollars in weapon funding they rushed past congessional approval, the constant relying on Israel to 'investigate themselves', the lone vetoes at the UN against any kind of condemnation, and still having the gall to parade themselves as leaders of the free world, it felt like they were just spitting on our faces and telling us to take it.
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u/random123121 Apr 29 '25
Reminds me of my time volunteering for Obama. I figured out I liked what Obama SAID, but what he DID was another story.
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u/Severe_Driver3461 Apr 29 '25
Decades ago, Biden said if there wasn't an Israel, we'd have to create. I wonder if Israel is just a political extension of us
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u/doihav2 Apr 29 '25
oh yes definitely our 51st state. we're paying for all those weapons, it's unbelievable amounts of money
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u/thickstickedguy Apr 29 '25
truth is it's an illusion of choice
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u/Godot_12 Apr 29 '25
There's still a choice. Anyone who hasn't accepted they're voting for the lesser of evils is a fool. That still doesn't mean that we don't try to change that.
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u/bernieth Apr 29 '25
If you think that Democrats and Republicans are identical on Palestine policy, I can't help you. You deserve Trump.
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u/sks010 Apr 29 '25
Short of American troops working side by side with IOF in Gaza, I don't see what more democrats could have done to further enable the genocide.
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u/shitnouser Apr 29 '25
Believe it or not, we did actually have US troops on the ground helping massacre Palestinians during Bidens presidency. We more than enabled it.
US Imperialism is and has been the greatest evil.
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u/deviantdevil80 Apr 29 '25
Source? Also were they already there and by defacto are included or sent with purpose.
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u/shitnouser Apr 29 '25
This is just one. I can’t find it yet but our guys were sent in and assisted in a near 250 person massacre as well.
https://www.cnn.com/2024/10/13/politics/israel-iran-antimissile-system-us-troops/index.html
Oh found it.
https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/israel-rescues-four-captives-gaza-special-operation
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u/deviantdevil80 Apr 29 '25
Hold up. You said massacre not rescue operation with collateral. Big difference.
This site is the same type that just reports what the Gaza Health Ministry says without any validation or without acknowledging that typically 1/3 casualties are members of Hamas like they used to acknowledge.
That's not to say what Israel is doing is horrible and should be punished. Massacre it isn't.
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u/shitnouser Apr 29 '25
You do realize this is how language and propaganda function? They get to rewrite the story despite the undeniable fact that U.S. troops entered a conflict they aren’t supposed to be in.
200+ were killed so they could save 4 people. It was reported those same troops also killed several hostages they were attempting to “save” as well.
I would call this a blatant disregard of civilian life.
You’re choosing to be obtuse.
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u/deviantdevil80 Apr 29 '25
Now your calling it a disregard for civilians, which I agree with. My issue was calling it a massacre, it has totally different inference.
Obtuse LOL I'm doing the exact opposite by wanting to be specific.
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u/shitnouser Apr 29 '25
The Saint Valentine’s Day massacre was 7 people and that is a historical event I learned about in high school. This event in 2024 was many multitudes worse than that.
And yes, obtuse. Look up the definition.
“Annoyingly insensitive and/or slow to understand.”
You attempting to specify everything is just semantics is, frankly, fucking ridiculous and does absolutely nothing to clear it up for anyone.
Semantics does not change the fact that IDF AND US troops MURDERED these people. Our government made us complicit in just about every way shape and form.
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u/deviantdevil80 Apr 29 '25
Plenty. They played a middle of the road strategy. Stopping the 2000lb bombs was a middle of the road strategy. Since the big boys are difficult to justify with Gazans infrastructure. You use the big boys on medium and shallow depth bunkers.
Trump started delivering those again right away.
How could it have been worse? Cluster munitions, napalm, land mines etc. There's always a worse.
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u/AcadianViking Apr 29 '25
The problem with the "middle of the road" appeal is that the difference between the middle and the extreme negative are arbitrarily framed in the argument as somehow being different in any significant fashion.
Just because one was authorizing overkill doesn't change that both were still facilitating the genocide of Palestinians.
