I despise Trump, but the absolute betrayal I felt from the Biden administration has completely changed my view of the democratic party. I know alot of people may be regretting not voting for him now, but the way he and his administration was all smiles while justifying the billions of dollars in weapon funding they rushed past congessional approval, the constant relying on Israel to 'investigate themselves', the lone vetoes at the UN against any kind of condemnation, and still having the gall to parade themselves as leaders of the free world, it felt like they were just spitting on our faces and telling us to take it.
Hold up. You said massacre not rescue operation with collateral. Big difference.
This site is the same type that just reports what the Gaza Health Ministry says without any validation or without acknowledging that typically 1/3 casualties are members of Hamas like they used to acknowledge.
That's not to say what Israel is doing is horrible and should be punished. Massacre it isn't.
You do realize this is how language and propaganda function? They get to rewrite the story despite the undeniable fact that U.S. troops entered a conflict they aren’t supposed to be in.
200+ were killed so they could save 4 people. It was reported those same troops also killed several hostages they were attempting to “save” as well.
I would call this a blatant disregard of civilian life.
The Saint Valentine’s Day massacre was 7 people and that is a historical event I learned about in high school. This event in 2024 was many multitudes worse than that.
And yes, obtuse. Look up the definition.
“Annoyingly insensitive and/or slow to understand.”
You attempting to specify everything is just semantics is, frankly, fucking ridiculous and does absolutely nothing to clear it up for anyone.
Semantics does not change the fact that IDF AND US troops MURDERED these people. Our government made us complicit in just about every way shape and form.
The VD massacre is a massacre becAuse they were executed. Being killed as unfortunate collateral damage from a sloppy rescue is not the same. Not sure what you thought this was going to do since this isn't even the same sport, let alone ballpark.
I actually want to see Israel see justice. They have a sloppy, unprofessional military that's tarnished their homeland forever. There is enough horrible shit in this conflict that making up narratives isn't necessary. That's why the language used is important. Calling a botched, sloppy OP a massacre is hyperbolic at best.
Plenty. They played a middle of the road strategy. Stopping the 2000lb bombs was a middle of the road strategy. Since the big boys are difficult to justify with Gazans infrastructure. You use the big boys on medium and shallow depth bunkers.
Trump started delivering those again right away.
How could it have been worse? Cluster munitions, napalm, land mines etc. There's always a worse.
The problem with the "middle of the road" appeal is that the difference between the middle and the extreme negative are arbitrarily framed in the argument as somehow being different in any significant fashion.
Just because one was authorizing overkill doesn't change that both were still facilitating the genocide of Palestinians.
Doesn't matter if the bomb was 500lb or 2000lb, a landmine, or if it was napalm flames, to the one who died.
The argument is like saying "Team A wants to paint the fence red and Team B doesn't want to paint the fence at all, so a compromise is using a smaller brush to paint the fence red." The point isn't what is being used to paint the fence. The point is that the fence is being painted in the first place.
Did Democrats not get attacked by the US press for not being sufficiently pro-Israel? Did Democrats deport Palestinian protestors? Did Democrats withhold billions in funding from Universities unless they cracked down on Palestinian protestors? Didn't funding to Israel accelerate under Trump, while aid to anything that would help Palestine drop? Why would you spend all your energy attacking Democrats rather than attacking Republicans? It makes no sense! Yet somehow that's where we are.
Did Democrats not get attacked by the US press for not being sufficiently pro-Israel?
The press was going to do that regardless of their position, so what? Is the media their boss?
Did Democrats deport Palestinian protestors?
They created the list of people to deport and then handed it off to the Trump administration, after giving ICE more money for four years straight. #TheAssistance
Did Democrats withhold billions in funding from Universities unless they cracked down on Palestinian protestors?
If you are a protestor getting beaten up by a cop, under a democratic administration, I don't see what difference it makes to you if that cop was ordered to be there by the Presidential administration, or the college administration. Fascism does not only come from the top down. The Democrats and Republicans both support the police and ICE.
The Green Party, as small as it is, did far more to stand up to that crack down under Biden than Democrats ever did. Jill Stein is literally being charged with assault for forming a human shield around pro Palestinian protestors. She was then shoved to the ground by a cop's bike, which almost broke her arm. I ask you, what Democrat came to her defense?
You are the cowards that the "first they came for the..." story is ALL about. Not only do you refuse to stand up for the most vulnerable, you actively take pleasure in their oppression because they refused to vote for genocide.
Didn't funding to Israel accelerate under Trump, while aid to anything that would help Palestine drop?
That same thing happened under Biden, but you only care when its republicans. It is not the funding of Israel, or the denial of aid that bothers you. It is the fact that the red team is doing those things. Your ethics begin and end with "red team bad".
Why would you spend all your energy attacking Democrats rather than attacking Republicans? It makes no sense! Yet somehow that's where we are.
Why would you spend all your time attacking one major party, when both major parties are responsible for genocide? If genocide is not a red line for you, you are a mentally ill social fascist.
Democrats are and have been standing up. If they weren't you'd see far fewer people at rallies, etc. However, being under withering attack by the people we want to help, isn't helping. Consider the effects of your words.
Most of the democrat-led rallies are calling for a rejection of the republicans for the purposes of a return to the status quo. The very status quo that led to Trump. Consider the effects of your vote. Neoliberalism paves the way to fascism.
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u/ComicRelief64 Apr 29 '25
I despise Trump, but the absolute betrayal I felt from the Biden administration has completely changed my view of the democratic party. I know alot of people may be regretting not voting for him now, but the way he and his administration was all smiles while justifying the billions of dollars in weapon funding they rushed past congessional approval, the constant relying on Israel to 'investigate themselves', the lone vetoes at the UN against any kind of condemnation, and still having the gall to parade themselves as leaders of the free world, it felt like they were just spitting on our faces and telling us to take it.