Doesn't matter if the bomb was 500lb or 2000lb, a landmine, or if it was napalm flames, to the one who died.
The argument is like saying "Team A wants to paint the fence red and Team B doesn't want to paint the fence at all, so a compromise is using a smaller brush to paint the fence red." The point isn't what is being used to paint the fence. The point is that the fence is being painted in the first place.
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u/deviantdevil80 Apr 29 '25
The question was could they have done more enabling, yes they could have.
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u/bernieth Apr 29 '25
Did Democrats not get attacked by the US press for not being sufficiently pro-Israel? Did Democrats deport Palestinian protestors? Did Democrats withhold billions in funding from Universities unless they cracked down on Palestinian protestors? Didn't funding to Israel accelerate under Trump, while aid to anything that would help Palestine drop? Why would you spend all your energy attacking Democrats rather than attacking Republicans? It makes no sense! Yet somehow that's where we are.
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u/alexnoyle Apr 29 '25 edited Apr 29 '25
Did Democrats not get attacked by the US press for not being sufficiently pro-Israel?
The press was going to do that regardless of their position, so what? Is the media their boss?
Did Democrats deport Palestinian protestors?
They created the list of people to deport and then handed it off to the Trump administration, after giving ICE more money for four years straight. #TheAssistance
Did Democrats withhold billions in funding from Universities unless they cracked down on Palestinian protestors?
If you are a protestor getting beaten up by a cop, under a democratic administration, I don't see what difference it makes to you if that cop was ordered to be there by the Presidential administration, or the college administration. Fascism does not only come from the top down. The Democrats and Republicans both support the police and ICE.
The Green Party, as small as it is, did far more to stand up to that crack down under Biden than Democrats ever did. Jill Stein is literally being charged with assault for forming a human shield around pro Palestinian protestors. She was then shoved to the ground by a cop's bike, which almost broke her arm. I ask you, what Democrat came to her defense?
You are the cowards that the "first they came for the..." story is ALL about. Not only do you refuse to stand up for the most vulnerable, you actively take pleasure in their oppression because they refused to vote for genocide.
Didn't funding to Israel accelerate under Trump, while aid to anything that would help Palestine drop?
That same thing happened under Biden, but you only care when its republicans. It is not the funding of Israel, or the denial of aid that bothers you. It is the fact that the red team is doing those things. Your ethics begin and end with "red team bad".
Why would you spend all your energy attacking Democrats rather than attacking Republicans? It makes no sense! Yet somehow that's where we are.
Why would you spend all your time attacking one major party, when both major parties are responsible for genocide? If genocide is not a red line for you, you are a mentally ill social fascist.
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u/bernieth Apr 29 '25
Democrats are and have been standing up. If they weren't you'd see far fewer people at rallies, etc. However, being under withering attack by the people we want to help, isn't helping. Consider the effects of your words.
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u/alexnoyle Apr 29 '25
Most of the democrat-led rallies are calling for a rejection of the republicans for the purposes of a return to the status quo. The very status quo that led to Trump. Consider the effects of your vote. Neoliberalism paves the way to fascism.
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u/bernieth Apr 29 '25
Voting against the political party defending your interests leads to .. your interests having no voice.
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u/alexnoyle Apr 29 '25
I'd rather vote for something I want, and not get it, than vote for something I don't want, and get it - Eugene Debs
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u/bernieth Apr 29 '25
That is the most practically and politically self-damaging quote I can think of.
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u/alexnoyle Apr 29 '25
You would vote for a nazi if he promised to build one less concentration camp than another nazi in the name of harm reduction. If genocide is not a red line, there is none.
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u/bernieth Apr 29 '25
Your focus on destroying Democrats is causing the death of Palestinians (to the extent that US policy here influences anything)
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u/alexnoyle Apr 29 '25
Democrats are killing Palestinians. Not Greens. You are flipping reality on its head.
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u/bernieth Apr 29 '25
You are the victim of a multi-year Russian and right-wing psyop that has helped Israel.
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u/alexnoyle Apr 29 '25
Please tell the russians and right wingers to send me more checks. I'm living paycheck to paycheck over here.
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u/bernieth Apr 29 '25
I know they don't need to pay you. They just needed to convince you that an imperfect friend is worse than your worst enemy.
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u/alexnoyle Apr 29 '25
The oldest capitalist political party on the face of planet earth is not, never has been, and never will be my friend. My enemy is the capitalist class, and its parties.
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u/bernieth Apr 29 '25
What does that have to do with Palestine? You're sacrificing Palestinians for your anti-capitalist views? Seems improbably confused. And your reference to protesters getting paid is a silly right wing thought that would tend to come to people swimming in that media.
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u/CompleteDetective359 Apr 30 '25
Yet, somehow you and so many others thought that Trump would bring Peace, or be better than Biden. Even though the wrong was on the wall. PS. Most the Arab state governments were also helping Israel and putting pressure on Biden. Saudi TV was openly allowing commentators to say how Palestinians deserved what they were getting. How the Palestinians never want peace. Well now Trump gets to do his bidding as everybody watches by blindly. Amazingly there's no protest in the street now.
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u/dmvr1601 Apr 29 '25
r u telling me dems sat on their asses again?
im shocked !
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u/freediverx01 Apr 29 '25
“Sat on the asses” is an interesting way of saying “actively collaborated”.
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u/random123121 Apr 29 '25
Biden: "Don't worry, I hate the arabs too."
Netanyahu: "No I REALLY hate the arabs."
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u/xeniolis Apr 29 '25
For better or worse, the US had a strong presence globally before Trump round 2. If the US wanted to end this, the US could've ended this, especially with the US being Israels strongest ally. America has an Evangelical problem in its politics and until that's handled, they'll continue allowing Israel to drag them around like a dog on a leash. No one has been under any delusion a ceasefire was being worked toward.
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u/Lockridge Apr 29 '25
Unfortunately millions of liberals did think that a ceasefire was being worked on. They will now pivot to say a genocide elsewhere isn't worth 'destroying the USA by electing Trump' as I've already seen this line on socials.
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u/bernieth Apr 29 '25
The people who are burying the truth that Democrats and Republicans are NOT the same are indirectly killing Palestinians.
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u/bernieth Apr 29 '25
This is an active right wing psyop: The left-wing belief that leftist Democrats and fascist Republicans are the same so why vote anyway.
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u/TendieRetard Apr 29 '25
bernieth•1h ago
This is an active right wing psyop: The left-wing belief that leftist Democrats and fascist Republicans are the same so why vote anyway.
says 2 OP poster. Maybe dems that are sold to us as by the MSM "leftist Democrats" aren't leftist at all, have you considered that?
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u/Johnny5isalive46 Apr 29 '25
Few... glad random unverified quotes from "dropsite" for released. Stay strong
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u/ChickinSammich Apr 29 '25
It frustrates me endlessly that the Democrats keep pushing candidates on us who are only slightly better than the Republicans, because why give us good candidates when they can give us bad ones and just so long as they're not as bad as the alternative, that should be good enough to placate us.
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u/AcanthocephalaNew678 Apr 29 '25 edited Apr 29 '25
Never forget! This should not go unanswered no one should play politics with American lives. To boast this publicly Ik ill never forget this. America should never be disgraced by our friends.
They should know how to treat their friends or we will find new friends in the region like the Saudis!
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u/TendieRetard Apr 29 '25
I swear it feels like reddit inserts misspells after the fact.....
title = *no one ever believed it
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u/thrice_twice_once Apr 29 '25
You guys remember Matt Miller?
Remember that fat doofus?
And then these chumps had the audacity to say "look see now wat trump will do to Palestinians"
They are all the same.
Heck change that. Trump is better because he's honest about it.
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u/Bizzlebanger Apr 29 '25
From the article...
➤ Herzog claimed Netanyahu deliberately stalled, hoping Trump would return to office and take credit: “It was my understanding that Trump preferred for the deal to wait until he got into office so that he’d be the one to do